Tony Perkins had Arthur Goldberg, the defendant in that lawsuit by the Southern Poverty Law Center over “ex-gay” reversion or reparation therapy, on his radio show. Goldberg claimed, as he has before, that if you go for such therapy and it doesn’t work, it’s your fault:
Perkins: This lawsuit, I would say it looks frivolous to me, it’s kind of novel. Their using a consumer law, consumer fraud is what they’re challenging here, that you’re promising one thing and not delivering. It’s kind of outrageous I think. You’ve said that it’s ‘without merit, designed to create a chilling effect upon speech and programs to assist people in overcoming these same-sex attractions.’
Goldberg: Correct. Their theory is basically if someone goes to Weight Watchers and says ‘I want to lose fifty pounds’ and they don’t lose fifty pounds, they’re going to say, ‘oh Weight Watchers you promised me you’d help me lose fifty pounds and I didn’t lose fifty pounds,’ same basic theory.
Perkins: Obviously the outcomes of any type of counseling is in large part determined by the patient following and genuinely perusing this path of wholeness.
Goldberg: Yes. In fact as an example, I don’t want to get into the facts of the case, but one of the plaintiffs talks about ‘I went to five sessions.’ Five sessions, hello? Is that any kind of long term involvement in terms of showing that you’re really serious about wanting to overcome?
And now it’s time to play Spot the Contradiction:
Perkins: I think we’ve got to be very clear here. You’re here to help those who want help and it’s a compassionate help, a nonjudgmental help for those seeking a wholeness that has been eluding them in their current lifestyle.
Yes, it’s “nonjudgmental” — while telling people they aren’t “whole” if they’re gay, that they’re broken and only God can fix them, and that if they fail to become straight it’s because they just aren’t trying hard enough. In the warped world of fundamentalism, that’s compassion and nonjudgmental. In the real world, of course, it’s exactly the opposite.