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Vox Day: Whites Should Secede

Vox Day’s latest column at the Worldnutdaily looks at far-right “independence” movements in the UK and elsewhere and suggests that they are models for what should happen in America as white people blame all the bad things on dark-skinned immigrants and demand the right to secede:

There can be little doubt that Cameron’s opinion of UKIP is but a pale shadow of the U.S. bifactional ruling party’s hatred and contempt for white Americans who still hold to traditional values, believe in their constitutional liberties and derive their sense of identity from historical America. They mock the secessionist petitioners in Texas and other states, celebrate the infestation of even the smallest American heartland towns by African, Asian and Aztec cultures, and engage in ruthless doublethink as they worship at the altar of a false and entirely nonexistent equality…

It also seems unlikely that the millions of Americans who have moved away from declining school systems, who have retreated from an increasingly vibrant communities, and who have fled from high-tax jurisdictions will continue to retreat as the people who destroyed their schools, their communities and their state budgets attempt to follow them.

They will not because they cannot. The frontiers are closed. There is nowhere else to go.

Bear in mind that this is written by someone who hasn’t lived in America for many years. In fact, he lives in Europe, surrounded by those terrible mongrel races he clearly despises so much because they lack those “traditional values” favored by “white Americans.”

Comments

  1. lancifer says

    I love this tiny window into his twisted little mind,

    “…celebrate the infestation of even the smallest American heartland towns by African, Asian and Aztec cultures…”

    I wonder if the nice folks that opened the El Jaripeo restaurant here in our small mid-western town realize they are an “Aztec infestation”.

    I look forward to other such tasty “infestations” and the people that will come with them.

  2. Abdul Alhazred says

    Never mid the other crap.

    Did he just claim that Mexicans are an “Aztec culture”? :)

  3. says

    “Aztec cultures”

    Down here in TX I can get an Aztec Chicken Salad (which is delicious and spicy, though I’ve always maintained it contains the still-beating hearts of virgin chickens) down in the office canteen, but apart from that “What the fuck????”

  4. Sastra says

    Yes, the use of the term “Aztec” startled me, too, and drew my attention. I’m pretty sure though it was only adopted for the alliteration. At least, I hope he isn’t trying to imply something about an upcoming proliferation of human sacrifices to the Sun God (at least they’d be religious!)

  5. lancifer says

    To be fair when I visit Addis Ababa, and other African cities, I hate to see “American cultural infestations”. I was recently in a cab in Addis Ababa and the driver was playing an M$M CD.

    Talk about an nasty cultural infection.

  6. says

    Aztec Cultures? Well that would explain all of the giant stone pyramids with the mounds of dead bodies. And why the new 20 dollar bill says “In Quetzalcoatl, Huitzilopochtli, Xipe-Totec, Tezcatlipoca, Ometeotl, Ometecuhtli, Omecihuatl, Tonacatecuhtli, Tonacacihuatl, Tlaloc, Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli We Trust”.

  7. DiscordianStooge says

    Theodore Beale (aka Vox Day) has written about “Aztlan” before. He thinks Mexicans are going to rise up and take over the American southwest and turn it into a Mexican/Aztec state. I believe he got this idea from the “Shadowrun” role-playing game.

  8. John Hinkle says

    infestation

    Wow. I’m… uh… what the… holy…

    There’s no apology big enough Vox could make. I await Farah’s unceremonious dumping of him.

    Any minute now…

  9. says

    Vox, buddy, you go ahead. Write when you find tolerance for your batshit KKKrazzeepant’s bigotry.

    This is just a partial list of places you should check out.

    Saudi Arabia, Somalia, North Korea, Uganda.

    Let me know if you survive visits to these places and I’ll work up a new list.

  10. says

    So much other-fear. I almost feel sorry for him – peering out between the blinds, sweating and shaking as a 70-year-old Muslim woman slowly ambles down the street to get groceries.

  11. noastronomer says

    “…celebrate the infestation of even the smallest American heartland towns by African, Asian and Aztec cultures.”

    Pardon me but isn’t it us white folks who started the infestation in the first place?

    And the Aztec thing had me scratching my too.

    Mike.

  12. NitricAcid says

    I’m sure he didn’t want to call them “Hispanics”, because, after all, people from Spain are white. The ones that are “really” from Spain, at least- the ones who immigrated there within the past three hundred years don’t count. Neither do their descendants.

  13. says

    Pardon me but isn’t it us white folks who started the infestation in the first place?

    The Aztecs’ descendents certainly have more right to live in their ancestral locations than the descendents of the European illegal immigrants.

  14. bksea says

    I’m still trying to figure out what he means by:

    “retreated from an increasingly vibrant communities”

    Is he saying real Americans are leaving communities because they are vibrant as a result of all the new culture? I’ve never seen “vibrant” as a put-down.

  15. picklefactory says

    …because they lack those “traditional values” favored by “white Americans.”

    Nah, he lives in Europe because it’s apparently a haven for MRA scumbags.

  16. jeevmon says

    Archie Bunker: Now, no prejudice intended, but, you know, I always check with the Bible on these here things. I think that, I mean if God had meant for us to be together, he’da put us together. But look what he done. He put you over in Africa, and put the rest of us in all the white countries.

    Sammy Davis Jr.: Well, he must’ve told ‘em where we were because somebody came and got us.

  17. =8)-DX says

    “hasn’t lived in America for many years. In fact, he lives in Europe”
    Grrr, grrr, US American exceptionalism again. Our whole continent with equated with your country? Grrr. Grrr.

    I’m actually looking forward to further EU integration perhaps leading this to be a more accurate view of Europe as a single entinty.

  18. coragyps says

    Vox better hope his US relatives don’t get a hailstorm after they secede. They’ll have a helluva time getting a new roof put on without some Aztec input…..

  19. nimuae says

    holytape

    And why the new 20 dollar bill says “In Quetzalcoatl, Huitzilopochtli, Xipe-Totec, Tezcatlipoca, Ometeotl, Ometecuhtli, Omecihuatl, Tonacatecuhtli, Tonacacihuatl, Tlaloc, Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli We Trust”.

    Wow.

    You win one internets just for typing all that.

    You can win another internets if you can teach me to pronounce all of those words.

  20. nimuae says

    holytape

    And why the new 20 dollar bill says “In Quetzalcoatl, Huitzilopochtli, Xipe-Totec, Tezcatlipoca, Ometeotl, Ometecuhtli, Omecihuatl, Tonacatecuhtli, Tonacacihuatl, Tlaloc, Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli We Trust”.

    Wow.

    You win one internets just for typing all that.

    You can win another internets if you can teach me to pronounce all of those words.

    :)

  21. jws1 says

    I had never heard of this guy until I discovered this blog a few years ago. I kinda wish it was true to say: “I still have never heard of him.”

  22. Fred Salvador - The Public Sucks; Fuck Hope says

    Note to the well-meaning: referring to mestizos as “Aztecs” is technically incorrect, but it’s no more an insult than referring to white Americans as “Europeans”.

    Unless those white Americans happen to be the children of blonde-haired, blue-eyed Central Asians, or possibly white Africans, who may take umbrage at being labelled “European”… but I digress.

    What’s annoying about Vox Day’s attempts to employ “Aztec” as a slur isn’t that “Aztec” is a slur; it’s the glaring opportunity he missed to REALLY be offensive. In the context of his rant “Spaniard” would be far more appropriate – but I don’t suppose it crossed the mind of Mr Day that anything related to Europe could possibly be perjorative.

    Aztec Cultures? Well that would explain all of the giant stone pyramids with the mounds of dead bodies.

    Those were removed to make way for the churches and mass graves. Do they not teach you this shit in school?

  23. jnorris says

    By Aztec infestations does he mean Taco Bell? I wonder if any of his European friends (if he has any) complain of the American infestations such as himself, KFC and MacD?

  24. jnorris says

    children with disabilities shall be registered immediately after birth

    The RighTard Republican Tea Party insulted Senator Bob Dole (a RINO now it seems) to his face all because the treaty would require every child to have a long-form birth certificate.

    So now that President Obama does not have a long-form birth certificate he must be an America RighTard hero or something. Corect Mr Beck?

    I know others have said this but the Republicans will never be a serious threat as a political party as long as the conservative entertainment is in control.

  25. AsqJames says

    In Great Britain, the Scottish National Party has all but eliminated the Conservative Party north of the border and seats nearly twice as many members as the Labour Party in the Scottish Parliament.

    Err, no.

    It was Labour that wiped the Scottish Tories out. In the 1997 General Election they took 56 seats (a gain of 6) while the Conservatives lost all 11 previously held. Admittedly, the SNP did double their Westminster representation in that ballot – from 3 to 6.

    Since then the Tories regained one seat in 2001 and have remained at that level ever since. The SNP dipped back to 5 in 2001, then climbed back to 6 in 2005 and 2010. Due mainly to boundary changes, Labour are now down to 41, but since there are only 59 Scottish constituencies in total, that’s still almost exactly 7 times what the SNP has.

    True, since the 2011 Scottish elections (which use a regional top-up system to approach proportional representation) the SNP have had a majority in that Parliament (69 out of 129 seats to Labours 37). But if you’re using that as your yardstick, you’re contradicting the “all but eliminated the Tories” line since they lost just 5 seats in going from 20 to 15.

    The Tories are still hugely unpopular outside their few Scottish supporters, but the same can’t really be said of Labour. Most Scots would probably be prepared to swing between Labour and the SNP depending on recent/current events (and who they credit/blame for them) and the leader/policies/campaign at the time of any particular election.

    As for the United Kingdom herself, the United Kingdom Independence Party, derided by British Prime Minister David Cameron as a collection of “loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists,” just handed the Tories their Eton-educated heads in three by-elections that serve as a likely harbinger of political upheaval to come; UKIP has already effectively replaced the Liberal Democrats as the United Kingdom’s fourth most influential political party after the Conservatives, Labour, and the Scottish National Party.

    In the 3 most recent by-elections (Nov. 29th) UKIP beat the Tories in Middlesborough and Rotherham (both in working class northern areas which would have needed a miracle to vote for Cameron’s Tories in any numbers) and trailed them in Croydon North with about 1/3 of the Tory vote. Only in Rotherham did UKIP get anything like a decent showing.

    So they hardly “handed the Tories their Eton-educated heads”.

    Oh yeah, and all three seats stayed safely Labour by huge margins.

    But there were 3 other by-elections earlier last month (Nov. 15th in Cardiff South and Penarth, Manchester Central and Corby), maybe they’re the ones he’s referring to?

    Nope. The Conservatives beat UKIP in all 3. And still neither party got anywhere near Labour who gained Corby and held the other 2 with an increased share of the vote in all 3.

    To say that UKIP with no MPs at all (or indeed MSPs or Welsh Assembly Members) are now more influential than the Liberal Democrats with members sitting in all three legislatures (as well as being a part of the coalition government at Westminster) is frankly delusional. You might as well say Plaid Cymru are more influential, at least they have representation in both Cardiff and Westminster.

  26. Ichthyic says

    I keep wondering why these white ignorant bigots didn’t move to SA when it was still Apartheid.

  27. zmidponk says

    What I did like is the fact that Vox Day seems to think the SNP and UKIP are something alike and that they therefore both share his views about race. This is simply not true.

    The SNP is an extremely popular party in Scotland for the very simple reason that they argue that Scotland has gotten a raw deal out of being part of the ‘United Kingdom’, and this resonates with people in Scotland, especially those who lived through the Thatcher era (contrary to what Vox Day believes, it was largely down to the actions of the Conservative party themselves, when Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister, that basically destroyed the Tories in Scotland, not the SNP). However, when it comes to things like racism, the only accusation that is even levelled at the SNP is that they are ‘anti-English’, due to their criticism of what they claim is the bias towards England that the UK government displays. Other than that, there is not even any claims of racism in the SNP.

    In contrast, UKIP, officially, is simply a really quite small anti-European Union party. However, if you look at their claims and policies, especially those about immigration, it reads like a veiled version of ‘keep them darkies out and keep Britain white’, though they try to distance themselves from that by claiming to support ‘uniculturalism’ which, as far as I’m able to make out, is, basically, ‘them darkies are welcome, as long as they behave like us decent white folk.’ In addition to that, some fairly senior folk in UKIP have reportedly made some racist comments, such as Dr Richard North, formerly a Research Director for UKIP, calling Spanish people ‘rag-arsed dagos’ and the current UKIP leader, Nigel Farage, telling former UKIP leader, Dr Alan Sked, ‘We will never win the
    nigger vote. The nig-nogs will never vote for us.’ As such, they might be of a like mind to Vox Day, but not the SNP.

  28. Tsu Dho Nimh says

    @8 He thinks Mexicans are going to rise up and take over the American southwest and turn it into a Mexican/Aztec state.

    Only in the SCA, where it was rumored that a rogue SCA tribe from Mexico City was going to come in full Aztec cuāuhocēlōtl gear and beat the butts off Atenveldt in the Estrella wars.

    Alas, it never happened.

  29. anubisprime says

    @ 35 & 38

    You both said more or less what I would have posted so I will leave that aspect, and commend both your fulsome posts as is!

    As for UKIP well they seem to be a one issue one agenda driven party.

    They want the UK out of the EU!

    That is it in its entirety.
    What they fail to understand is that the Brit economy would implode, in no uncertain terms.

    But be that as it may, that is their wish.
    When they first hobbled on to the Brit political scene, it was at the behest of one Alan Sked.

    The membership were mainly Conservative defectors and voters upset that their party was not Euro sceptic enough.

    UKIP have three members in the House of lords…all because of conservative peers changing allegiance and but none in the main chamber where policy is formed.

    Sked soon resigned the position of leader because he felt …””they are racist and have been infected by the far-right”

    UKIP gained more membership from the short lived ‘Referendum party’ which folded shortly after its leader died.
    The ‘Referendum party’ was formed because one James Goldsmith did not like the Maastricht treaty which was the ratification of Brit entry in to the EU as it was back then.

    On his demise his followers were torn between joining either BNP (British National Party) and UKIP.
    Seems most elected to vote UKIP.

    So they were mainly a right-wing party from the beginning, the ‘Referendum party was in the main yah boo muppets with jingoism in their hearts and little else in their heads.
    A lot of traders from London’s golden mile make up a significant percentage in those days I am told!

    You know the sort….rich, uncouth, loud mouthed, misogynistic arseholes with no respect for anyone under 150 grand a year, untalented and thinks the world is their plaything and owes them a living, and healthy bonus payments year on year.
    Under Thatcher they certainly achieved that pinnacle of human decadence!
    And they had gotten very used to the champers and Porsche’s.
    And seemingly there was a similar influx from the BNP and other white racist parties that thought UKIP might amount to some sort of power.

    What it leaves is a thinly veiled anti-immigration, anti-European, right leaning party that is desperately trying to cover up its inherent racism.
    There is also rather unhealthy connections with the C of E…apparently several Vicar’s are full time members.
    Farage, present leader has been banging on about the marginalizing of Christians recently, but then again so has the BNP leader Nick Griffin, so the fruit does not fall far from the tree!

    UKIP seem for all intents and purposes to be the ‘respectable’ face of the BNP.

    Whether that is changing I have no idea, they all seem rather uncouth and distasteful when I have seen them on TV, but maybe that is just my innate bias!

    I can imagine Vox Day feeling at home with them…they seem his sort of people.

  30. Moggie says

    Don’t forget UKIP’s anti-science nuttiness. When the Guardian, before the last general election, asked the main political parties about their science policies, UKIP’s responses were provided by Christopher Monckton. Yeah, that Monckton. Not surprisingly, UKIP’s responses were barmy:

    Ukip’s innovative approach to science funding is to set up a Royal Commission to investigate climate change in a court of law, and immediately cancel all funding “connected with ‘global warming'” pending its outcome, thus wresting the science budget from the hands of “rapacious extremists”.

    The Guardian’s conclusion:

    On science, Ukip is dire, with no credibility in the scientific community and candidates who have a demonstrably poor grasp of basic scientific principles, which perhaps explains its general disarray and flip-flopping in areas such as health.

    Ukip is the only significant party to support homeopathy, and the only party apart from the BNP still in denial over climate change. The appointment of Viscount Monckton as a science spokesman adds to the air of a party of old British eccentrics.

    Woeful.

    Monckton no longer has that role, I believe, but the fact that they ever fielded such a nutjob is pretty symptomatic.

  31. nimuae says

    When I read bs like this, I fantasize about giving people exactly what they want down to the fiddlybits.

    I think it would be fun to watch them implode when all the ‘infestations’ are gone and their reality is still grossly imperfect.

  32. spamamander, internet amphibian says

    Erm, my disabled child has a birth certificate. And a name. And two parents, who happened to be married when she was born. Holy shit I never knew I was a Nazi!

  33. Nick Gotts (formerly KG) says

    Theodore Beale (aka Vox Day) has written about “Aztlan” before. He thinks Mexicans are going to rise up and take over the American southwest and turn it into a Mexican/Aztec state. I believe he got this idea from the “Shadowrun” role-playing game. – DiscordianStooge

    Aztlan also occurs in the 1984 novel Warday by Whitley Strieber and James Kunetka, which is set in the aftermath of a US-Soviet limited nuclear war. The south-western states have become Aztlan, while Alaska is Canada’s “Alaska Territory”.

  34. dingojack says

    anubisprime (#42) –

    “A lot of traders from London’s golden mile make up a significant percentage [of UKIP members] in those days I am told!
    You know the sort….rich, uncouth, loud mouthed, misogynistic arseholes with no respect for anyone under 150 grand a year, untalented and thinks the world is their plaything and owes them a living, and healthy bonus payments year on year”.

    Nothing secedes like success.

    Oh – OK then I’ll get my c- [bum’s rush]

    Dingo
    —–
    With apologies to Azkyroth. ;)

  35. carlie says

    Does that mean anyone from the Yucatan peninsula is good with him, then? And he’s totally cool with South America? Using Aztec as a preferred slur is really restricting him to who he can hate on, there.

  36. Dunc says

    What I did like is the fact that Vox Day seems to think the SNP and UKIP are something alike and that they therefore both share his views about race. This is simply not true.

    Indeed. I wonder how he’d react on finding out that the SNP are actually in favour of more immigration?

  37. Nick Gotts (formerly KG) says

    UKIP seem for all intents and purposes to be the ‘respectable’ face of the BNP. – anubisprime

    Not if by that you mean there’s some connection or collaboration between the two. Respectable alternative to the BNP would be more precise – for certain values of “respectable”. UKIP can be seen as part of the European populist far right (which includes Gert Wilders’ PVV in Netherlands, the Northern League in Italy, the Norwegian Progress Party to which Breivik belonged for some years, similar parties in other Scandinavian parties), in contrast to the fascist far right, which includes the BNP. The populist far right is racist but does not admit this, anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim but not necessarily antisemitic, usually anti-EU, economically right-wing with in some cases (not that of UKIP) a bit of lefty window-dressing. UKIP certainly has nothing in common with the SNP, which is a centrist* “civic nationalist” party (as an English resident of Scotland, I’ve voted for them once**). The BNP is in decline, partly due to competition from UKIP, and factions of the fascist far right are looking to form a new party, allied to the anti-Muslim street hoodlums of the English Defence League.

    *Mainly to maximise its support. In the event of independence, it will probably become what it often used to be accused of being by Labour politicians: “tartan Tories”; or possibly split.

    **An anti-Labour vote, when the war criminal Bliar was in power.

  38. anubisprime says

    Nick Gotts (formerly KG) @ 52

    Not if by that you mean there’s some connection or collaboration between the two

    Not in actual function for sure, but there are some strong ideological similarities and I get the distinct impression that the BNP loses more membership to UKIP then anyone else including other extremist white supremacist organizations.

    And you are correct the BNP is a fading blot on the political landscape.
    I think a few realize they are non-electable in major elections but as a ‘protest vote’ at local hustings they served their purpose.

    Seems the erstwhile BNP members are now looking for real chance of power, after venting their pent up ire at teh gheys and the ethnics which seems to be their main joy but realize that is as far as the party is likely to progress vote wise, and UKIP are starting to worry and challenge the Conservatives after all…seems a no brainer(literally) to swap allegiance, cos both parties want roughly the same nonsense.

    That was the point I was trying to make, but you were far more eloquent.

    Whether that comes to pass is still not certain, I think that the country has had enough of Camerloon’ and his cronies and his refusal to contemplate let alone enact press legislation after Leveson will be their ultimate undoing, there is real seething anger there, seems the coalition especially the posh ones involved are not aware of it at street level otherwise they would dump their high falutin’ ‘freedom of the press’ whining in a time scale comparable to the speed of a lead ion at the LHC.

    About Gert Wilders of the PVV in Netherlands, a salutary tale here.
    When he was elected to the Dutch parliament, by democratic means and populist vote mind, there was rumblings of discontent coming from various quarters and groups that championed ethnic integration and human rights, that convinced the other elected parties in the Dutch coalition government…it is always a coalition in the Netherlands because of the voting system…not to work with him, to refuse to collaborate etc etc…you get the picture I am sure.

    Problem was they ignored that his party was the second most popular party in votes in the land.
    They outperformed the sitting party in charge at the time of the election, and narrowly missed a majority seat in the chamber.

    But they tried to ostracise him…the backlash in the media and the country was rather swift and outraged that a democratic party was slighted thus.
    The Dutch are by inclination liberal, and they love democracy, they were not happy, and a significant proportion actually hated the PVV but the principle of democracy was far more important.

    He does now have some little influence, but nowhere near the reflection that the vote in the country demands.
    It is an ongoing uneasy situation.
    Pundits are awaiting the next general election to see if sympathy votes flood in for the PVV as a kind of protest vote at the pompous parties that tried to usurp the will of the country.

    It seems locally that the PVV is losing some ground, but the main elections for parliament is the crucial one for obvious reasons.

    So it seems the lesson is beware of trying to isolate and manipulate a democratic party that scores in the voting stakes, no matter how abhorrent their policies, because it might well have an adverse effect not anticipated.

  39. birgerjohansson says

    I wouldn’t mind having Scotland join Scandinavia (I think the blog “Scandinavia and the World” had an entry on the subject).

    Also -stone pyramids? Actually, that would be great.
    Is Vox Day maybe one of those wankers that have discovered that one of their distant ancestors was non-white, and freaked out?

  40. eric says

    Does anyone else picture him wearing a white hood while he types on his computer? I know I do.

    Nimue:

    I think it would be fun to watch them implode when all the ‘infestations’ are gone and their reality is still grossly imperfect.

    There wouldn’t be an implosion. They’d simply blame their troubles on the Jew-controlled outside world (or whatever). Or, they’d pick out some sub-group within their lily-white state and blamestorm that group. Brown-eyed whites or left-handed whites or whomever. One thing is sure: haters gotta hate.

  41. sailor1031 says

    WTF: give ‘em Texas and let ‘em go. If they need more space then give ‘em the states on this (descending order) list: Arizona, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas. But that’s IT!!

  42. dingojack says

    There would be no implosion, the entire population Arkship-B would have been wiped out long before that posibility*, by a bacterial outbreak on a telephone receiver**.
    Dingo
    —–
    * Assuming they haven’t starved to death waiting for the maid to make them a sandwich
    ** More likely, the would be complaining how hard it is having to clean your own house, wash your own clothes, make your own meals, mow your own lawn, shovel your own snow, make and repair your own shoes and clothes, create and repair your own roads and other necessary infrastructure, treat your own waste, till your own fields, tend your own cattle and etcetera.
    And how supermen like themselves shouldn’t have to do such menial tasks
    if only there were a group who could do all that for them…

  43. anubisprime says

    dingojack @ 57

    And how supermen like themselves shouldn’t have to do such menial tasks
    if only there were a group who could do all that for them…

    Indeed yes, with such cognitive dissonance it would be no surprise that they begun the slave trade again…

    Probably on the Black market (no pun intended) to start with…possibly they would hoover the border for a few stray illegal Mexican ‘economic migrants’.
    When they had established the slavery reintroduction principle they would no doubt take it to SCOTUS…the worrying point being that under the present incumbents the Supreme court would most likely ratify it, especially if the petitioner’s tacked a few ‘holy jeebus’ and some vague and not so vague ‘biblical authoritarianism’ in their paper work.

    Chilling really!

  44. says

    They will not because they cannot. The frontiers are closed. There is nowhere else to go.

    There are plenty of other right-wing conservative countries they could go. The only problem is that they are all either dictatorships or failed/failing states.

    That’s what all this secession nonsense is about. Liberals, when they were upset with Bush’s reelection, could vent about moving to Canada or Europe to get away from it all, but there’s no equivalent safe haven for conservatives to dream about relocating to (well, unless they are as rich as Mittens).

    That fact alone should tell them just how far out of their tree they are, but of course, they continue to deny reality.

  45. Ichthyic says

    Liberals, when they were upset with Bush’s reelection, could vent about moving to Canada or Europe to get away from it all,

    or new zealand.

    and actually do it, instead of vent about it.

    Free at last.

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