Jan 10 2013

Klayman Calls for Revolution

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Larry Klayman, the dumbest lawyer in America not named Mat Staver (or Orly Taitz), has his usual hysterical column at the Worldnutdaily. This one is titled “Revolution!” and that is exactly what he calls for, saying things are worse today than under King George in 1776.

In short, our situation – whereby the nation has been intentionally bankrupted by the Democratic and Republican establishment and sold out to the equivalent of biblical money changers in the modern form of special interests who line the pockets of our government representatives with campaign contributions and other forms of cash, legal and illegal, to do their bidding – is far worse than in 1776. And, that is not even to mention the moral decay that has swept the nation and is rotting it from within, as manifested in our generally filthy and degenerate movies, television and music – which have been furthered by government entities like the Federal Communications Commission, whose commissioners come from both political parties.

Thus, the profound and moving words and self-evident truths contained in the Declaration of Independence ring even more true today than in 1776. They read just in part, “… when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them (meaning ‘We the People’) under absolute Despotism, its is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

The time has come after a long line of “abuses and usurpations” for us to rise up and demand that our current so called rulers leave “Dodge City,” or suffer the consequences as King George III was forced to do.

I am currently in a deep contemplative mood on how to try to do this peacefully without resort to violence. The Founding Fathers, however, ultimately concluded that peaceful means were not possible.

We now find ourselves at a similar crossroads with little time to waste before the nation is totally destroyed by its corrupt and degenerate establishment rulers.

Okay Larry, you lead the first charge on the White House. I’ll watch.

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raven

January 10, 2013 at 12:16 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

Changing Views of Free Speech in the U.S.
www. infoplease. com/timelines/freespeech.html

United States the Supreme Court upholds the Sedition Act, ruling that sending written …
The Act makes it a crime to advocate the violent overthrow of the government,
… as opposed to urging a person to do something, can not be made illegal.

It is illegal to advocate the violent overthrow of the US government. IIRC, this is known as treason.

Klayman:

I am currently in a deep contemplative mood on how to try to do this peacefully without resort to violence. The Founding Fathers, however, ultimately concluded that peaceful means were not possible.

Klayman is coming pretty close here.

Regardless of whether he gets disbarred or sent to prison, it is quite clear he and his christofascist audience deeply hates the USA and the US government. Obama has now won two elections despite Tea Party/GOP efforts to cheat by voter suppression.
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imrryr

January 10, 2013 at 12:17 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

And, that is not even to mention the moral decay that has swept the nation and is rotting it from within, as manifested in our generally filthy and degenerate movies, television and music

I’ll take our current ‘moral decay’ over legalized slavery, segregation and repeatedly violated treaties with native tribes any day, thank you.
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busterggi

January 10, 2013 at 12:19 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

He excoriates the Republican party now but he supported their candidates barely two months ago, its a twister Auntie Em!
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John Pieret

January 10, 2013 at 12:23 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

I am currently in a deep contemplative mood …

Like the ones you get into when representing your clients? I wish you as much luck as they have had.

It is illegal to advocate the violent overthrow of the US government. IIRC, this is known as treason.

Advocating the violent overthrow of the government is not covered by freedom of speech and, therefore, can be (and is) criminalized. However, you have to actually take up arms against the US or aid and abet a foreign nation at war witht the US for it to be “treason.”
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Tabby Lavalamp

January 10, 2013 at 12:34 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

Now, granted, I haven’t taken up an intensive study of American history as I was told I should in the comments of a previous post, but…

demand that our current so called rulers leave “Dodge City,” or suffer the consequences as King George III was forced to do.

As a Canadian, I must admit I was unaware of the significance of Dodge City in your revolution.
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Abby Normal

January 10, 2013 at 12:38 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

I’m consistently amazed that people so manifestly dim can master typing, much less pass the bar exam.
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David C Brayton

January 10, 2013 at 12:45 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

I was nodding my head in agreement after the first sentence. But then he makes a sharp turn and goes off the rails.
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baal

January 10, 2013 at 12:48 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

As an American, I can say dodge city has little to do with the American revolution (that and Kansas wasn’t even close to being part of the early US. He’s metaphorically mixed up in his metaphors.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/get_out_of_Dodge
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Dr X

January 10, 2013 at 12:58 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

An angry man with an arsenal at home is just the kind of leader we need, because violent uprisings always lead to more just, minimal governments.
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Larry

January 10, 2013 at 1:05 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

Yawn. Just another example of the “scary black man in the white house” syndrome that has infected the mouth breathers and jebus-fanatics for the last 4 years.
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bbgunn

January 10, 2013 at 1:13 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

-In short, our situation – whereby the nation has been intentionally bankrupted by the Democratic and Republican establishment and sold out to the equivalent of biblical money changers in the modern form of special interests who line the pockets of our government representatives with campaign contributions and other forms of cash, legal and illegal, to do their bidding –

Is this a more subtle ‘Jewish bankers’ accusation?
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Taz

January 10, 2013 at 2:05 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

things are worse today than under King George in 1776

Two words: indoor plumbing.
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anubisprime

January 10, 2013 at 2:08 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

I could well be off base here, as a ‘foreigner’ I am not that close to the coalface to accurately gauge the attitude.
But it does seem that there is a concerted and growing swell of talking heads, from the right-wing or some tacky ranty radio show hosts that are strongly suggesting that armed uprising is the only choice and that it is legal and mandated for in the constitution.

I suppose a great deal of it might well be extremely sour grapes that Obama stomped their hero…but acting like toddlers that are prone to tantrums every time they do not get their way, seems to be a relatively recent phenomena in the density and hysteria of the screeds and red faced sweaty spittle laden panting one can hear in the text or on the radio or TV like the dumbfuck that displayed his full range of IQ on the Piers Morgan debacle is a prime example!
It gives the impression that it is not just a few that get carried away in their intense disappointment of things rational but are the vanguard of the clarion calls for armed uprising.

It seems the religiously challenged ghouls, that partner the politically twisted, have little choice, either do or fade away and die, we know how much they exaggerate their affairs, one wonders when the public are not listening just how desultory and dispirited their conversation with each other actually is?

I would imagine they are at a crossroads and they know it.
Their choice would be throw in with the NRA clones and storm the bastions of secular authority or give it up, except xtians never ever, just give up!

And most of them support guns and believe they are the chosen ones anyway.

So it does remind quite obvious that it is an intention, and these frequent rants and raves are in fact the assembly bugles!
It does remain a rather vague point on who will actually lead the charge…they all seem to be goading each other on and watching out of the corner of their eye for who finally spurs to a gallop from their midst.
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pHred

January 10, 2013 at 2:18 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

@ 12 Taz

I have two more to add – toilet paper

Makes me wish I had a time machine to send these loops back to their “golden ages” just to see how long they last.
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scienceavenger

January 10, 2013 at 2:55 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

…as manifested in our generally filthy and degenerate movies, television and music

Must have spent an evening watching “Expelled” and “2016″ while listening to (c)rap music.
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Gregory in Seattle

January 10, 2013 at 3:25 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

@John Pieret #4 – 18 USC § 2385:

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

No, not treason, but still a very major federal felony.
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Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven

January 10, 2013 at 5:48 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

Is the full title “Dunce Dunce Revolution?”
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Subtract Hominem

January 10, 2013 at 7:23 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

Boy, movies and television were so much better in 1776. Right, Larry?
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Michael Heath

January 10, 2013 at 7:34 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

anubisprime writes:

I could well be off base here, as a ‘foreigner’ I am not that close to the coalface to accurately gauge the attitude.
But it does seem that there is a concerted and growing swell of talking heads, from the right-wing or some tacky ranty radio show hosts that are strongly suggesting that armed uprising is the only choice and that it is legal and mandated for in the constitution.

An armed uprising would be treason under the Constitution where only the dumbest wingnuts reference the Constitution to call for insurrection. But treason against the Constitution isn’t necessarily immoral or unjustified.

There is an argument which attempts to justify revolution in certain situations; that’s found in the U.S. Declaration of Independence. That document is essentially an argument attempting to justify the American colonies committing treason against King George.

The DofI is where the colonists argued their armed revolt and ultimate declaration of independence wasn’t an illegal form of treason because the King and Great Britain had failed the just governance standard they proclaimed in the DofI. To the colonists, the King and Great Britain’s Parliament had already broken their contract – freeing the Americans for self-government. This idea of a contract between government and its people got substantial traction with the English Bill of Rights in 1689. That document was radical because it continued to move governmental authority away from monarchial claims of sovereignty coming solely from God. What was instead emerging was government’s relationship to the subjects of the country, where those subjects demanded certain standards to earn the consent of the governed.

I think it’s principled for extant Americans to challenge our government’s performance relative to the standards asserted in the DofI and if they fail in certain situations – call for revolt. The problem here is the DofI serves as a mere prop for wingnut fascists who are frustrated their privileges are being extended to other groups of people they hate; such as non-Christianists, liberals, gays, feminists, non-whites, Muslims etc. These supposed revolutionary advocates could give a rat’s ass about liberty or the standards and principles in either the DofI or the U.S. Constitution. They do care about their privileges, their hatred, their conservative Christian beliefs (political and religious); most of which is are direct violation of the DofI and Constitution which they deny or avoid and so often misconstrue.
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d.c.wilson

January 10, 2013 at 8:04 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

Well, that is the biggest load of masturbatory writing I’ve seen so far this month.
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dingojack

January 10, 2013 at 11:45 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment

d.c.wilson – well that’s a little harsh!
Michael might be a little prolix but really….
:D Dingo
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Rip Steakface

January 11, 2013 at 12:06 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment

Must have spent an evening watching “Expelled” and “2016″ while listening to (c)rap music.

There’s always someone out there ready to fly the “all rap sucks!” flag when it’s just legitimate of a genre of music as jazz, rock and classical (I’ve played all four, damn it).

Besides, music will never get more degenerate than this.
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spamamander, internet amphibian

January 11, 2013 at 12:20 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment

Damn you Rip. Damn you to hell.
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dingojack

January 11, 2013 at 12:46 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment

RIp – you’ve ‘played’ rap?
See what happens America when you don’t invest in a decent ‘social safety net’.
:) Dingo
———-
Don’t tell me.
There was a period when you were in college (yes, I accept you were young & foolish) when you dabbled in -
[shamefaced sotto voce] mime!
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gratch

January 11, 2013 at 3:01 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment

The dishonesty in their statements is always a little breathtaking. They make claims about how the world is ending but their suggested courses of action are never equal to the danger they claim to see.

“This is the worst thing ever! The world as we know it is ending!”
“The world itself? Everything gone? So we should do everything we can to stop it right? Like take up arms?”
“What? Oh no, no, no! I just mean vote for the other guy in four years.”
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janeymack

January 12, 2013 at 3:51 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment

1776? That was a great movie! Best musical ever.

What?