Kevin Swanson and Dave Buehner of Generations Radio had a recent discussion on their show about Obama’s reelection, which they said had “solidified our doom.” They also said that Obama doesn’t have a mandate, he has a “womandate” because men didn’t vote for him. Oh, and he’s just like the North Korean dictator.
Swanson: It solidified our doom, it effectively said there is no way out of this thing at least for the time being unless we get back to the foundations, reconstruct the foundations, which is something we’ve been talking about for a long time. Unless we rebuild families, fatherhood, young men, unless we bring back manhood, a biblical manhood, we are going to be a bunch of softy-wofty, weeny socialists for the years to come. That’s what’s going to happen. It’s going to be the single women that run most of the households in America voting and they almost always vote more socialist, more government, more communist, because they find their security in the state and not in the social structure of that family. Dave, we’re headed in that election. I think the 2012 election really was a turning point for America…
Swanson: The man has tremendous influence. He has got a mandate; he’s got a lot of support—
Buehner: He doesn’t have a mandate; he’s got a woman-date. The men didn’t vote for him, it was the women who voted for him, which is why he’s their ‘Man of the Year.’
Swanson: He’s got a woman-date, big time. You know, the North Korean president got the most votes from the audience for ‘Man of the Year,’ he was a close second. If you had a choice between Barack Obama and the North Korean president, they’re both committed to Marx. They are, think about it. If you interviewed both of them and you said: what do you think about Marx and the redistribution of wealth? Remember what he said on that radio station in Chicago, Barack Obama some ten years ago, he said they should have had redistribution of the wealth in the Constitution. He is so committed to Marxism and so is the North Korean president, but it was a tossup for TIME Magazine.
That last part is a lie, by the way. In fact, Obama was expressing the (currently) conservative view that change should come through elected legislatures rather than through the courts.
Maybe I am showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but you know I am not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. You know the institution just isn’t structured that way…. Any of the three of us sitting here could come up with a rationale for bringing about economic change through the courts. I think that, as a practical matter, that our institutions are just poorly equipped to do it…
One of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think, there was a tendency to lose track of the political and organizing activities on the ground that are able to bring about the coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change.
He was arguing that liberals have for too long looked to the courts to achieve victories and they should work instead through legislatures. And I say the “currently” conservative view because this view changes due to political convenience. During the New Deal era, conservatives used the courts to put roadblocks in Roosevelt’s way; it was the left that demanded deference to elected legislatures and the right that wanted “judicial activism.” The two sides exchanged scripts, as they so often do, after 1980.
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cottonnero
January 7, 2013 at 2:20 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Hypothesis: the sort of person who thinks “womandate” is clever also thinks “Obummer” is clever.
Larry
January 7, 2013 at 2:25 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
So I guess these guys are gonna pack it in and emigrate somewhere where they can be biblical men once again and have those foundations they so greatly desire.
I wish them all the best.
steve oberski
January 7, 2013 at 2:31 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
@Larry
Either conversion to Islam or a short but exciting life is in order for those xtians who emigrate to a more biblical locale.
Like you, I wish them the best of luck.
Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven
January 7, 2013 at 2:35 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
What’s the problem? I thought they were against men dating anyway.
didgen
January 7, 2013 at 2:36 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
“Womandate” HarHarHar that’s punny. Ah the epitome of conservative humor.
Didaktylos
January 7, 2013 at 2:50 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
So as far as wingnuts are concerned, women don’t really count as citizens?
David Marjanović
January 7, 2013 at 2:50 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Aah, the times when Fearless Flightsuit (or at least Karl Rove) had a man date with James Dale “Jeff Gannon” Guckert…
noastronomer
January 7, 2013 at 3:02 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Strangely enough, neither Barak Obama nor Kim Jong-Un appear anywhere on my list of people committed to Marxism.
Mike.
Raging Bee
January 7, 2013 at 3:06 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
What can “biblical manhood” possibly mean, if not a return to the Taliban or the Bronze Age? Yeah, we can see how much more prosperous that’s making the Afghans, can’t we?
jakc
January 7, 2013 at 3:06 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Is it really accurate to say that the majority of men did not vote for Obama? Surely that’s true of white men, but is it an accurate measure of how all American men voted?
w00dview
January 7, 2013 at 3:15 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Hmm, if socialists are such softy wofty weenies then why are wingnuts so terrified of them? It would be like a shark cowering in fear at the sight of a sardine. Can’t the wingnuts protect the US from wimpy (yet totally evil and powerful) socialists through their sheer manliness? If socialists are such pushovers then there would be actually be no need to fear them since the chances of them taking over would be miniscule. So again, why shit your pants over them? Incidentally, I find grown men doing this sort of macho posturing to be unbelievably pathetic. I stopped that shit when I was 16 for god’s sake. All this obsession with manliness reeks of insecurity.
holytape
January 7, 2013 at 3:18 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
The same men who think that womandate is a clever put down, are also the same men who are agree that no woman will date them.
bobafuct
January 7, 2013 at 3:23 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
“The men didn’t vote for him, it was the women who voted for him, which is why he’s their ‘Man of the Year.”
Apparently my hetero-married, white, middle class, male vote for the President wasn’t counted, nor were those of all my hetero-married, white, middle class male friends. Maybe I’ll send a letter to my local Board of Elections.
davidct
January 7, 2013 at 3:41 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
It does not say much for any general historical knowledge on the part of these blowhards. So far it seems clear that the president is right of center on almost every issue. Now that conservative is really just another word for “reactionary” he has now morphed into a “Marxist”.
It is interesting that these folks have yet to realize that while the Republicans lost big to women and minorities, they have also lost the support of many white men. They played well with poor whites but they have pushed away many of the educated upper middle who actually vote. The louder the wingnuts the weaker the support in this group.
footface
January 7, 2013 at 3:44 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
What a bunch of bed-wetters. Do these Chicken Littles actually believe Obama is this big, bad bogeyman who wants to (and will!) fundamentally transform American society by destroying the family, upending capitalism, and forcing Christians into the closet?
Their paranoia can’t all be because Obama’s black? Can it?
eric
January 7, 2013 at 3:48 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
So go do it then. It strikes me that the male stereotype they are trying to reinforce would not sit around on the radio whining that they need to replace the President in order to rebuild their own family.
“Oh, woe is us. We cannot accomplish our goal of becoming strong independent fathers without a government official who will tell us how to do that” strikes me as just a little bit hypocritical.
some bastard on the net
January 7, 2013 at 3:49 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Now, why in the world would that be? Surely women don’t have a deep mistrust of the patriarchy that pays them less and tries to reduce their status to kitchen-bound baby-maker. That would just be silly.
/snark
Larry
January 7, 2013 at 3:50 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Of course not. They’re all lesbians, donchaknow.
steve oberski
January 7, 2013 at 3:53 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
@jakc
My suspicion would be that the folks who brought you the talking point “womendate” also have some fairly “biblical” views on what constitutes an American man, and white is pretty high up on a very short list.
And if they had their way, white male xtian landowners would be the only voters. Until they did away with voting.
Rodney Nelson
January 7, 2013 at 4:25 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
According to CNN, based on exit polls, 52% of men voted for Romney and 47% voted for Obama (the rest are “other” and “no answer”). 55% of women voted for Obama and 44% voted for Romney.
Gretchen
January 7, 2013 at 4:35 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
They’re not the grown men using baby talk, buddy.
iknklast
January 7, 2013 at 4:48 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
So far as the wingnuts are concerned, I don’t think women even count as people.
scienceavenger
January 7, 2013 at 4:50 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
A “Biblical manhood” would insist that women learn in all submission and silence, and to never have authority over a man, for starters. And can you imagine how much bedwetting there would be in Kevin and Dave’s world if we got a president who actually was a Marxist?
timgueguen
January 7, 2013 at 4:54 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Somehow | doubt they want to bring back the “Blblical manhood” that allowed men to have as many wives/concuines as they could afford.
Audley Z. Darkheart (liar, scoundrel, broski)
January 7, 2013 at 5:13 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Wrong type of man, silly! We all know the only legitimate voters are white men, duh.
caseloweraz
January 7, 2013 at 5:25 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Buehner: “The men didn’t vote for him, it was the women who voted for him, which is why he’s their ‘Man of the Year.’ “
I wonder if he means to include conservative women in this blanket statement. Phyllis Schlafly might have something to say about that.
david
January 7, 2013 at 6:06 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
“unless we bring back manhood, a biblical manhood, we are going to be a bunch of softy-wofty, weeny…”
There are meds to fix that, nowadays.
allytude
January 7, 2013 at 6:12 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
..but , but with a womandate, he is straight.. so not part of the gay agenda…….
jnorris
January 7, 2013 at 7:54 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Notice how you never see Barak Obama and Kim Jong-Un together.
Rip Steakface
January 7, 2013 at 9:02 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Don’t worry, little wingnut. One day, you too may get a date with a woman, apparently known to you as a womandate.
billdaniels
January 7, 2013 at 10:08 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Was he talking about Groucho, Harpo, or Richard Marx? If Karl Marx had never existed the Right Wing would invent him.
If anyone has any young men who need rebuilding, I will gladly volunteer to help them.
F [disappearing]
January 7, 2013 at 10:28 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Well, duh. Everyone needs to quit expecting the President or any other part of gov to “fix” economic things. There’s your flippin’ fascio-commu-socialism right there. No, the President can’t do a goddamned thing about the price of petrol.
What you need to do, especially you reputedly family-orientated bottom-up conservatives, so as not to be constantly hypocritical, is to start raising your children and prodding the incumbent money-owners to use capitalism ethically and for the greater good.
hypatiasdaughter
January 7, 2013 at 10:34 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
#16 eric
But that’s how manhood works (for the kind of men who are insecure about their manhood)
“I am the man. I am smarter than the woman. I am stronger than the woman. I am braver than the woman. I have more power and authority than the woman……. So, please, dear won’t you pretend to be dumber, weaker, more cowardly and submissive so I can pretend to be superior to you? Pretty please, with sugar on top?”
It makesme glad that there are women like Michelle Bachman, Phyllis Schlafly and women of faux news to marry twits like this and spare the rest of us.
dingojack
January 7, 2013 at 10:47 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
“That’s what’s going to happen. It’s going to be the single women that run most of the households in America voting and they almost always vote more socialist, more government, more communist, because they find their security in the state and not in the social structure of that family.”.
Translation:
“Waaaaah! The wimmenz* ain’t gunna take being slapped around no more, cuz they don’t hafta cum crawling back. Theyz got their own life. MANLY MENZ (like me) ARE LOSING ABSOLUTE CONTROL. Waaaaaah!!1!”
Yes – real manly men indeed. @@
Dingo
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* not that they’ve ever had an adult relationship with a women. No doubt that’s because ‘they won’t date me, CUZ THEY”RE ALL LESBIANS!!! (And they’ve got girl germs and cooties)’
Dalillama, Schmott Guy
January 8, 2013 at 12:48 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Women, dark-skinned people, gays, non christians; in wingnut land none of them are citizens.
anubisprime
January 8, 2013 at 2:17 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
The rhetoric sounds exactly like a couple of thick jocks leering at the passing girls and smoking a ‘doobie’ in the bike sheds while skipping class!
These folks are mentally impaired by brain damage sustained by bullying the ‘nerds’ to do their homework for them!
Robert Bauer
January 8, 2013 at 3:12 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Well, that’s nice. I wouldn’t want our doom to be all gelatinous and squishy.
StevoR, fallible human being
January 8, 2013 at 5:55 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
@ ^ Robert Bauer : i dunno. If our doom was all squishy could’nt we, well ..squish it!
@15. footface :
Well no. You gotta give the Faux “news” folks some credit for that too after all ..
@11. w00dview :
Chronic explosive diarrhoea linked to emotional control and psychological pavlonian conditioning issues maybe?
matty1
January 8, 2013 at 7:27 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Karl Marx is their inspiration, in wingnut world a powerful elite are suppressing the downtrodden true majority who will one day rise up in violent revolution and bring about paradise on earth. Sounds familiar? Many of them even have the bit about how The Party with red banners flying will lead the revolution.
Nick Gotts (formerly KG)
January 8, 2013 at 7:55 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Er, what? Most of the Bible is surely set either in present-day Israel, where the majority are Jews, or in the occupied west bank or Gaza, where the majority are Muslims, but there are many Christian Palestinians. Nowhere in the Middle East, other than perhaps Iraq, is there systematic persecution of Christians.
dingojack
January 8, 2013 at 8:11 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Well except for the Egyptian bit and the Babylonian Captivity thing…
:) Dingo
Christoph Burschka
January 8, 2013 at 8:39 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
What is their problem with having a woman-date rather than a man-date? Wouldn’t they object to the latter far more based on their raging homophobia? :-P
eric
January 8, 2013 at 8:49 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
jakc @10:
According to CNN exit polls:
All men: 52% Romney, 45% Obama
White men: 62% Romney, 35% Obama
Black men: ?? Romney, 87% Obama (the graphic is hard to read)
Latino men: 33% Romney, 65% Obama.
So, yes and no. It IS accurate to say that collectively, considering all men, the majority voted for Romney. But you are right that if you look at different groups of men by self-reported race, then only white men voted majority Romney.
Nick Gotts (formerly KG)
January 8, 2013 at 12:33 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
dingojack@41,
As I said: most of the Bible. The episodes you mention can’t total more than a few percent.
slc1
January 8, 2013 at 12:43 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Re Nick Gotts @ #40
Christians have been systematically expelled from the Gaza Strip by the Hamas terrorist government there.
steve oberski
January 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Nick Gotts (formerly KG) @#40
Locales where a biblically themed lifestyle is still pursued.
Where tribal, bronze age, patriarchal, misogynistic and homophobic mores are still in effect.
Where women are still stoned for adultery, female children are sexually mutilated, homosexuals are routinely imprisoned and executed.
That sort of biblical location.