Reid Screwed Up Online Poker Legalization »« Another Psychic Arrested for Fleecing Clients

Dee Snider Isn’t Gonna Take It Anymore

Dee Snider, the lead singer of Twisted Sister, took a shot at our favorite lunatic rockstar, Ted Nugent, pointing out that despite his hyper-nationalist bullshit and macho blathering, he actually dodged the draft during the Vietnam War by crapping his pants.

“Ted’s always been a gun-toting conservative. But what gets me is that he was actually a draft dodger! I mean, to the point where he didn’t bathe for a week, and vomited on himself to deliberately avoid the draft. I totally understand why he did that, but all of these Republicans who love Ted don’t seem to know or remember that too well. It’s crazy that he’s become one of the voices of Conservative America even though he was a draft dodger. If you don’t believe me, Google it.”

Nugent fired back on Twitter:

Yeah, he fell for the “lie” you told, which you later claimed wasn’t true. But since your claim that you were lying is an admission to being a liar, why should anyone believe the second claim rather than the first? If someone reveals something that makes them look bad rather than good, it’s pretty likely to be true, and the later attempt to say you didn’t mean it is much more likely to be the lie. Were you lying too when you demeaned the soldiers you now claim to think so highly of?

Comments

  1. dingojack says

    Ooooh battle of the ‘has-beens’. Crank up the popcorn-maker, Ma, looks like it’s gonna be a long night!
    @@
    Dingo
    ——–
    I wonder what the guy who played “Erkle’ thinks – should we call him?

  2. says

    What an amazing response from the Nuge. “You fell for my outrageous lie! HA!”

    Unfortunately, this one doesn’t look like it’s even worth popping any popcorn for. An exchange of witty repartee with Nuge would mostly resemble Godzilla versus Bambi.

  3. godlesspanther says

    Well, Ted Nugent would be the age in which he was subject to the draft for the Viet Nam war. I know that guys did do horrendous things to themselves to get out of it. So there’s that.

    And if Ted did not do that, why would he say that he did?

  4. Michael Heath says

    Ed writes:

    But since [Ted Nugent's] claim that you were lying is an admission to being a liar, why should anyone believe the second claim rather than the first?

    Exactly, and this can’t be emphasized enough. The most galling example is when AGW denialists, who’ve repeatedly demonstrated their dishonesty, jump on board; where some people then argue this increases the credibility of the theory. No, their jumping on-board should have no relevance on the veracity of the theory, they’re liars and therefore not to be trusted.

    Ed writes:

    If someone reveals something that makes them look bad rather than good, it’s pretty likely to be true, and the later attempt to say you didn’t mean it is much more likely to be the lie.

    I think time and place are very important premises in guessing where the truth lies on this Nugent story. To a young Nugent, rebelling against, “the man” was popular amongst his cohorts back when he told his original story, so amping it up resonated with many of those buying his music.

    However I think this tale was merely Nugent telling taller tales than what probably transpired. In this day and age we don’t have nearly the populace that would look favorably on Nugent’s draft-dodging; partly because it’s now an abstract thing since we have no draft. Draft-dodging the way Nugent did it no longer looks cool but instead pathetic, hypocritically pathetic in Nugent’s case given his political activism over the past ten or so years. Muhammed Ali’s response to the draft is one example worthy of emulation.

    So the real observation here is that Nugent, like his buddy Sarah Palin, is more than ready to manufacture stories about their own history and then contradict those stories when it’s politically convenient in the current moment.

  5. jws1 says

    I don’t understand why chicken hawks like Nugent et al would’ve avoided serving in Vietnam – after all, it was a fantastic opportunity to murder non-white, non-christian women and children by the bushel, while claiming doing so “protected freedom.”

  6. slc1 says

    Re Michael Heath @ #8

    In this day and age we don’t have nearly the populace that would look favorably on Nugent’s draft-dodging; partly because it’s now an abstract thing since we have no draft.

    As a Vietnam War draft dodger, (just like Mitt Rmoney, I did if through student deferments) I would make a very minor correction to MH’s claim. It is my understanding that the draft has been suspended, not revoked. AFAIK, 18 year old boys are still required to register with selective service, although my information may be dated.

  7. says

    To a young Nugent, rebelling against, “the man” was popular amongst his cohorts back when he told his original story, so amping it up resonated with many of those buying his music.

    That’s what I figure as well. There was a lot of resentment toward Vietnam back then among younger people, and Nuge could have simply made the whole thing up as a way to cement his anti-authoritarian bona fides.

    But even if that’s the case, he’s still a hypocritical weasel. His gun-waving pseudo-patriotism is the same kind of opportunistic posturing where you can’t tell what’s real and what’s a marketing ploy.

  8. tbp1 says

    I just missed out on having to make difficult decisions about the draft—they virtually stopped actually drafting people about the year I turned 18, and I had a very high draft number to boot.

    I was very much opposed to the war, but also didn’t really want to move to Canada, go to jail, or pretend to be gay or something else I wasn’t. But, I got lucky and didn’t have to do any of those things. I just went off to college.

    I don’t look down on what anyone did in those times to avoid the draft, but hypocrites who claimed to support it, and then did everything possible to avoid actually fighting it, still turn my stomach. Bush the Younger, Mitt Romney, Nugent, Limbaugh, etc. etc. etc. The list goes ever on and on. I don’t get why this doesn’t bother conservatives. Clinton’s alleged draft-dodging was apparently treasonous, but Bush going AWOL for a couple of years, after using his family connections to leap to the head of the line for the National Air Guard, doesn’t seem to bother them in the slightest.

  9. Alverant says

    He got student deferrments (hmmm didn’t a former VP also get student deferrments) and when they ran out he got an “other” deferrment. I forgot what the technical term was but basically it was for a reason not covered by any of the others. Which would include being so unpresentable that he wouldn’t be welcome anywhere. But it’s classified so we can’t no for sure.

    The key thing is that he bragged about it and now he’s denying it. The proof that he was lying during the interview rests on him and no one else.

  10. Rip Steakface says

    Say what you will about Twisted Sister as musicians, Dee Snider is far from dumb. Refer to his (in)famous testimony at the PMRC hearings back in the 80s – he walked in, fresh from a concert, still in his ripped up clothing and makeup, pulled his folded-up speech out of his pocket, and proceeded to verbally destroy the PMRC and Tipper Gore with eloquence they clearly did not see coming from someone in a band like Twisted Sister (…perhaps reasonably so).

  11. says

    Ted Nugent was, is and will continue to be a pathalogical liar, coward, misogynist and all around fuckwad.

    There’s something about the ReiKKKwing and musicians that makes for pretty crappy music, generally.

  12. abear says

    If Nugent lied about shitting himself to dodge the draft it would seem he must have done something even less honorable, possibly illegal to game the system. The chickenshit chickenhawk should set the record straight even if it puts him in possible legal jeopardy.
    Maybe that’s what he meant when he said that if Obama won the election he would either be dead or in jail.

  13. Michael Heath says

    tbp1 writes:

    I don’t look down on what anyone did in those times to avoid the draft, but hypocrites who claimed to support it, and then did everything possible to avoid actually fighting it, still turn my stomach. Bush the Younger, Mitt Romney, Nugent, Limbaugh, etc. etc. etc. The list goes ever on and on. I don’t get why this doesn’t bother conservatives. Clinton’s alleged draft-dodging was apparently treasonous, but Bush going AWOL for a couple of years, after using his family connections to leap to the head of the line for the National Air Guard, doesn’t seem to bother them in the slightest.
    [emphasis mine - MH]

    It doesn’t bother them because they deny it happened. That’s is after all a very popular approach to avoiding cognitive dissonance, for all fierce political ideologues. In this blog post thread such denialism is especially delicious given Nugent himself is denying what he previously claimed about himself.

Leave a Reply