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Dec 16 2012

Schlafly: Real Americans Voted Republican

Phyllis Schlafly may have told other women that their job was to stay at home barefoot and pregnant, but having a career as a wingnut heroine didn’t stop her from raising a bunch of little fundie spawn that mindlessly repeat her own stupidity and bigotry. Roger Schlafly is one of them, as you’ll see by reading this post at the Eagle Forum blog complaining that Protestants don’t completely control the country anymore:

After citing exit polls that showed that President Obama won the votes of those without strong (or any) religious beliefs, he says:

America was founded by WASPs — White Anglo-Saxon Protestants. They had nuclear families, attended church, and believed in the Protestant work ethic. Republicans are seen as believing in traditional American values.

Ah yes, those “traditional American values.” Like bigotry and discrimination against those who aren’t WASPs, and especially against LGBT people. At every single point in American history where progress has been made in making the country more free and equal — from ending slaver to women’s suffrage to civil rights for blacks to the gay rights movement — religious conservatives were the ones fighting like hell to preserve the status quo. Those “traditional values” were wrong then and they’re wrong now.

Democrats campaign largely by badmouthing traditional American values, and convincing various demographic groups that they are outside the Republican base, and hence better off voting Democrat. So non-whites, non-Christians, and non-marrieds vote Democrat out of group identifications. That is, they see it as being in their group interests to tear down traditional American culture.

Let me get out my wingnut to English dictionary: “WAAAAH! We used to control everything and now we don’t!” My heart bleeds.

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  1. 1
    Akira MacKenzie

    …and convincing various demographic groups that they are outside the Republican base, and hence better off voting Democrat.

    You didn’t need Democrats to convince “various demographics” that they weren’t welcome among a Republican base, Phyllis, you and your fellow flag-waving, Bible-humping, gay-bashing, fetus-fetishistic conservative friends did that all by themselves.

  2. 2
    kingdomoffife

    Yet, it is the Republicans (with their “traditional American values”) who have been signing petitions to leave the Union.

  3. 3
    Michael Heath

    My most stridently held position is my promotion we vociferously condemn and ostracize liars. I see lying as a root cause and major factor why:

    a) humans and life in general suffer needlessly and,
    b) what stops us from optimally flourishing.

    But my reaction to conservative Christians’ gross mischaracterization of Barack Obama gets me especially angry, their lies about him are taken personally by me.

    It’s personal because he’s the first presidential candidate or president with whom I personally identify. Sure his frame of reference comes from our being nearly the same age, but I personally identify with Alexander Hamilton and other historical figures so that doesn’t explain all of it. Even more so I identify with him because he:
    a) recognizes past policy successes and failures,
    b) seeks out to discover what history teaches us,
    c) seeks out and knows in general what the experts currently know and prescribe regarding critical topics, and
    d) is intimately aware of how the U.S. has conducted politics over the past several decades and how those dynamics have changed for better and worse.

    This framework is a distinctly apolitical perspective though of course the president is a very political creature with all the defects that comes with that; including ocasional dishonesty though far less than most in his field. But he almost always gets the premises right when confronting an issue. When he doesn’t, e.g., 4th and 5th Amendment matters, we have almost no information from him or the media to understand why, or insure additional premises exist he must consider which are hidden from us – which is partly his fault if true since he has a lot of power regarding the level of transparency we get from the Executive.

    So when conservative Christians go after President Obama as un-American in spite of the fact he convincingly demonstrates that he both understands and adheres to the principles of America’s founding better than any recent president in memory, they’re calling me un-American. When conservative Christians falsely claim the president is an enemy of the state because he acknowledges those defects which are harming Americans or other humans while he also recognize that history teaches us government has a role to play if we’re to overcome those defects and flourish, they’re accusing me – a fairly typical moderate circa 1975, as being an enemy of the state. And that really chaps my ass.

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    Dr X

    America was founded by WASPs — White Anglo-Saxon Protestants [...] Democrats campaign largely by …convincing various demographic groups that they are outside the Republican base, and hence better off voting Democrat.

    All by themselves, Republicans convince” various demographic groups” that they aren’t part of the Republican base. And Republicans are completely blind to how they do it, even while they’re complaining about various demographic groups not seeing themselves as Republicans.

  5. 5
    democommie

    Dear Roger Schittfly:

    I will consider voting republican when the ReiKKKwing of the party (currently, pretty much all of it) is small enough to smother with a standard issue U.S. flag (3′ x 5′) or drown in one of these

    (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.shccwv.us/tour/images-large/BaptismalFont.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.shccwv.us/tour/worshiparea.cfm&h=450&w=600&sz=59&tbnid=slV13RG9N3PgRM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=127&zoom=1&usg=__xUse7BQlLVg88-iMJJWgYIi8XIY=&docid=OhYhv-lAyfY6HM&sa=X&ei=Gu3NUPiGEuzH0AGYjIDIDQ&ved=0CF0Q9QEwAw&dur=413)

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    davidct

    Most of my life I have been a moderate Republican. The current policy makers in the party have made it clear that my views are not what the GOP now stands for. The odd thing is that they are largely those of President Obama and we are both now considered radical socialists. They wonder why the lost my vote.

  7. 7
    Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop!

    I would like to see a list of these traditional values and some examples. Like American exceptionalism, I do not think many people have a clear concept of what they are talking about.

  8. 8
    Ibis3, Let's burn some bridges

    @4
    I skimmed this comment quickly and it gave me a further insight. Schalfly says “America was founded by WASPs” except they didn’t do that all by themselves. They did it on the backs of black slave labour, on the bones of Native Americans, with Irish Catholic, Chinese, and Mexican workers, Northern and Eastern European farmers and so on. Even his initial statement excludes the “various demographic groups” from their rightful place as traditional Americans. Yet he expects them to see themselves as belonging to the Republican base?

  9. 9
    D. C. Sessions

    I take it that another of those “traditional American values” that we’re tearing down is “work hard to get ahead instead of coasting on your inheritance.”

  10. 10
    Ellie

    This WASP hasn’t voted for a Republican since 1992. Jack Quinn deeply disappointed me and I cannot see taking another chance like that any time in the foreseeable future.

  11. 11
    Argle Bargle

    America was founded by WASPs — White Anglo-Saxon Protestants.

    Roger is unfamiliar with the history of Maryland. In 1632 Lord Baltimore got a Royal Charter from Charles I to establish a Catholic colony in North America. While some people claim that Maryland was named after Charles’ wife, Henrietta Maria, the general consensus is it was named after the mother of Jesus. The first capital of the colony was St. Mary. But why let mere facts interfere with a right-wing nut rant?

  12. 12
    paulburnett

    Look how many Protestants are on the US Supreme Court: None.

  13. 13
    D. C. Sessions

    Forehead slap:

    I take it that another of those “traditional American values” that we’re tearing down is “work hard to get ahead instead of coasting on your inheritance.”

    Got turned around in bad editing. Should have been:
    I take it that another of those “traditional American values that we’re tearing down is “never mind working hard to get ahead when you have an inheritance and can get richer on the labors of others.”

  14. 14
    Modusoperandi

    Michael Heath “And that really chaps my ass.”
    Perhaps if you spent more time loving America and Freedom and America and less time on hating America and everything it stands for you’d see the truth about Barack Hussein Obama!
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    Dr X “All by themselves, Republicans convince’ various demographic groups’ that they aren’t part of the Republican base. And Republicans are completely blind to how they do it, even while they’re complaining about various demographic groups not seeing themselves as Republicans.”
    So you’re trying to tell us that “We can convince those shiftless negroes, lazy wetbacks and slutty whores to vote Republican by simply saying what we’ve always been saying, but more softly, so that our message to these non-Real Americans wins them over” is a poor way to reach them?
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    Ibis3, member of the Oppressed Sisterhood fanclub “I skimmed this comment quickly and it gave me a further insight. Schalfly says “America was founded by WASPs” except they didn’t do that all by themselves. They did it on the backs of black slave labour, on the bones of Native Americans, with Irish Catholic, Chinese, and Mexican workers, Northern and Eastern European farmers and so on.”
    But Clint Eastwood said “We built this country”. So there!

  15. 15
    raven

    complaining that Protestants don’t completely control the country anymore:

    The Protestants never did control the USA.

    Or at least the ones Roger Schlafly is talking about. Protestants are hopelessly divided and always have been. The mainline Protestants are the reverse of the fundie Protestants like Roger S.

    They are different enough that you can make a strong case that US xianity has evolved to the point of speciation and there are two different religions idolizing two different gods. One of the pastimes of xians like Schlafly is dividing xians into True xians and Fake xians.

    PS Schlfafly doesn’t sound like a WASP name. It looks Germanic to me. I’m not sure why he is even bothering to cry about the WASPs.

  16. 16
    alanuk

    Why does someone not say the obvious: Obama is a Protestant. (Romney is not even a christian – at least by Billy Graham’s standard – until he went over to the dark side himself.)

    White? Well in a country that would call anyone with a half-caste for a grandfather, ‘nigger’, I suppose not. But he is still as white as he is black.

    Anglo-Saxon? Well I suppose that he is as Anglo-Saxon as the majority of Americans.

    Protestant Work Ethic? Don’t forget that the Mayflower pilgrims relied of state hand-outs for their survival.

  17. 17
    redmann

    Both sides of my family go back to England in the 17th century, and ASFAIK, all protestants. So I’m as WASPY as can be and I despise what is now God’s Own (Tea) Party. Like Michael, their lies about Obama disgust me. My wife was always trying to get me to stop yelling at the TV when their campaign lies aired. I am surrounded by knee-jerk right wingers at work (I’m a government contractor working on a Navy base). I just keep my mouth shut because I don’t think it’s very professional to call all of your fellow workers stupid fuckwits. There are times when I’m totally depressed because I have to share this country with so many ignorant assholes who constantly bleat about how American and God fearing they are.

  18. 18
    Chiroptera

    Schlafly: America was founded by WASPs — White Anglo-Saxon Protestants.

    LOL. Did Schlafly just admit that his biggest problem with President Obama is that he’s black?

  19. 19
    caseloweraz

    Roger the dodger writes: “Democrats never persuade voters based on reason or logic. They gain voters by increasing government dependence and by promoting changes to immigration policy, family law, and schools that increase the population wanting to undermine Americanism.”

    Reason? Logic? He wouldn’t know those things even after he fell into a vat of pure Focal Fuel™. If I could I’d expose him to one of those blue crystals from Metabeles III, but I don’t think even that would be effective in clearing the clouds from his brain.

    “We used to have independent voters who decided elections by voting for who they thought were the better candidates.”

    News flash: We still do.

    “This election has convinced everyone that now elections are determined msinly (sic) by demographics.”

    That typo is in the original. Must have been a brsin fsrt.

    The first comment (and the only one from an outsider) takes him to task, saying “this is a racist rant that is bizarre even for you.”

    And Roger replies: “You are right that the voters were overwhelmingly Christian, but there were enough non-Christian voters to win the election for Obama.”

    Yep, that’s bizarre.

    Disclaimer: I am not connected with the folks who sell Focal Fuel™ and I have never used it. Whether it actually improves brain function, I have no idea. It may be no more useful than those blue crystals, which are not real. (REF: Doctor Who, “Planet of the Spiders.”)

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    caseloweraz

    Roger: “Republicans are seen as believing in traditional American values.”

    Not from where this seer is looking. My Christmas holiday wish is that all those conservative Republicans move to Colonial Williamsburg and put their vaunted “traditional American values” to work in the milieu for which they were intended.

  21. 21
    d.c.wilson

    Phyllis Schlafly’s brood seem determined to prove that stupid, reactionary bullshit is genetic.

    It’s amazing how far wingnuts are willing to ride that denial train.

    Here’s a clue for them: you didn’t lose because a majority of Americans like being dependent on the government. You lost because your hateful, divisive rhetoric doesn’t sell any more. Rodger is part right about the changing demographics, though. He’s just wrong about his interpretation. Republicans used to win based on a strategy of appealing to angry white Christian male resentment and ignoring everyone else. Those days are gone.

  22. 22
    Akira MacKenzie

    Wait a minute… Did I say ” Phyllis?” Whoops, sorry, wrong Schlafly.

  23. 23
    billdaniels

    Wait a fucking minute! The Sclafly’s are Catholic! Do they not understand what the “P” in WASP stands for?

  24. 24
    Michael Heath

    d.c. wilson writes:

    Phyllis Schlafly’s brood seem determined to prove that stupid, reactionary bullshit is genetic.

    Well no, the research I’ve encountered reading Bob Altemeyer’s work and Chris Mooney’s The Republican Brain reveals it’s actually learned. So Ms. Schlafly is directly responsible for the authoritarianism of her idiot children, they aren’t victims of bad luck but bad parenting.

  25. 25
    Modusoperandi

    billdaniels “The Sclafly’s are Catholic! Do they not understand what the ‘P’ in WASP stands for?”
    Papist.
    In any event, the chasm dividing RCs and Protestants has been erased (or, at least spackled over) by common goals (lust for the power of state) and common enemies (everybody but them). Don’t worry, should they actually achieve monopoly they’ll be back at each others throats in no time (“My authoritarian patriarchy!” “No, my authoritarian patriarchy!”).

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    psweet

    Does he have any readers in Maryland? That colony was started as a refuge for Catholics!

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