Santorum: Stop the ‘War on Scouts’

From the people who brought you the war on Christmas, the war on Easter and the war on religious freedom, it’s the war on scouts. Rick Santorum wants those who want the scouts to allow gay teens to join to call off the war. Because people who want to join the scouts are clearly in a war against it. Or something.

Over the past 50 years, the left in America has successfully transformed American society. Among the long list of liberal victories is the growth of the welfare state, sexual liberation, removing God from the public square, abortion, affirmative action, redistribution of wealth, more government control of business, radical environmentalism and the transformation of the family.

Wow, that sounds horrible! Maybe you should move somewhere else. Try Iran, they’re all about having a theocracy.

Over the years I have been a champion of the unique role that civil society, through voluntary associations, plays in shaping individual character and the common good.

Great! So if the scouts, through voluntary associations, decide to let gay teenagers take part so they can build character and all that stuff, you’ll be okay with that, right? Oh, I guess not. Because this is nonsense. He only favors “voluntary associations” if they don’t voluntarily associate with icky gay people.

Wednesday’s vote is a challenge to the Scouts’ very nature and is another example of the left attempting to remove God from all areas of public life.

Wait, two paragraphs ago you were waxing eloquent about the Supreme Court upheld the scouts’ right to discriminate because they’re a private organization, but if the scouts voluntarily decide to change their policies, with no pressure from the government at all, this is a removal of God from public life? It’s almost like you’re using words dishonestly or something. Yeah, that’s exactly what you’re doing.

First, this policy change will remove the legal protection given to them by the most recent Supreme Court case that permitted the BSA to include or exclude members based upon commonly held “viewpoints.”

Logical thinking isn’t really Santorum’s strong suit. If the Supreme Court says I have the right to decide whether to move out of town and I decide not to move out of town, the legal protection to do so hasn’t been removed. Quite the opposite, actually — I made a choice and it is that choice that is protected.

Comments

  1. says

    As a private, self-proclaimed religious organization, the BSA is perfectly free to admit as members only those people it deems appropriate: the US Supreme Court has ruled that the Boy Scouts are a private group, not a public accomodation, and so has the right of freedom of assembly.

    However, that does NOT take away everyone else’s First Amendment right to condemn the BSA for is bigoted policies. Nor does it require that government agencies provide special discounts and perqs to Scout troops that it would not provide any and all other priviate religious organizations.

    Alas, these concepts are just too difficult for Talibangelicals to grasp. If you are going to claim a right of exclusion as a private religious organization, then you have no grounds to piss and moan that you are treated as a private religious organization.

  2. says

    The war metaphor is really over used. If you just scroll down the front page of Ed’s blog you can see that the religious right thinks that war has been declared on pretty much everything.

  3. says

    redistribution of wealth

    Which, of course, is the reason we now have perhaps the greatest gap between the incomes of the richest Americans and everyone else that we have ever seen.

    Wednesday’s vote is a challenge to the Scouts’ very nature and is another example of the left attempting to remove God from all areas of public life.

    Well, then maybe you shouldn’t associate with leftist groups like the executive board of the Boy Scouts of America .

  4. Michael Heath says

    The lie that homosexual men are pedophiles is once again raising its ugly head. I suggest reading some of the comments at this WSJ article that was published yesterday to see how this issue is playing out within the broader conservative community; i.e., beyond Christianists like Rick Santorum.

    (For some reason the first couple of comment posts are about unrelated topic, so skim down about half-way to get the start of the relevant topic.)

  5. says

    I hope Santorum runs for president again in 2016. His every utterance discredits the dominant nutcase wing of the GOP. People need to stay aware just how crazy those people are.

  6. thisisaturingtest says

    Christians like Santorum (Bachmann, Perry, etc.) don’t want just the freedom to practice their religion; they want to exercise it as a privilege.

  7. baal says

    Santorum is out of office these days.

    “Try Iran, they’re all about having a theocracy.”
    I’ve a similar line about regulation free capitalism & Somalia.

  8. says

    John Pieret@4:

    Fifty years ago, the top tax rates were much higher than they are now, so technically, Santorum was correct in saying that there has been wealth redistribution. It just wasn’t I’m the direction he was implying.

  9. Gvlgeologist, FCD says

    Very slightly OT, I always like the way that conservatives use the phrase, “radical environmentalism” to mean, “any concern, no matter how slight, over the fact that businesses and people might have to be restrained from or pay a cost for despoiling the environment that everyone on Earth depends on.”

    And back on topic, as others have noted, the right to say or do something does not come with it the right to avoid criticism or to avoid repercussions of that speech or acts. The scouts have realized that they will and are losing membership and financial support due to this. If I were a cynic, I might suggest that they haven’t changed their core beliefs, but that they just want to maintain their status.

  10. cottonnero says

    greg 1466 #15: Well, ‘sanctorum’ is Latin for ‘of the saints’ or ‘of the holies’. For example “Acta sanctorum” “Acts of the saints”, or ‘Sanctum sanctorum’ ‘Holy of holies’.

  11. raven says

    Wednesday’s vote is a challenge to the Scouts’ very nature and is another example of the left attempting to remove God from all areas of public life.

    Scouts very nature? What nonsense.

    For decades it was an outdoor adventure organization for kids. Camping, paddling canoes, hiking, and so on.

    Then the fundie xians and Mormons gained control. It became part of their theocratic goals to take over our society and create a new Dark Age.

    Hitchens: Religion poisons everything.

    These days it seems to be a channel to teach kids to hate gays and atheists who make up around 27% of the population. With current trends, the Nones will make up the majority in a few decades.

  12. raven says

    Over the past 50 years, the left in America has successfully transformed American society.

    Much of it for the better.

    1. Civil rights were extended from white males to the majority of the US population. Nonwhites, women, and other groups.

    2. Our economy and technology grew phenomenally. Computers were invented, the internet, etc..

    3. The Cold War ended. Fifty years ago we were having duck and cover drills for kids in school, to survive a nuclear war.

    4. We cleaned up the environment. When I was a kid, the local river couldn’t support fish life. These days it has salmon and trout and is a popular recreation area. The air was polluted and smog alerts were common in some places.

    5. The Vietnam war was just getting started. It would kill 55,000 Americans (some of whom I knew), maybe 1 million Vietnamese, and we would lose anyway.

    6. Poverty wasn’t ended but it was vastly improved. Most people today have access to electricity, running water, and food.

    Satanorum is of course, referring to the good old days that never existed for most people.

    I don’t know why he limits it to 50 years ago. He clearly wants to be a New Dark Age Pope and go back 500 or a 1,000 years ago.

  13. dingojack says

    “Wednesday’s vote is a challenge to the [American] Scouts’ very nature and is another example of the left attempting to remove God from all areas of public life*”.

    FIFY Rick – you wipe up the santorum.

    Dingo
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    * Well if this is example of the ‘the left’ attempting to remove god from public life, then as a public institution they are not permitted to discriminate (as per the US Constitution, you might have vaguely heard of it) – unless they’re not a public institution in which case you’re full o’ shit (as per the definition) that this is an example of ‘the left’ trying to remove god from the public life.

  14. scienceavenger says

    I wish someone would explain to Frothy that one cannot stand in the public square bitching about God being removed from the pulic square.

  15. says

    thisisaturingtest “Christians like Santorum (Bachmann, Perry, etc.) don’t want just the freedom to practice their religion; they want to exercise it as a privilege.”
    It’s not freedom if other people get it too.
     
    scienceavenger “I wish someone would explain to Frothy that one cannot stand in the public square bitching about God being removed from the pulic square.”
    God would be there Himself, but HE’S BEEN BANNED FROM THE PUBLIC SQUARE!

  16. Subtract Hominem says

    I’m so glad that Santorum’s God has finally been removed from abortion, affirmative action, and redistribution of wealth.

  17. teawithbertrand says

    @ 15, 16,19

    “Santorum — That’s Latin for asshole” – former Senator Bob Kerrey

    Rick’s RationalWiki page has this quote as its sole listing under “Accolades from Colleagues”.

  18. ottod says

    Someone should tell Rick that it’s too late. Most of the scouts who might be affected have already Googled, “Santorum.”

  19. cjcolucci says

    I was a Boy Scout in the 1960s, and enjoyed it greatly. Some of my troop members and friends were, I now know, gay. Gay scout leaders were a cliche even then, but we had no real idea what gay men actually did because none of our leaders — some of whom I now know to have been gay — ever did anything inappropriate to any of us. Kids nowadays are more aware of these issues, and more enlightened about them, than we were, so, if anything, gay scouts would be safer and gay scout leaders less able, if so inclined, to molest their charges, than they were in my day.

  20. jameshanley says

    @8,
    I’ve a similar line about regulation free capitalism & Somalia.

    Which demonstrates your vast ignorance of capitalism, Somalia, or both.

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