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Dec 26 2012

‘Prophets’ Admit Election Mistake

Prior to the election we had a steady string of “prophets,” most of them association with the New Apostolic Reformation, offering a steady stream of dreams and visions that showed them that Romney would defeat Obama. Now that it’s over, they’ve got some splainin’ to do. Rick Joyner, you’re up:

Because the 2012 elections continue to be a source of confusion to many, we will address a couple of more lessons to learn from this to finish out this year. Then we will begin the New Year with possibly unprecedented opportunities to see our nation turn to the Lord for the greatest harvest in history.

I know a lot of prophetic people who fully expected Romney to win the election. Of those I communicated with about the election, I do not know of any who gave a prophecy that Romney would win, but it was an almost universal opinion. I did not even seek a word from the Lord about it myself because I felt that I already had His opinion. That was a huge presumption.

Bob Jones had an encounter with the Lord on January 16, 2012 in which the Lord asked him what he thought about having a Mormon for President. This was long before the Republican nomination had been decided, and Bob’s response was that he did not think very much of it. Bob held to that opinion until after the nomination was won by Romney, and then he believed that he must have been wrong and that Romney must be God’s choice. After the election, he realized how he had let his own opinions cancel out what the Lord was trying to show him in the first place.

Bob is the most seasoned and wise prophetic person I know, and in great wisdom, he embraced this correction. Even the greatest prophets still see in part and prophesy in part. We have had many prophetic words come true exactly as they were given, but we misinterpreted them until they were fulfilled. I still consider interpretation one of the greatest weaknesses in the prophetic ministry, but it was also this way throughout history, including biblical history. Even so, I believe we must do better with interpreting what we are being shown prophetically.

Some would interpret the question that Bob was asked by the Lord to mean that the Lord did not want a Mormon as President, but that is not what the Lord said either. In fact, the Lord did not say anything, but just asked a question. That question may have been the ultimate question that in fact decided the election. Maybe we should have spent far more attention trying to answer that question than we did. I’m not saying that it was, but it could have been. Romney could have been God’s choice, but I know many good Christians who did not vote because they said they could not vote for a Mormon.

This past election was too good of an opportunity to learn to sweep it under the rug. I feel that I have learned something profound almost every day since the election. Wisdom and understanding are worth much more than gold or silver. I am sorry that we did not do better in understanding this election, but I love the correction because of what I’m learning. If we learn our lessons from this, they could save us in far more crucial times to come. I hope this is helpful, and I have a bit more to share next week.

How about “we’re just full of shit”?

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  1. 1
    slc1

    Maybe they should have been reading Nate Silver instead of the (not) holy bible.

  2. 2
    Drew

    Pat Robertson said that god told him Romney would win the election.

  3. 3
    peterh

    One of these nutters publicly admitting to presumption? Maybe there’s hope for the human race after all.

  4. 4
    Johnny Vector

    He keeps using that word “learning”. Mandy Patinkin, paging Mandy Patinkin.

  5. 5
    Kevin, Youhao Huo Mao

    Shouldn’t you also put “admit” in quotation marks, since they admitted bupkiss.

  6. 6
    fifthdentist

    “Bob Jones had an encounter with the Lord on January 16, 2012 in which the Lord asked him what he thought about having a Mormon for President.”

    Bwahahaha! Yeah, if he existed, I’m pretty sure Bob Fucking Jones is the LAST person whose opinion “the Lord” would seek out.

    I shouldn’t laugh; last week Jesus asked me if I thought the Packers would cover the spread. I told him to bet big on Green Bay, but at the last minute he flipped all his money to the Titans and took a shellacking.

  7. 7
    Michael Heath

    Rick Joyner writes:

    Some would interpret the question that Bob was asked by the Lord to mean that the Lord did not want a Mormon as President, but that is not what the Lord said either. In fact, the Lord did not say anything, but just asked a question.
    [emphasis mine - MH]

    What an idiot.

    Rick Joyner writes:

    I know many good Christians who did not vote because they said they could not vote for a Mormon.

    One of the biggest acts of denialism by conservative Christians is their denial that Barack Obama is a Christian, as illustrated here. This type of denialism also reveals how strong their delusional is since it’s the denial of a contemporaneous fact. How can we expect them to accept historical facts when they can’t accept current facts?

    It’s also ironic that YECs deny or avoid the fact Mr. Obama is a Christian. That’s because they’re particularly fond of the, “You weren’t there and didn’t see what happen!”, trope to deny past facts inconvenient to their creationists beliefs. Here we encounter denialism that suggests even if they could be transported back in time in a way that would allow them to watch evolution unfold, they’d still deny it.

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    Moggie

    Some would interpret the question that Bob was asked by the Lord to mean that the Lord did not want a Mormon as President, but that is not what the Lord said either. In fact, the Lord did not say anything, but just asked a question.

    That’s pretty trollish behaviour by God, don’t you think? JAQing off is tiresome behaviour in comment threads; when your god starts doing it, it’s time to killfile the bugger and move on.

  9. 9
    alanb

    I feel that I have learned something profound almost every day since the election. I can’t wait to see what that is. So far I have yet to see any insightful reflection from the right on the election outcome. It’s “there are more stupid, clueless people in this country than we thought,” or “they are all children who want Daddy Obama to give them presents,” or “we didn’t do a good enough getting our message out.” It’s always interesting to see how the Party of Personal Responsibility deals with error.

  10. 10
    Gregory in Seattle

    The Bible is very, very clear about how we should treat false prophets. (Picks up a stone.)

  11. 11
    Zeno

    God is a dick who plays tricks on his followers. Got it. At last a message from the religious right that sounds reasonable.

  12. 12
    thisisaturingtest

    We have had many prophetic words come true exactly as they were given, but we misinterpreted them until they were fulfilled.

    Translation: “We didn’t know how to spin our bullshit because we didn’t really know what was going to happen until it happened.”

  13. 13
    pamsmigh

    So, I guess now that God has made Obama president, they can begin to accommodate themselves to God’s will. Right? Right? Or is it only “God’s will” when it’s what they want and “work of the demon” when it’s not.

  14. 14
    John Hinkle

    My eyes glazed over reading that babble-loaded quote. I guess you gotta flap your lips a lot when your prophecy goes awry. Better than saying, man, how could I – one who is connected to the Big Guy – get that dead wrong? I mean, not just partially wrong, but 100% wrong? Jeez, maybe there is no God after all. Oh well, time to find a real job.

  15. 15
    Michael Heath

    alanb writes:

    Party of Personal Responsibility [GOP]

    The GOP’s no longer taking responsibility for their actions is a primary reason why I started voting more for Dems in the early-2000s and left the party in 2008. By that time the Democrats had directly confronted their past sins and adapted to a far more competent party, at least at the national level and many state levels though not all (e.g., Michigan urban areas).

    This emergent GOP attribute of denying their responsibility seems to me to be explained by the migration of southern conservatives and ultimately, dominance by conservative authoritarians. But individuals also changed for the worse, where the merging of political conservatism with theologically conservative Christianity explains their lack of responsibility and other character failures well. The best of the party, the moderate wing, is of course now effectively extinct. There was a day when conservatism ≠ Republican, those days are now self-evidently gone.

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    slc1

    Re Michael Heath @ #7

    Actually, many creationists consider that anyone who accepts the Theory of Evolution is not a Christian. Over at Panda’s Thumb, a fucktard calling himself Ray Martinez made such a claim, stating that Ken Miller, Judge John Jones, and the pastor of Judge Jones church were not Christians. As I pointed out to him, this would also exclude Francis Collins and David Heddle as Christians.

    http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2012/12/major-holidays.html#comments

  17. 17
    Modusoperandi

    Weird how the voice in one’s head is no more accurate than the non-voice in one’s head. Probably just a coincidence.
    -
    alanb “It’s always interesting to see how the Party of Personal Responsibility deals with error.”
    Oh, come on! They “lost” the election because other people aren’t as responsible as they are. You can’t get more personal than pointing fingers.

  18. 18
    iangould

    “but I love the correction because of what I’m learning”

    Yes, “love the correction ” when marriage equality doesn’t destroy “traditional marriage” and when the ban on semi-auto long-arms does”n’ lead to tyranny.

  19. 19
    Didaktylos

    If we were quote miners, what an opportunity that passage presents:

    In fact, the Lord did not say anything

  20. 20
    Nick Gotts

    Bob Jones had an encounter with the Lord on January 16, 2012 in which the Lord asked him what he thought about having a Mormon for President. This was long before the Republican nomination had been decided, and Bob’s response was that he did not think very much of it. Bob held to that opinion until after the nomination was won by Romney, and then he believed that he must have been wrong and that Romney must be God’s choice. After the election, he realized how he had let his own opinions cancel out what the Lord was trying to show him in the first place.

    Come on now – obviously, God was planning to make Romney President, but thought he’d better check it out with Bob Jones first.

  21. 21
    lldayo

    Am I wrong in thinking that Bob Jones has just been blamed for Romney not winning the presidency? Jones didn’t pass God’s test so, true to his biblical history, he punished everyone!

  22. 22
    yoav

    Bob Jones had an encounter with the Lord on January 16, 2012 in which the Lord asked him what he thought about having a Mormon for President. This was long before the Republican nomination had been decided, and Bob’s response was that he did not think very much of it.

    That explains it, clearly god being omnipotent and all couldn’t make mittens president unless he had Bob’s approval.

  23. 23
    busterggi

    “Bob Jones had an encounter with the Lord on January 16, 2012 in which the Lord asked him what he thought about having a Mormon for President. ”

    After 4.5 billion or six thousand years, depending on your worldview, its pretty sad that Yahweh still needs advice from someone like Bob Jones in order to run the universe.

  24. 24
    mishcakes

    “This past election was too good of an opportunity to learn to sweep it under the rug. I feel that I have learned something profound almost every day since the election. “

    I am waiting for a list of these profundities. Should be up to around 50 by now.

  25. 25
    raven

    The obvious explanation is that god wanted a xian to be president of his new favorite country.

    Obama is a xian while Romney isn’t. Taht Mormons aren’t xians is the opinion of half the xians and 3/4 of the priests and ministers.

    According to Romans 12, our leaders are to be obeyed because they are chosen by god. That is Obama for now.

    The New Apostles are a bunch of cafeteria xians. No surprise.

  26. 26
    Sastra

    Some would interpret the question that Bob was asked by the Lord to mean that the Lord did not want a Mormon as President, but that is not what the Lord said either. In fact, the Lord did not say anything, but just asked a question. That question may have been the ultimate question that in fact decided the election. Maybe we should have spent far more attention trying to answer that question than we did.

    I love this because it gave me a mental image of God as a Psycholoigist — not just any psychologist, but one of those often-parodied types of psychologists who never give advice, never give an opinion, never do anything but ask a lot of questions designed to prompt the client themselves to come up with insights and solutions.

    “What do you think? I see. Why is that? Explain. How would that work? Hmmm. Is that what you want? Go on. How do you feel about this? Uh huh. Could you tell me more? Ah. And then what? Okay. Continue…”

    Hey, God’s presence is useful! His help is important! I couldn’t do ANYTHING without Him! His guidance is crucial!

    God shows me the way! His way, not mine.

    Atheists just don’t have this valuable supernatural assistance.

  27. 27
    Modusoperandi

    Hold on. “Bob Jones”? Bob Jones III of Bob Jones University Bob Jones? Bob Jones III of Bob Jones University of Bob Jones University v. United States Bob Jones?

  28. 28
    d.c.wilson

    Bob’s encounters will Gawd sound really boring. I miss Oral Roberts. Now he had some wacky encounters with the owl mighty.

  29. 29
    grumpyoldfart

    Next time a prophet speaks to Jesus he shouldn’t ask for piddling little details about elections in the US. He should ask for solutions to the Clay Institute’s Millenium Prize Problems – they’re worth a million dollars each.
    http://www.claymath.org/millennium/
    `

  30. 30
    fifthdentist

    Or, Grumpy, winning lottery numbers. Those can be worth hundreds of millions.

  31. 31
    Susannah

    fifthdentist #30:

    Wouldn’t work. Jesus’ answers are about as accurate as a random choice would be. Or a lottery.

  32. 32
    Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    Bob Jones had an encounter with the Lord on January 16, 2012

    And here I thought Yahweh’s type was more the Middle-Eastern female teenagers…

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