Bigot Offers Bizarre Argument Against Marriage Equality

Paul Caprio, leader of a new coalition of “pro-family” (read: anti-gay) groups in Illinois that is fighting an initiative to legalize same-sex marriage in that state, went on Sandy Rios’ American Family Association radio show recently and offered this bizarre, rambling argument against gay marriage — including something about that state’s high murder rate.

We think it’s important that we block this in the state of Illinois. We know that there have been several referendums recently in other more progressive states, frankly more liberal states, where this has passed by narrow margins, but we feel that it’s very important to stand up. You know, it’s interesting, when you stop to think about it what should the interest of the state be relative to the issue of marriage? The state, more than anyone, should be looking at marriage in terms of protection of children if for no other reason that if children are not protected, and children need foster care or they need DCF [Department for Children and Families] assistance, it costs the state so much more money. Just looking at it from the point of view from the state, not the point of view that we look at things from, including the moral perspective of this issue, but it’s really interesting when you stop to think about it. Chicago, it was announced yesterday, is murder capital of the United States: 506 murders. We have the second highest unwed—or children out of wedlock birth rate, of any major city in the United States, right behind Detroit. All of these things are for reasons and one of the major reasons is the breakdown and the lack of a stable family for children.

Two fascinating things about that statement. First, the usual argument we hear from right wingers is about the big bad evil government crushing individual rights, but this guy wants you to think first about the government’s authority. Second, why doesn’t his argument apply to the children of gay people? As Jamie Kilstein so brilliantly puts it, “If you think that a child should only be raised by a married couple, then I have an idea — let the gays marry, asshole.”

Comments

  1. Rodney Nelson says

    As Jamie Kilstein so brilliantly puts it, “If you think that a child should only be raised by a married couple, then I have an idea — let the gays marry, asshole.”

    +1 to Mr. Kilstein!

  2. davidworthington says

    Every one of the problems he claims, in the places that he claims them, have developed in states without marriage equality. The problem, it seems, is allowing heterosexual marriage.

  3. Alverant says

    I got a polling call from those guys last week. They weren’t interested in my opinion after I told them homosexuals should be allowed to get married.

  4. John Hinkle says

    We think it’s important that we block this in the state of Illinois.

    And by that he means, We think we can raise a boatload of cold hard cabbage in the state of Illinois.

  5. says

    “Well, we could promote stable families, with a strong and deep social safety net, socialized healthcare, good schools, subsidized university education, and enough good jobs that most families won’t need both parents worki…”
    “Or we could hate fags!”
    “Brilliant! Meeting adjourned.”

  6. jnorris says

    Illinois does not have same-gender marriage and the state is a real crappy place to live. So continuing to prevent same-gender marriage will make things better. There has to be more there than Paul Caprio is telling us, like how not having same-gender marriage causes murder. North Carolina forbade SGM in its constitution and there are still murders here.

  7. thalwen says

    So…gay people tend to adopt and foster, and adopt and foster non-babies, non-white kids, kids with AIDS etc.. and DCF needs stable homes to put kids in… how is this an argument against gay marriage again?

  8. says

    ” The state, more than anyone, should be looking at marriage in terms of protection of children if for no other reason that if children are not protected, and children need foster care or they need DCF [Department for Children and Families] assistance, it costs the state so much more money”

    And how is this aggravated by letting same sex couples marry? Most don’t have children, and when they do, they have two parents.

    It seems like what you need it so abolish divorce, not ban gay marriage.

  9. Sastra says

    Perhaps someone should propose a new idea to Caprio: gays can be allowed to marry in Illinois ONLY IF they agree to adopt or foster children. I’m sure that when he thinks it over he’ll realize that this is exactly the sort of bill he should back, given his argument.

    If not, then drop the argument. Nitwit.

  10. says

    Why is it that the same people who attack gay marriage because we need children are also the rabid anti-immigration crowd?

  11. says

    I don’t get why the anti-gay marriage people think a high percentage of out of wedlock births is an argument in their favor. What group has a lower percentage of unplanned pregnancies than gay couples?

  12. zmidponk says

    This is truly weird. It’s as if Caprio has tried to apply the old ‘correlation equals causation’ canard – but totally ballsed it up. If I’m reading his argument correctly, all these bad things happening is proof that they’re caused by gay marriage, even though gay marriage is blocked in the area he’s referring to (unless, of course, Chicago was moved out of Illinois whilst I wasn’t looking). Either that, or he’s just wibbling utterly nonsensical noise.

  13. says

    I’ve already heard the likes of Caprio, Cardinal George and at least one wingnut preacher of an African-American stripe* yammer away about how this would be such a bad thing, but that quote from Caprio is a classic. Talk about using a complete non-sequitur to run away from actual discussion of an issue.

    (*he used the “gay marriage isn’t a civil rights issue because no one’s getting lynched” canard, as if there simply hasn’t ever been this phenomenon called gay-bashing in the past. No sirree, Bob.)

Leave a Reply