Perry: They’ll Be Teaching Sex in the Boy Scouts!


And the freakout among the Christian right over the Boy Scouts possibly allowing local councils to decide whether to accept gay scouts. Gov. Rick Perry of Texas, who really is just dumber than a box of hammers, lends his shrill voice of unreason to the discussion:

After welcoming an annual gathering of hundreds of Boy Scouts to the Texas Capitol on Saturday, Gov. Rick Perry, an Eagle Scout himself, said the youth organization should stand firm on its ban on openly gay members and volunteers.

“Scouting is not a place were sexuality should be the intersection,” Mr. Perry said, according to a report in the San Antonio Express News.. “Scouting is about teaching a substantial amount of life lessons; sexuality is not one of them, never has been and doesn’t need to be.”

And it won’t be. Jesus H. Christ, it’s not like they’re suddenly going to be offering blowjob merit badges.

Comments

  1. glodson says

    Jesus H. Christ, it’s not like they’re suddenly going to be offering blowjob merit badges.

    Yes, because we all know how the inclusive polices of the Girl Scouts has led to their line of Sex Merit Badges that never existed.

  2. slc1 says

    Considering the rumors that Governor Perry likes to switch hit, this is rather fine coming from him.

  3. jamessweet says

    Wait, so “YOU MUST BE HETERO!!!1!!!1!” is not teaching about sexuality, but “We don’t care about your sexual preference” is? Interesting hypothesis, Ricky.

  4. says

    (1) Tom Lehrer begs to differ, Perry.

    (2) I fail to see why sexuality shouldn’t be part of any suite of life lessons taught to children in the age brackets that Scouts serve.

    (3) Perry’s claims are a non sequitur. “Scouts will start teaching sexuality” does not follow from “Scouts will admit openly LGBTQ membership”.

  5. dingojack says

    I was sent home from a cub ‘camp’ for discussing sex with a scout (who was supposedly ‘chaperoning’ us) not because any one there minded, they were frightened of what ‘the parents would say’ (my folks couldn’t give a toss, and said so, vigorously).
    Dingo

  6. joachim says

    Well, the scouts were ready to make changes.

    And the the atheists started in , “but they still don’t accept atheists”, and this was brought to the attention of the board.

    Now they are postponing the whole thing.

    Thanks atheists! Another good job!

  7. Randomfactor says

    After they admit gays, we’ll start pounding on them about atheists. But there’s no reason at all not to call for both at the same time, since they’re both equally valid concerns.

    What happened here is the Baptists and the Mormons joining forces against teh ghey are postponing the inevitable.

  8. abb3w says

    Never has been? I guess he’s never heard Toim Lehrer’s old ditty.

    If you’re looking for adventure of a new and different kind,
    And you come across a Girl Scout who is similarly inclined,
    Don’t be nervous, don’t be flustered, don’t be scared.
    Be prepared!

  9. raven says

    Perry: They’ll Be Teaching Sex in the Boy Scouts!

    That would be an improvement.

    Right now they are teaching the scouts hatred of gays and atheists.

    It was and is supposed to be an outdoor adventure and education organization for kids. They really should just stick to camping and paddling canoes and so on and leave the culture war brainwashing to someone else.

  10. eric says

    @6 – they’re postponing…until May, because that’s when their next formal voting meeting is.

    That time frame and the idea of waiting to resolve it until their next big meeting seems perfectly reasonable to me.

  11. Zugswang says

    “Scouting is about teaching a substantial amount of life lessons; sexuality is not one of them, never has been and doesn’t need to be.”

    Well, it wasn’t, until they decided in the 80’s that suddenly, it was their business to give instruction on sexuality (and really, they didn’t issue an official policy until 1991). Though I guess I shouldn’t expect Perry to have any sort of appreciation for historical facts, or facts of any kind that invalidate his preconceptions of reality.

  12. Alverant says

    I’m with the others here. We need to teach boys these days how to act. Not just to women, but to each other. Perry would have none of that because he wants to keep the social heirarchy with himself in the top group.

  13. says

    What the defenders of the Scouts policy on gays and atheists don’t seem to get (or, they are being willfully obtuse about) is that when they constantly conflate Scouts policies with morality and goodness, they are implicitly, if not explicitly) promoting the message that someone who is gay or an atheist does not have character or values, which is completely false.

    Wingnuts seem to think that gays spend the vast part of their waking hours engaged in endless orgies when not trying to force themselves into organizations that explicitly bar them. It’s as if gays don’t have jobs, don’t take care of their parents in old age, don’t donate to or participate in charities or other civic activities. Same with atheists. A lot of us are happily married and contribute positively to our communities and yet somehow we lack character and values. That is a very damaging message to pass on to generation after generation of children in this country.

  14. says

    Dear Ed,
    As legal counsel for the Box of Hammers Association of America I must inform you that my client takes great offense at your comparison of perfectly intelligent boxes of inanimate metal objects to the mental capacity of Gov. Rick Perry (Dumbass-Texas).
    Yours truly,
    Maxwell W. Hungadunga,
    Hungadunga, Hungadunga, Hungadunga, Hungadunga and McCormack

  15. lorn says

    Years ago I read an article that laid out the origin of the Boy Scouts. Seems the originators of the concept of a group focused on young boys, camping and rustic skills were offering up a healthy and wholesome alternative to masturbation. The idea was that you keep the boys exhausted hiking up hills, focused on God and country, and tying knots they wouldn’t play with themselves.

    The Boy Scouts have, evidently, always had avoidance sex and sexual thoughts at its core. Might take some time for them to come up with blowjob and butt fucking merit badges. Those wishing to obtain such badges might apply as towel boys at Plato’s.

  16. dshetty says

    @joachim
    And the the atheists started in , “but they still don’t accept atheists”, and this was brought to the attention of the board.

    Now they are postponing the whole thing.
    I remember reading Susan Jacoby’s book where there were people who felt that both women’s rights and rights for black people should be pushed for at the same time (because what you are arguing for is a principle)
    and others who felt that rights for black people was an easier sell and that pushing for both would result in getting nothing.
    I wonder where you stand on this.(actually I dont).

  17. says

    lorn “Seems the originators of the concept of a group focused on young boys, camping and rustic skills were offering up a healthy and wholesome alternative to masturbation. The idea was that you keep the boys exhausted hiking up hills, focused on God and country, and tying knots they wouldn’t play with themselves.”
    All it did was give them better endurance.

  18. coragyps says

    “The idea was that you keep the boys exhausted hiking up hills, focused on God and country, and tying knots they wouldn’t play with themselves.”

    Didn’t work in my troop, for sure. As soon as the Coleman lantern went out………

  19. chilidog99 says

    Actuall in the Webelos, they do recomend that the leaders have a talk the boys about maturing, nocturnal emissions, etc.

  20. says

    @raven: “It was and is supposed to be an outdoor adventure and education organization for kids.”

    It’s also a feeder group for the armed forces (Eagle rank still counts towards entering one grade higher). But since the armed forces are coming around on atheists, and now officially allow gays into their ranks, you’d hope that the Boy Scouts would stay in step.

  21. imthegenieicandoanything says

    It’s just an expression of course, but it’s insulting to any sentient hammers that may exists: they at least have uses, after all. Though imagining Perry being used to hammer in a nail is a humorous idea. His head is certainly thick enough.

  22. Karen Locke says

    My geologist’s rock hammer takes exception to your comparison. The construction hammers in the garage are too stupid to care.

    Seriously, why don’t boy scouts address sexuality, the importance of being respectful to your partner (of either sex), and the critical issues of STDs and birth control?

  23. bobbyearle says

    I managed to earn the rank of Eagle back in the old days (mid ’70s). I felt very proud to have done that, and felt that I had performed a very hard task. So Perry was an Eagle Scout?

    Lovely. Eagle Scout, Schmeagle Scout.

  24. RickR says

    “Scouting is not a place were sexuality should be the intersection”

    And yet, this is exactly the effect of banning gay people from participation.

  25. martinc says

    I joined the scouts when I was young because:

    1) They played games.
    2) They had a church hall with polished floorboards that you could slide on in your socks.

    I was with them for a year. We read books about bushcraft, and I recall getting a merit badge for tying a knot. I also got a merit badge for aircraft identification, which largely consisted of pointing to an aircraft and saying “that’s an aircraft”. We left the building one (1) time in that period, and went for a bushwalk. The rest of the time it was just running up and down the hall, complete with sliding in our socks. We were the most urban scouts ever.

    I have no idea whether this experience was a direct cause of my heterosexuality. I do know two things:
    1) I can’t survive in the bush for shit; and
    2) I’m still pretty awesome at sock-sliding.

  26. Rip Steakface says

    @29

    When I was in for a year, we did a lot of outdoors stuff that was admittedly pretty awesome. Like 200 vs 200 capture the flag in the woods at night.

    Now if only they’d allow any boy to join the group.

  27. says

    I only wish that Rick Perry was the undisputed dumbest motherfucker in a governor’s mansion. Unfortunately for the rest of us, he’s only one of a too large number.

    “My geologist’s rock hammer takes exception to your comparison. The construction hammers in the garage are too stupid to care.”

    Dear Karen Locke:

    I have, living in my home, approximately thirty hammers of various sorts including, but not limited to the following types: framing, finishing, tacking, upholstering, planishing, hand drilling, sledge, tin knocking, ball pien, mechanics and brick hammers. They are all hard working and stable family oriented tools. They have done and will continue to do those jobs for which they were designed, asking only for a skilled wielder in the partnership of brain and brawn that professional grade hammering requires.

    They, as a group, are concerned that your elitist geologist’s rock hammer is breaking ranks and disturbing the solidarity of hammerheads, worldwide. It has a nice thing going for itself, travelling to exotic locales and outcroppings and hobnobbing with rockhounds from places like Hahvud; it would be a shame if something should happen to its handle, capeesh?

  28. greg1466 says

    “Scouting is not a place were sexuality should be the intersection,” said yet another person insistent on making sexuality an intersection in Scouting…

  29. Freodin says

    If scouting should not be about sexuality at all, they would do good do ban all these heterosexual people from participating. I mean, just look at the term… heteroSEXUAL! It says right there what these people are about!

    Equality for all! No sexual beings at the Scouts!

  30. ArtK says

    I recall one of my Scout leaders saying “A Scout should have a clean body or a clean mind.” We all showered every day.

  31. scienceavenger says

    Tommykey said: Wingnuts seem to think that gays spend the vast part of their waking hours engaged in endless orgies …. It’s as if gays don’t have jobs, don’t take care of their parents in old age, don’t donate to or participate in charities or other civic activities.

    That’s exactly it, which is why Perry’s position, while hammerbox stupid, isn’t entirely illogical given his goofy premises. To people like him, being a homosexual isn’t about how you feel, its about what you do. And if you do it enough that you think you need to be called a homosexual, then gosh darn, you must be doing it a lot, and you don’t need to be doing it in front of the scouts. Cuz we can’t have no gayness in an all male club wearing those nifty scarfs…

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