Farah: Why Do Liberals Hate God?

I confess that when I look at the Worldnutdaily site and see a headline like “Why do liberals hate God,” I get kind of excited about it. I tingle with anticipation of just how inane the claims and arguments are going to be. Joseph Farah does not disappoint.

That’s a provocative headline, I know.

But the premise is accurate. Liberals really do hate God. It’s a generalization, of course. Not all liberals hate God. But overwhelmingly they reject His authority, His reality, His Truth.

No we don’t. We just don’t think any such thing exists. At least I don’t. And that’s what he really means, atheists.

To this, the writer, Hrafnkell Haraldsson (don’t ask me how that’s pronounced), retorts: “Never mind that countless civilizations have gotten along just fine without the Ten Commandments. The Romans had an empire for centuries – twice as long as the United States – and they didn’t finally fall until AFTER they got the Ten Commandments.”

Yes, the fall of the Roman Empire is worth nothing. Rome was introduced to the Ten Commandments when it invaded Israel more than 2,000 years ago. Rome rejected the Ten Commandments and committed genocide against the Jewish people – and indeed it fell, hard.

And, yes, even Israel fell – and Judah – as the Bible explains because the nations rejected God and His commandments.

A perfect non-answer. What Haraldsson was referring to was the fact that the Roman empire didn’t collapse until after it became officially Christian. It went on for centuries after it took over the holy land, expanding and becoming more powerful. It was only after the conversion to Christianity that they got things like the Justinian Code, which believed in the Bible so much that it prescribed the death penalty for homosexuality on the grounds that it caused earthquakes.

Then we learn from Politics USA, which describes itself as “real liberal politics,” that the Ten Commandments didn’t come from God on Mount Horeb but were plagiarized from Israel’s pagan neighbors – the Hittites, for whom the writer seems to foster some fondness.

The trouble with that is that for centuries, liberals denied the Hittites even existed. They cited this “fact” as reason not to believe the historicity of the Bible. Then, lo and behold, archaeologists discovered this lost empire mentioned frequently in the Bible actually did exist. Now liberals tell us it was the Hittites, about whom little is actually known, who actually wrote the law given to the Hebrews.

Don’t you love how he takes something said by one person and then claims that all liberals going back centuries believed this? Who were those alleged liberals who denied the existence of the Hittites?

“Nah, America doesn’t need the Ten Commandments; neither do I,” the writer concludes. “I have my Nine Noble Virtues, and I’ll put them up against your Ten Commandments any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. This is America. Contrary to your expectations, Mr. Farah, we all get to choose what to believe.”

In other words, liberals prefer to believe in a god of their own invention rather than one who holds individuals – and nations – accountable for their actions.

Wrong. All gods are invented, so this is a clash between two entirely invented systems of morality. My system is far better than the Bible’s morality, which is utterly barbaric. But both are manmade. Just because you claim that yours comes from God doesn’t make it so.

39 comments on this post.
  1. holytape:

    Personally, I hate God, because when he puts new rolls of toilet paper on the holder, he always puts it on over the top, and not behind the back, which is the proper way to do it.

  2. suttkus:

    Over the top is the correct way to do it. HOW CAN YOU DEFY GOD’S WILL LIKE THAT? I declare jihad!

    Seriously, though, why would you put any roll over the back?

  3. matty1:

    As I understand it the references to Hittites in the Bible are sparse and make them appear as another small Canaanite tribe. The discovery, from Egyptian references and the ruins of the Hittite capital, that they were a powerful empire, at one point considered one of the big three alongside Egypt and Babylon came as a shock precisely because people had been using the Bible as a guide to ancient history.

  4. rowanvt:

    @1! Blasphemer! How dare you prescribe to that barbaric system that requires you to grope underneath the toilet paper, desperately hoping to find the end that you cannot see!

  5. Randomfactor:

    Why Do Liberals Hate God?

    Because he was mean to Prometheus for giving us fire.

  6. Glenn E Ross:

    Seriously, though, why would you put any roll over the back?

    So you never lived in a home with kids or cats and entered the bathroom to find a pile of tp on the floor?

  7. Larry:

    Personally, as a liberal, I must devote several hours each and every day to denying the Hittites ever existed.

    Its all part of the Liberal’s Code. The Code is pretty much just guidelines, but still…

    And by-the-way, about the TP. It’s over the top. That’s in the Code as well.

  8. matty1:

    In other words, liberals prefer to believe in a god of their own invention rather than one who holds individuals – and nations – accountable for their actions.

    I can’t speak for others but this liberal believes that accountability should be to those you affect not to a distant authority that cannot be harmed or helped by anything you do. Then again I also believe the only individual can be accountable in any meaningful sense* so maybe I’m just weird.

    *The idea of shared identity (nations, corporations, clubs etc) is a useful fiction but it is a fiction. Such entities have no controlling mind apart from their members (or that subset of their member who claim to speak for the rest). If Barack Obama decides to send bombers to Lybia it is Barack Obama who made that decision not some disembodied mind called ‘America’ that acts independently of any human.

  9. auditorydamage:

    How can I hate something that I’m reasonably sure doesn’t exist?

    Goodness, next thing you know people will be developing their ethics and morality based upon observation of the results of interactions and how they’d like to be treated by others. After that, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.

    Only then will Gozer the Gozarian return…

  10. Michael Heath:

    Ed writes:

    My system is far better than the Bible’s morality, which is utterly barbaric.

    You almost infinitely understate the superiority of your moral system relative to the Bible, no hyperbole intended. That’s because the Bible’s moral standards aren’t merely barbaric, that’s child’s play, but instead is objectively evil to the degree the evil promised to be wrought approaches infinity. That’s given the god of the Bible’s promise to punish some using unimaginably horrid methods, for even one second, where the sentence instead lasts for all of eternity.

  11. Gregory in Seattle:

    “The trouble with that is that for centuries, liberals denied the Hittites even existed.”

    Ummm…. yes, because until the 1880s, there was no evidence that they had existed. We now know — and have known for almost 140 years — that they were a Bronze Age culture, overwhelmed and subsumed by iron-using cultures around 1000 BCE. Their descendants, not them, influenced Middle Eastern history.

  12. flex:

    The Hittites were confirmed as a civilization in the 19th century with the identification of Boğazköy (also known as Hattusas) as the capital of the Hittite Empire in the 1880′s. During the same decade, Egyptian documents referring to the Hittite Empire also were uncovered.

    Until these discoveries there were doubts that the Hittite’s were a major kingdom because the only things known about them were from the bible. No archaeologist has questioned the existence of the Hittites for well over a hundred years.

    The scholars who questioned the existence of the Hittites were very likely all christians. I have no idea if any of them were liberals. And a liberal from 1880 would not be the same as a liberal today; for one thing, they would be dead.

    I visited Boğazköy a number of times when I was stationed in Turkey. It’s a wonderful site to visit, although I never saw any other tourists there. Cappadocia gets more attention from the tourists, and rightfully so. If there was a choice I’d pick Cappadocia, but I was stationed there long enough to see some of the more out-of-the-way sites.

    One story I’ve always liked is that the Hittites are the inventors of triplicate. The story goes that all written transactions were recorded at least three times. Once for the bearer, or messenger, to carry. Once for the royal archives (in 1906 the archives were discovered with over 10,000 clay tablets). And once for the king to read, then smash. I don’t know if the story is true, but the idea that triplicate was invented using clay tablets about 4,000 years ago tickles me. It re-enforces my conception of human nature.

  13. Ulysses:

    I’d like to know when denying Hittite existence became a part of the liberal dogma. Or is Farrah just making this up because he thinks (?) his audience are primarily Hittite-Americans?

  14. zippythepinhead:

    It doesn’t seem to occur to Farah that maybe liberals don’t hate god, but do hate bigotry and the hypocrites who justify their bigotry in the name of god.

  15. John Pieret:

    I don’t hate god, even if one exists, I hate people who use a supposed god to hide behind while they do evil things to other people.

  16. twincats:

    I declare jihad! Seriously, though, why would you put any roll over the back?

    This again? I must be the most barbaric, heretical, non-conformist person here because not only do I slap the roll in any old way, sometimes I just set the roll on the shelf when I can’t be bothered to hang it. (In my defense, I don’t have one of those spring-mounted TP holders, mine is wrought iron and has to be screwed off and on.)

  17. richardelguru:

    Toilet paper shmoilet paper, that’s clearly determined by situation: what will drag the evil to Hell (not to mention Damnation) is nit leaving the lid down (especially if you have dogs or chillins).
    Forget that stupid argument about whether the seat should be up or down, it’s irrelevant. Put the lid down, make it equally inconvenient for everyone, collect £200, and go to heaven.

  18. richardelguru:

    for ‘nit’ read ‘not’ (phew!!!!)

  19. Moggie:

    Ulysses:

    I’d like to know when denying Hittite existence became a part of the liberal dogma.

    It seems that, to Farah, liberal = someone who values evidence over blind faith. I suppose I can live with that.

    Yes, the fall of the Roman Empire is worth nothing. Rome was introduced to the Ten Commandments when it invaded Israel more than 2,000 years ago. Rome rejected the Ten Commandments and committed genocide against the Jewish people – and indeed it fell, hard.

    Good grief, it really sounds like he’s unaware of the role of Rome in early Christianity. I wonder whether he’s even heard of Constantine?

  20. Gretchen:

    In other words, liberals I prefer to believe in a god of their my own invention rather than one who holds individuals – and nations – accountable for their actions.

    Fixed that for you, Mr. Farah.

  21. w00dview:

    Do wingnuts like Farah actively deny the existence of liberal Christians? Or do they hate God also for not being sufficiently misogynistic or thinking that LGBT folks are humans deserving of equal rights?

  22. fifthdentist:

    I don’t hate “god,”* but the Easter Bunny can burn in hell!

    * If the Christians’ conception of their god-thing actually did exist, hating it would be a natural reaction, as far as I’m concerned.
    As M. Heath pointed out, infinite punishment is not a course of action that a supposed all-loving deity would be capable of making.
    Personally, if I had the power of the being they profess to worship, even Hitler would not be punished for eternity. Even, say, giving him a thousand years for each death, he’d still at some point be released from torture. And then he just has to have Harvey Keitel shove a pineapple up his ass each morning.

  23. cptdoom:

    In other words, liberals prefer to believe in a god of their own invention

    Wait, the Mormons and the Scientoligists are all liberals?

    Yes, the fall of the Roman Empire is worth nothing. Rome was introduced to the Ten Commandments when it invaded Israel more than 2,000 years ago.

    So there was no interaction between Jews and any members of the Roman Empire prior to the invasion? Cause the Ten Commandments were actually around, if not before the Roman Empire, certainly at the same time as it began. And did God let the Romans take over the Greek Empire because the Greeks rejected the Ten Commandments too?

  24. otrame:

    Okay, I have to speak up. This issue has caused wars, broken families, and interfered with the magnetic poles. It is not possible to say things like “you do it your way and I’ll do it mine.”

    And yet, I do not hate. Those who place the roll of toilet paper such that the loose end is down the back are honest, but deluded. I pity them.

  25. Sastra:

    Liberals really do hate God. It’s a generalization, of course. Not all liberals hate God. But overwhelmingly they reject His authority, His reality, His Truth.

    It’s so cute when they confuse God’s authority, reality, and truth with their version of God’s authority, reality, and truth, thus making themselves so small that it’s as if they’re not even there. When we see and hear Farah, just think “God.” That way, he gets to be meek and humble and disappear into the divine cloak of invisibility and we don’t get all bothered and confused about where Farah stops … and where God begins.

    No, wait — that’s not cute.

  26. Sastra:

    Glenn E Ross at #6 is right: if you put the loose end of the toilet paper over the top your cat will pull it all to the floor. I am ashamed to say that this happened to me twice before I stopped being angry at the cat and thought “hey… I know how I can stop this…”

    (And no, closing the bathroom door is not an option if a closed door is accepted as meaning “occupied.”)

    Saved effort + saved paper = salvation.
    House with no house cat = damnation. Because.

  27. baal:

    “the Justinian Code, which believed in the Bible so much that it prescribed the death penalty for homosexuality on the grounds that it caused earthquakes. ”

    If anyone actually believed this, I have to wonder why it wasn’t weaponized (Maybe it was and noone let’s the secret out?).

  28. matty1:

    @27 You do realise this is how the entire gay community in San Francisco are a Soviet sleeper cell? At the right signal they will have mansex at the same time and California will crumble into the ocean.

  29. kermit.:

    Ed: Hrafnkell Haraldsson (don’t ask me how that’s pronounced)
    .
    Duh. It’s pronounced like it’s spelled.
    .
    It does look like Farah doesn’t understand that for the few last generations of Rome it was a Christian empire.
    .
    I am frequently astonished at learning some of the things I, or fellow atheists or liberals believe. But hearing that I hate something which I don’t believe exists is not new. Still baffling, though. What does he think he’s <saying?
    .
    I suspect this is an example of the inability of fundamentalists to introspect. They think something like “What would I have to think feel in order to say this”, and it comes out something like “I would have to want to party all the time” or some such idiocy. He can’t imagine what it’s like to not believe gods exist, and the idea that people would believe something – or not – based on evidence rather than emotional needs isn’t on his radar.

  30. dingojack:

    The Hittites were mentioned in the bible (KJV) a total of 47 times.
    Dingo

  31. lofgren:

    So you never lived in a home with kids or cats and entered the bathroom to find a pile of tp on the floor?

    So you’ve never lived in a home where you kept the door to the bathroom closed like civilized human beings?

  32. Gretchen:

    Apparently lofgren has never had cats, or he/she would know what they do with closed doors. Especially bathroom doors.

    Btw, what about a door being closed or open makes it civilized vs. uncivilized, if there is neither a person in an indecent state nor inclement weather on the other side of it?

  33. lofgren:

    (And no, closing the bathroom door is not an option if a closed door is accepted as meaning “occupied.”)

    Let me introduce you to a concept I invented, which I call “knocking.” Form your hand into a fist, then hold it thumb down and knuckles up. With your wrist straight, press the second knuckle of your index, middle, and ring finger against the door. Flexing at the wrist, rock your hand back and forth twice. This will create a rapping sound upon the substance of the door, allowing you to send an audible signal to anyone that they should call out if they do not want the knocker to enter. If there is no reply in 5-8 seconds, it can usually be considered safe to enter.

    Advanced users may extend their index and middle finger from the first knuckle and knock using only these two fingers, with the hand held with the palm perpendicular to the floor.

  34. Modusoperandi:

    First, dual TP dispenser (one roll forward, one back). You’re happy, the cat’s happy. It’s win-win.
     
    auditorydamage “Only then will Gozer the Gozarian return…”

    Gozer the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!”*

     
    * Best quote ever (it should be noted that pretty much everything Moranis’ character says is gold)

  35. lofgren:

    Apparently lofgren has never had cats, or he/she would know what they do with closed doors. Especially bathroom doors.

    In fact I have two cats. My lifetime ownership is four.

    Btw, what about a door being closed or open makes it civilized vs. uncivilized, if there is neither a person in an indecent state nor inclement weather on the other side of it?

    I find your bathroom to be significantly more indecent than any person in any state of dress who may be on the other side of it. Hell, most people will reflexively close the door to an outhouse upon exiting. You’re going to just leave the one in your home wide open? Repulsive.

  36. Moggie:

    auditorydamage:

    How can I hate something that I’m reasonably sure doesn’t exist?

    I’m not convinced by this argument. Perhaps hate is too strong a word, but I can certainly feel strong dislike for a character. Iago. Many characters from Dickens. Humbert Humbert. Sauron. Wesley Crusher. If I’m not sufficiently engaged with a work of fiction to feel strongly about the characters, chances are it’s badly written.

  37. Jack Krebs:

    Good responses, Ed. My first thought when reading the headline was “I don’t hate God any more than I hate any other fictional character.” But I do dislike, sometimes strongly, the things that people do, and even the people themselves at times, using their notion of God as a justification.

  38. TehPenguin:

    Although I do not hate “God”, being an atheist and not in the habit of hating things I don’t believe are real, I could tell people why I might, were I inclined to do so.

    The God I read about in the Bible, the God I learned about while I still attended church, the God I hear about endlessly from family, the God I see represented by major evangelist and right wing politicians is worthy of my hate. He is a petty, mean-spirited, cruel, spiteful, manipulative being. There is nothing worthy of praise in his supposed attributes, and everything worthy of contempt.

  39. Nick Gotts (formerly KG):

    What Haraldsson was referring to was the fact that the Roman empire didn’t collapse until after it became officially Christian. It went on for centuries after it took over the holy land, expanding and becoming more powerful.- Ed

    Actually, that’s stretching it a bit. Palestine was annexed in 64 BCE following Pompey’s victory over Mithridates, and the Empire reached its maximum extent in 115 CE, when Trajan conquered Mesopotamia – so, a century and four-fifths. Trajan died in 117 CE and his successor, Hadrian, immediately pulled back to the Euphrates. Thereafter, Rome was on the strategic defensive, as its enemies became more formidable, with the replacement of the Parthian by the Sassanian Empire, and the growth of German tribal confederations such as the Goths and Vandals (the Empire’s decline was, in my view, nothing to do with the adoption of Christianity – the claims of Gibbon’s brilliant Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire notwithstanding – and it certainly began before that occurred).

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