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Staver: Marriage Equality = Civil War

Sometimes it seems like the wingnuts have a competition going to see which one can come up with the most hyperbolic and inane result of same-sex marriage. One person says it will destroy marriage so the next one says it will destroy America and the next one ups the ante to destroying civilization itself. Here’s Mat Staver, the dean of Liberty University Law School, with his entry in the sweepstakes:

Staver: Basically marriage will be completely destroyed, families will be destroyed, children will be hurt by this and freedom of speech and freedom of religion, including in the pulpit itself, will absolutely be bulldozed over. This would open a floodgate of unimaginable proportions. That’s why with those kinds of consequences to have five of the nine justices ultimately have this kind of power in their hands, that’s not how this court and this country was established, to have five individuals to be able to have that kind of catastrophic, social reengineering power in their hands, that’s just not something that was envisioned by the founders.

Parshall: Absolutely right. God hasn’t given us a spirit of fear but of power and of love and of a sound mind so we need to be in prayer, but I also think we need to be preparing our hearts as well Mat that if in fact the Supreme Court decides to trample underfoot the truth of God’s word, we as a church are going have to decide what we’re going to do. Mat, you know I’m going to appeal to your pastor’s heart, that means that every single pastor who is called to hold out the word of life is going to have to decide whether or not he is going to sidestep certain passages for fear of some sort of response from the government.

Staver: This is the thing that revolutions literally are made of. This would be more devastating to our freedom, to our religious freedom, to the rights of pastors and their duty to be able to speak and to Christians around the country, then anything that the revolutionaries during the American Revolution even dreamed of facing. This would be the thing that revolutions are made of. This could split the country right in two. This could cause another civil war. I’m not talking about just people protesting in the streets, this could be that level because what would ultimately happen is a direct collision would immediately happen with pastors, with churches, with Christians, with Christian ministries, with other businesses, it would be an avalanche that would go across the country.

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes…The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria! Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

Comments

  1. bobafuct says

    Does this happen before or after the “Thousand Years of Darkness” (TYOD) that Chuck Norris promised would happen if President Obama was re-elected? Or does this civil war maybe precipitate the TYOD or maybe they’re concurrent? So many doomsday prophecies I’m having a hard time getting the timeline worked out.

  2. matty1 says

    I’ve tried to find an argument in there and as near as I can get it goes like this

    They believe that making same sex marriage legal is the same thing as making it illegal to refer to anti-gay Bible verses. Why they think these two separate things are linked in this way is not clear.

    They then argue that the prospect of this (fictional) ban on mentioning certain bits of the Bible will so horrify large numbers of people that they will engage in violent revolution to restore their right to say “Leviticus, isn’t the deli opposite the pharmacist?” and other such vital exercises of freedom.

  3. petern says

    You know, we’ve had marriage equality here in Iowa since 2009, and I haven’t noticed any of those things happening.

  4. eric says

    Staver:

    That’s why with those kinds of consequences to have five of the nine justices ultimately have this kind of power in their hands, that’s not how this court and this country was established, to have five individuals to be able to have that kind of catastrophic, social reengineering power in their hands, that’s just not something that was envisioned by the founders.

    US Constitution:

    The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under
    this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made…

  5. anubisprime says

    They are sounding more like kiddies everyday…methinks it is an example of evolution in reverse!

    They will be sucking thumbs soon as the grown ups take away their favourite toys/bigotries!

  6. says

    I think the one-upmanship will end only when someone takes a page from “Ghostbusters:” “Imagine every heterosexual relationahip in history suddenly reversing itself and exploding at the speed of light! Total annihilation of the Universe!”

  7. MikeMa says

    I think the problem with the escalating doom is that as every prediction falls flat, every exhortation results in nothing, they risk losing the saner fringe of their followers. That cut in income drivs them to greater heights depths.

  8. dingojack says

    Tearing the country in half?
    More like tearing it into the more than half on the right side of the history, the remnant of aging, white, privileged, religious conservatives and bigots, and the rest who couldn’t be arsed or don’t support (that brand) of wacko.
    Not much of a civil war really.
    Dingo

  9. Moggie says

    Such a fragile place, the USA. Other countries which have introduced marriage equality have survived unscathed, but apparently America is built like a Ford Pinto: one knock and it goes boom.

  10. davidct says

    All these preachers have to do to insure their freedom to say what they want is to give up their tax free status. I don’t see that sort of moral conviction. Why should they worry since god will look out for them. Which is more important god or beneficial tax status? These holy hypocrites have that very clear. They want real government favor over the favor of a god who shows every sign of being unreliable if not actually unreal.

  11. hunter says

    “God hasn’t given us a spirit of fear. . . .”

    Fear is what their careers are built on.

    What’s going to happen if the Supreme Court dumps Prop 8 and dumps section 3 of DOMA is that most people will say, “Did they really? Oh, OK.” and go on about their lives as though nothing had happened, because for most of them, nothing will have happened. For the rest, they will then be able to be just like real people.

  12. jnorris says

    Trouble, oh we got trouble,
    Right here in River City!
    With a capital “T”
    That rhymes with “G”
    And that stands for Ghey!

  13. says

    Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes…The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria! Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

    Ok, that’s bad. Important safety tip. Thanks, Mat.

  14. says

    Marriage equality is going to create a supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy, which will eventually suck everything (including light) into it.

  15. says

    This would open a floodgate of unimaginable proportions.

    There’s no water behind it. They though there was some water, but it turned out to be a parade. Nice work on the floodgate, though.
     
    MikeMa “I think the problem with the escalating doom is that as every prediction falls flat, every exhortation results in nothing, they risk losing the saner fringe of their followers.”
    Yes, if this keeps up they’ll have to change their name and go on as though nothing happened. Pity, “Seventh Day Adventist” is already taken.

  16. says

    Well where did you get it from then?

    I got my spirit of fear by digging out some of the stuff under the refrigerator, rolling it up really tightly, and letting it ferment in a dark place.

  17. Didaktylos says

    Marcus Ranum: Gay Marriage is much more ambitious than that: it’s Davros’ Reality Bomb …

  18. says

    Actually, I think he may be right. Look at the extremist, violent rhetoric being spewed by hard right wing religious leaders almost every day. Many of these people have large followings. Extremist Christianity has come to dominate key parts of the country’s chain of command. I don’t think it is a stretch that before too long, one of these nutters will give the word and armed revolt will occur.

    However, marriage equality — or racial equality or women’s rights or some other “liberal commie plot” — will be the excuse used by Dominionists to make their bid for control. The actual reason will be the theocrats’ pathological need to be in control.

  19. says

    Every time someone mentions gay mariage, these loonies inevitably start raving about “floodgates.” Makes me wonder what sort of fantasies it’s triggering in their fevered little minds…

  20. anubisprime says

    After re-reading the screed…it stinks of just plain juvenile wishful thinking taken down to the jeebus drool level!
    It is scare mongering to the nth degree, and I do detect an undertone of a plaintive whine encouraging the final ‘noble’ stand of xtianity there!

    They all know they are for the tar-pit and the last action that a wounded shit house rat driven insane with fear and getting caught being vile is to lash out and claw anything in range.
    This sort of rhetoric is four square on the hysterical, it is also a sure sign that they know it and don’t give a monkey’s any-more, because the intended audience is mentally as balanced as a sick flamingo on the fence!
    Now they just hope to take with them anyone they can ensnare in malevolence…misery loves company apparently!

  21. says

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    Doo-doo we-doo. We-doo.
    Ghostbusters!

  22. says

    “That’s why with those kinds of consequences to have five of the nine justices ultimately have this kind of power in their hands, that’s not how this court and this country was established, to have five individuals to be able to have that kind of catastrophic, social reengineering power in their hands, that’s just not something that was envisioned by the founders.”
    I bet they said the exact same things about civil rights, giving women the right to vote, and social security.
    #10: It’s because we’re special in the eyes of god.
    Question: Why would a deity even need eyes?

  23. says

    @10

    Such a fragile place, the USA. Other countries which have introduced marriage equality have survived unscathed, but apparently America is built like a Ford Pinto: one knock in the rear and it goes boom.

    Fixed, italics for emphasis, tehehehehe.

  24. Draken says

    @Modusoperandi:

    Pity, “Seventh Day Adventist” is already taken.

    “Seventh Day Inadvertentist”, then?

  25. raven says

    Such a fragile place, the USA. Other countries which have introduced marriage equality have survived unscathed, but apparently America is built like a Ford Pinto: one knock and it goes boom.

    That is because the USA is god’s favorite country, the land of the New Covenant.

    Being god’s favorite country is always a disaster. Look at what happened to his last favorite country, ancient Israel and its inhabitants. 2500 years of being overrun, persecuted, and massacred.

  26. scienceavenger says

    It sounds like they are talking about voodoo or something, as if uttering the words “I now pronounce you husband and husband” will magically…what…cause my wedding ring to evaporate off my finger? Give my wife and I selective amnesia where we forget about our love and dedication to each other? Sounds like they’ve been taking some Dr. Who episodes too seriously, or are off their meds.

  27. bobmunck says

    At least they haven’t yet realized that gay marriage is going to cause the Andromeda Galaxy to crash into us. Dark Matter IS gay marriage.

  28. typecaster says

    They really are hoping and praying for a new civil war.

    And why shouldn’t they? After all, the last one worked out so well for them.
    .

    …but apparently America is built like a Ford Pinto: one knock and it goes boom.

    Sadly, this turns out to be one of those things that everyone knows, but just isn’t so.
    Link.

  29. John Hinkle says

    …ultimately happen is a direct collision would immediately happen with pastors, with churches, with Christians, with Christian ministries, with other [Christian or religious] businesses,

    Hmm, 4 out of 5 of those mentioned have the function of extracting money from people for woo-ware. They have an intense fear that the dissolution of one of their main scare topics, marriage equality, will put a huge dent in donations. They can dream on about people revolting – I’m sure they themselves wouldn’t take up arms – but in the end their primary concern is that someday (soon) they may have to go out and get real jobs.

  30. raven says

    but in the end their primary concern is that someday (soon) they may have to go out and get real jobs.

    Naw.

    They will find some other groups to hate. There are already so many on their list.

    Fundie xianity just taps into the dark side of human nature.

  31. Sastra says

    Sometimes it seems like the wingnuts have a competition going to see which one can come up with the most hyperbolic and inane result of same-sex marriage.

    Next up: “if gay marriage is upheld then Jesus Christ is going to be crucified AGAIN!”

    Also, God may lift His Hand of Protection from the universe and it will simply blink out. Assuming, of course, that gay marriage has not succeeded in actually killing off God!

    Think how awful it would be, if there were no God up there answering prayers all the time. Why, it would look … well, pretty much as it does now, I guess.

  32. baal says

    “. God hasn’t given us a spirit of fear

    This could split the country right in two. This could cause another civil war”

    um I did do a little edit but all the extreme language does come off as fearfulness from you two

    also

    The problem of extremist language is that you do need to get more and more looney to maintain the definition of ‘extreme.’ If everyone is doing it, it’s not extreme. So save yourselves the mockery and keep your complaining in line with the facts available.

  33. dan4 says

    And Staver was the guy who was complaining about Jimmy Hoffa Jr.’s “bombastic rhetoric.”

  34. jnorris says

    Same-gender wedding rings are made in Mount Doom in the Land of Mordor. At least I hope so because that would be so awesome!

  35. StevoR, fallible human being says

    Gotta say. For a second there I read the word “Staver” in the title as”Slaver” – and that seems apt.

  36. StevoR, fallible human being says

    Sometimes it seems like the wingnuts have a competition going to see which one can come up with the most hyperbolic and inane result of same-sex marriage. One person says it will destroy marriage so the next one says it will destroy America and the next one ups the ante to destroying civilization itself.

    Hoo, yeah. Yes indeed.

  37. dingojack says

    Jnorris –
    “One ring to rule them, all,one ring to find them,
    One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.”
    Dingo

  38. Taz says

    I don’t think it is a stretch that before too long, one of these nutters will give the word and armed revolt will occur.

    The result of which could be occupation of the local post office for up to a week.

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