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An Indiana Senate committee last week passed a bill that would require trans-vaginal ultrasounds for women seeking abortions — not one, but two of them. Indiana Right to Life legislative director Sue Swayze sees no problem with this. After all, those women got pregnant through their vaginas so what could be wrong about putting something else up there?

But Swayze notes the bill doesn’t specifically require vaginal ultrasounds and says, as a woman, she doesn’t understand the problem with the procedure.

“I got pregnant vaginally. Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn’t be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous.”

Yes, of course. Because consensual sex is just like the government forcing a probe inside your vagina against your wishes and against your doctor’s advice. They’re absolutely identical, with no possible distinctions between them. This is a perfect example of an illogical post hoc rationalization. If you are emotionally invested in a cause, your brain typically acts as a press secretary rather than an objective analyst. And any argument you can seize on that defends your position, no matter how absurd it is, will seem quite convincing to you.

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  1. says

    Right to Life legislative director Sue Swayze sees no problem with this

    Where do they find female quislings like her? It’s amazing that anyone would work against their own self-interest.*

    (* Worth noting whenever someone talks about “enlightened self-interest” you can reply “Every republican woman and Sue Swayze”)

  2. atheist says

    It’s a rationalization, but it is also yet another example of: conservative authoritarians don’t really understand consent. For whatever reason, they seem to make no distinction between an action you consented to and an action you did not consent to.

  3. atheist says

    @Marcus Ranum – February 26, 2013 at 1:42 pm (UTC -5)

    Where do they find female quislings like her? It’s amazing that anyone would work against their own self-interest.*

    People, and even intelligent people, act against their own self interest sometimes.

  4. erichoug says

    The right to life movement starts to make a lot more sense once you understand that the vast majority of them don’t really give a rat’s ass about children, unborn or otherwise.

    The real issue is you are dealing with people who feel women fall into one of three categories: virgins, mothers and whores. If you are a virgin, you don’t need an abortion, If you are a mother, you don’t want an abortion. So, the only people who would be interested in abortions are the whores.

    It doesn’t always line up exactly like that but what they are really up in arms about is their own hatred of women, especially those women with the temerity to have a sex life that involves more than saying no until you get married and then having your lifetime number of bonks equaling the number of children in your mini-van. This is why these same people are so deeply opposed to contraception and sex ed. Because it really isn’t about abortion it is about them controlling your sex life

  5. raven says

    Where do they find female quislings like her? It’s amazing that anyone would work against their own self-interest.*

    Mystery of the universe. Understand that and you understand the Tea Party and why Rome fell.

    In some cases, they buy them I know nothing about Susan Swayze but it is possible she has little talent, needs the money, and lying for jesus is an easy job.

  6. atheist says

    @erichoug – February 26, 2013 at 1:52 pm (UTC -5)

    It doesn’t always line up exactly like that but what they are really up in arms about is their own hatred of women, especially those women with the temerity to have a sex life that involves more than saying no until you get married and then having your lifetime number of bonks equaling the number of children in your mini-van. This is why these same people are so deeply opposed to contraception and sex ed. Because it really isn’t about abortion it is about them controlling your sex life

    WORD!

  7. rowanvt says

    She’s clearly never had a transvaginal ultrasound.

    I have. It HURT. The average penis is not that long, and cannot exert that much pressure, plus it was exceedingly embarrassing to have another person shove that thing around in there.

  8. mvemjsun says

    If they would allow decedent sex education and remove most rules against sex (only require no incest and only consenting adults) then abortion would greatly reduce. But then they would lose their chief brainwashing tool: Forbid natural things so that when people do them anyway their guilt will only be relieved after the give you more of their time, votes, and money.

  9. Jeremy Shaffer says

    It’s a rationalization, but it is also yet another example of: conservative authoritarians don’t really understand consent.

    I don’t think that it’s that they do not understand consent. Instead it’s that, as authoritarians, the concept of consent is a non- issue. You do as the (correct) authorities tell you regardless of your thoughts and/ or desires in the matter.

  10. Pierce R. Butler says

    She can’t tell the difference between a penis and an ultrasound probe?

    This speaks very poorly of Mr. Swayze’s sexual ability.

  11. says

    “I got pregnant vaginally. Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn’t be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous.”

    That last sentence must be self-referential. Maybe this is a “Cretans always lie” kind of thing?

  12. says

    Could someone amend this to require men have anal probes — sorry exams — in order to get Viagra prescriptions?*
    And no, closeted Republican men could not get out of it because they got anally probed last night by some dude named Skeeter in the Kmart restroom.

    * A female legislator introduced this idea about a year ago in the Ohio Senate.

  13. Synfandel says

    It would be nice to see the medical and allied health professions grow a backbone and simply refuse to perform the procedure unless medically warranted.

  14. says

    I would love to see Ms. Swayze’s reaction if she (or her daughter) were required by law to have a TV ultrasound as a legally required part of pre-natal exams.

  15. Rip Steakface says

    I’ve heard ultrasound probes described as “Satan’s long, cold, painful death-cock.” Very different from a plain ol’ penis.

  16. frog says

    I have just had a massive epiphany and realized why right-wingers think women are all stupid and shouldn’t be allowed to talk: the only women they know are ones like Sue Swayze.

  17. says

    Some doctor should offer to let her have one free of charge. Hopefully she;ll take him or her up on the offer. Her tune would likely change after the experience.

  18. Ichthyic says

    Right to Life legislative director Sue Swayze sees no problem with this

    five bucks says if asked, she would also say claims of rape being an issue in the US are “overblown”.

  19. Ichthyic says

    Her tune would likely change after the experience.

    I rather doubt that. authoritarian ideology is rarely put off by something looked on as a “minor discomfort”.

    there are MORALS at stake!!!eleventy!

    all to save teh fetuses, you see.

  20. Ichthyic says

    I have just had a massive epiphany and realized why right-wingers think women are all stupid and shouldn’t be allowed to talk: the only women they know are ones like Sue Swayze.

    catch 22.

  21. Ichthyic says

    Could someone amend this to require men have anal probes — sorry exams — in order to get Viagra prescriptions?*

    now THAT would have an effect on whether Sue Swayze sees a problem with forced transvaginal ultrasounds.

    no, that is not a typo.

  22. says

    Oh, sure, you pretend to be all mad about this, but if they added Harry Potter, you’d be all gaga over it!*
     
    fifthdentist “Could someone amend this to require men have anal probes — sorry exams — in order to get Viagra prescriptions?”
    Now you’re just being ridiculous. Those are totally unrelated passages. Think urethral sound.
     

    * “Uterus Inspecto!”

  23. zmidponk says

    I got pregnant vaginally. Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn’t be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous.

    Maybe if I fixed this to be accurate, she might see the problem:

    I got pregnant vaginally. Something else could be thrust into my vagina whether I wanted it there or not for a totally unnecessary medical test that is only being carried out because some people think that the contents of my vagina and womb are not a private matter to me, but the business of the government.

  24. baal says

    The religious right is all about controlling women but they also do care about creating as many concepti as possible.

    If you find one of them IRL, you can blow their minds by suggesting to them that they should support increased food stamps as more poor women will have babies on their own if they have enough food to do so.*

    *fwiw, I find the argument wrongful and offensive but if you can tolerate the recitation, you can create a ton of cognitive dissonance in the RWA xtians.

  25. iangould says

    So fi a transvaginal probe is a valid medical procedure and not intended to humiliate and inflict pain upon women seeking an abortion, why not require them for all pregnant women?

  26. says

    iangould “So fi a transvaginal probe is a valid medical procedure and not intended to humiliate and inflict pain upon women seeking an abortion, why not require them for all pregnant women?”
    Why just pregnant women? I mean how do we know non-pregnant women aren’t really pregnant? Without a good transvaginal wanding, uncounted pregancies could be missed entirely! And wand the men, too. You know how they are, always finding something shiny, like fertilized ovum, pocketing them and forgeting about them.
    What I’m saying is that we simply can’t take any chances. Morality itself is at stake.

  27. tbp1 says

    @#2: Yes. Among the other difficulties they seem to have wth the concept of consent is understanding that giving consent on one occasion to one particular man doesn’t constitute giving consent in perpetuity to every man in the world who might want to have sex with her.

  28. says

    tbp1@32:

    The idea that women consent to sex at all is a head scratcher for the authoritarian mind. Women submit to sex. They don’t consent to it. This is why teh gays scare them so much. How can you tell who is submitting and who is dominating if they both have the same plumbing?

  29. Ichthyic says

    giving consent on one occasion to one particular man doesn’t constitute giving consent in perpetuity to every man in the world who might want to have sex with her.

    or even that same man, for that matter.

  30. says

    Dear Sue Swayze,

    I noticed that you receive nutrients orally by consuming them. So, I am planning to pass a law that any time anyone goes to get dental work done, they have to have a 1957 Cadillac Coupe forcefully rammed down his or her throat. Some might say that this is medically unnecessary, painful and cruel, but I don’t see the problem with this. People got those cavities by putting stuff in their mouths. And as everyone knows once, you penetrate a bodily cavity you forfeit all rights to that cavity.

    Sincerely,
    Poe.

  31. says

    Shoving something into another person’s orifice without their consent, with no medical or other good cause? Where I come from, that’s called “forcible sodomy.” And it’s a FELONY.

    These scumbags are making a law requiring a woman to be forcibly sodomized, as punishment for wanting something she’s not supposed to want; and requiring medical personnel to commit both a felony and an act of medical malpractice. I’m a word guy, and even I am having trouble finding the words to describe how evil these “pro-life” idiots are.

  32. lanir says

    Those things aren’t medical. They’re punitive. It’s medical if you’re treating diseases or illnesses. They’re just trying to take over the language surrounding legitimate medical procedures so they don’t look as stark raving mad when they make up random BS about it.

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