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Idaho Legislator Loves Phillips’ Cockamamie Idea

Remember that idiotic column by Tea Party Nation leader Judson Phillips about how Romney could still be elected president if more than one-third of the electoral college refused to cast their votes? It appears to have fooled an Idaho state legislator.

A state senator from north-central Idaho is touting a scheme that’s been circulating on tea party blogs, calling for states that supported Mitt Romney to refuse to participate in the Electoral College in a move backers believe would change the election result.

Sen. Sheryl Nuxoll, R-Cottonwood, sent an article out on Twitter headed, “A ‘last chance’ to have Mitt Romney as President in January (it’s still not too late).”

Constitutional scholar David Adler, director of the Andrus Center for Public Policy at Boise State University, said the plan is not “totally constitutional,” as touted in the article, but is instead “a radical, revolutionary proposal that has no basis in federal law or the architecture of the Constitution.”

Adler called it “really a strange and bizarre fantasy.”

Nuxoll said, “Well, I guess that’s one lawyer.”

Standard right wing denialism for the win. And remember, these are the people who claim to love democracy and the constitution.

Comments

  1. Chiroptera says

    And remember, these are the people who claim to love democracy and the constitution.

    Well, they do love the constitution that is in their heads.

    The actual document and the 200 years of case law based on it, not so much.

    And the idea of constitutional government, that there may be legal limitations on what they and their ilk may impose on the rest of us…yeah, the constitution in their heads, that’s where it’s all at, man.

  2. frankniddy says

    A reminder that Phillips is the shithead that thinks we should go back to having only property owners vote. Yes, he actually said that. And in our age of blindly worshiping “ARE JOB CREATORS” I can see it gaining traction.

  3. Larry says

    Leading up to the election, the GOP tried to eliminate a broad swath of potential voters. That was a retail approach. This plan, which has already been debunked, eliminates 65 million voters in the wholesale approach.

    Its scary to think what these pinheads would do if they didn’t love our Constitution so damned much.

  4. matty1 says

    @1 Presumably as with the Bible there is a conservapedia US Constitution project to remove any liberal bias from the text.

  5. Didaktylos says

    I suppose the next stage is to go for One Man, One Vote – with one of the Koches as The Man …

  6. Randomfactor says

    So if these people can convince enough Romney electors, we could have the first unanimous decision of the Electoral College? Sweet!

  7. Rodney Nelson says

    Some people just don’t want to admit that Romney lost the election. The electoral college scam is one step up from “I’m going to hold my breath until I turn blue, then you’ll be sorry you didn’t vote for my guy.”

  8. raven says

    Needless to say, Judson Phillips hates the US democracy enough to advocate just ignoring it so the right wing extremists can engineer a coup d’etat and take over the government.

    Their other idea is to secede from the USA, a desperate move motivated by fear and loathing and being sore losers.

    The christofascists really do hate the USA, the US government, and will destroy both if they can. It’s no secret, they say so themselves, and often.

  9. says

    “Standard right wing denialism for the win. And remember, these are the people who claim to love democracy and the constitution.”

    And all this time I thought that WE were the ones who got the bad acid in our teens.

  10. docsarvis says

    dobby, i followed the link you provided to conservativefactcheck.com. The site is an obvious POE. Well done, but obvious when you look at this link: http://conservativefactcheck.com/content/articles/55

    Read all the way to the end. I love this part, ” As mentioned, many (Tea Partiers) are politically and mathematically unsophisticated, but they make up for that with enthusiasm, and that’s what counts. By spreading these reports of voter fraud — whether true or false — they’re helping raise awareness of the voter fraud issue.”

    The site also call NOAA a “shadowy, quasi-military organization.” Not even conservatives are that paranoid.

  11. mkoormtbaalt says

    I’m not sure how Phillips et al can think that this is real. You would think that with a constitution that reaches back hundreds of years someone would have tried this already. This isn’t the first time that there have been contentious politics in Washington or that people have looked for loopholes to gain an advantage.

  12. wholething says

    A reminder that Phillips is the shithead that thinks we should go back to having only property owners vote.

    What if the property owner is a Mexican woman?

  13. Christoph Burschka says

    It’d be funny if they went through with it. Since the quorum is a complete fiction, Obama could become the first president since Washington to receive 100% of the electoral vote. :P

    On a more serious note, though: What is the supposed legal basis that would allow a state elector to refuse to cast a vote any more than he is allowed to vote contrary to the state’s popular vote? It sounds as though both would equally fall under “faithless elector” rules.

    (Though I see that in many states the penalties for faithless electors are determined by their own parties.)

  14. D. C. Sessions says

    Not sure what is heroic about stealing an election. Or getting the facts absolutely wrong.

    Well, even by conservative standards this is “heroically wrong.” However, when you think about it just about everything that qualifies for heroism in that part of the population also qualifies as “absolutely wrong.” So it’s probably a basic qualification for the award.

  15. D. C. Sessions says

    The site also call NOAA a “shadowy, quasi-military organization.” Not even conservatives are that paranoid.

    I’m not so sure about the “shadowy,” but NOAA actually is quasi-military. Their ships’ (which are all over the oceans) crews crews hold ranks parallel to the US Navy’s and in event of war they automatically become part of the Navy at current rank.

    However, their ships (unlike those of the Coast Guard, which is similarly “quasi-military”) aren’t armed. To compensate, they have some really slick instrumentation.

  16. Chiroptera says

    Randomfactor, #7:

    Heh. Before I go full metal pedant, I have to admit that was humorous and I chuckled.

    But George Washington is considered to have been elected unanimously both in 1789 and in 1792. In those elections (and in 1796 and 1800), each elector cast two votes. If one person had a vote from a majority of the electors, that person became President; the one who came in second became Vice President.

    In the elections of 1789 and 1792, every elector cast one of their votes for George Washington. The actual contest in those elections was to determine who would be elected Vice President.

  17. dogmeat says

    Their ships’ (which are all over the oceans) crews crews hold ranks parallel to the US Navy’s and in event of war they automatically become part of the Navy at current rank.

    Actually D.C. the same holds true for the merchant marine, doesn’t make either quasi-military.

  18. says

    The supporters of this idea obviously haven’t considered that if it works for them it will work for the Democrats the next time a Republican wins the Presidency.

  19. =8)-DX says

    The conservativefactcheck post now includes:

    Update:

    It has come to our attention that this idea was not Senator Nuxoll’s; rather, the original source is a World Net Daily article entitled How Obama Can be Stopped in Electoral College, published on 11/19.

    Furthermore, the original article was found to be in error by the article’s author, Judson Phillips (the founder of Tea Party Nation). The 2/3rds quorum is actually required in the House of Representatives, and not the Electoral College.

    We were surprised by this. Because of Mrs. Nuxoll’s role as a State Senator, and because she wrote that the procedure is “totally constitutional,” we believed that she had adequate knowledge of the U. S. Constitution.

    Although this was posted as a news item, we are, at our core, a fact-checking site, and we did not engage in sufficient fact checking. We regret the error and extend our apologies to Senator Nuxoll.

    They’re taking the mistake seriously.. =)

  20. lorn says

    Shocks, like another candidate winning when you were sure your guy was going to, is exactly the sort of shock that can trigger the Kubler-Ross sequence of Anger, Denial, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.

    People work through the stages at their own rate and can get hung up on any particular stage. Evidently, both Judson Phillips and Sen. Sheryl Nuxoll aren’t entirely ready to leave denial and advance to bargaining. From the way the budget talks are going it looks like the wider Republican caucus isn’t quite there yet either.

    Denial is always a toughie if you linger too long. Given a bit of time you have to manufacture a story compelling enough to make your denial seem reasonable and this usually involves vilifying the people you will eventually have to bargain with and discrediting bargaining as weakness/betrayal. Once you lay that card down it is pretty hard to gracefully take it back.

    I suspect that Mr.Phillips is pretty much settling into the state of denial long term and has set up housekeeping, with a little shop out back where he manufactures toy conspiracy theories for sale online, through the usual outlets, for a reasonable price. Not the first on the right to do it.

    Over the last forty years the state of right wing denial has grown from a wilderness with an occasional campfire and a few small cottages to a thriving metropolis that rival Washington DC in size and population. Some observed claim that the real DC was removed an replaced with the state of denial some time in the 80s. Others object to this claim by noting that Washington DC was never entirely real.

  21. Ichthyic says

    A reminder that Phillips is the shithead that thinks we should go back to having only property owners vote

    I keep saying that there is a significant portion of Americans that appear to really want to return to a feudal system.

  22. Ichthyic says

    The christofascists really do hate the USA, the US government, and will destroy both if they can. It’s no secret, they say so themselves, and often.

    I recall the FBI AND the CIA putting extreme right wing AMERICAN groups at the top of the terrorism watchlist a few years back.

  23. Ichthyic says

    We regret the error and extend our apologies to Senator Nuxoll.

    the people they should be extending apologies to are the rest of us who live in FUCKING REALITY.

  24. laurentweppe says

    The christofascists really do hate the USA, the US government, and will destroy both if they can. It’s no secret, they say so themselves, and often.

    Fascists hate every government/country/people they do not control, and “merely” despise those they have dominion over. Fascism can be summarized as “I wanna be nobility and treat the rest of mankind like cattle, pets & breathing sex toys

  25. pacal says

    So the fact that Obama got just slightly below 51% of the vote means nothing. (Romney appears to have gotten slightly above 47% of the vote). These people have no problem flouting the will of the American voter and having as President a man who got not only fewer votes than the other guy but fewer Electoral votes.

    Why do these people hate America so much?

  26. sqlrob says

    The site also call NOAA a “shadowy, quasi-military organization.” Not even conservatives are that paranoid.

    You sure about that? Remember the furor over the purported ammo purchase?

  27. katenrala says

    Well since the NOAA nerds they sank the Deep Water Horizon to get everyone to turn against offshore oil drilling, they must have sank the Rainbow Warrior to vilify the French.

    Those goony scientists. Grrr >(

  28. DaveL says

    The site also call NOAA a “shadowy, quasi-military organization.” Not even conservatives are that paranoid.

    You sure about that? Remember the furor over the purported ammo purchase?

    That’s what I was going to say. Sure, it sounds absolutely beyond the pale to sane people like you or me, but it actually fits very nicely with a recent popular right-wing meme.

  29. eric says

    @15

    What is the supposed legal basis that would allow a state elector to refuse to cast a vote any more than he is allowed to vote contrary to the state’s popular vote?

    In most states there is no law requiring electors to vote for the candidate who won the state. And I suppose that means that in the majority of states where its legal to switch your vote, it would also be legal to abstain or write in someone (effectively the same thing, assuming electors write in different people).

    What keeps electors from doing it is that they are chosen by the party who won the state. The GOP has a slate of electors they use, the Dems have another. Obviously, they only pick people whose party loyalty is unimpeachable. So, for the states (i) where Romney won, and (b) which have no law fixing the elector vote on the winner, the GOP hypotheticaly could tell their electors to abstain. I have no idea what the overlap is between (i) and (ii), so what they’re wanting to do may not even be possible (and ignoring the fact that it won’t lead to a different election outcome). But barring some insanity, the states Obama won will vote for Obama because the electors are highly loyal Democrats, and that will be that.

  30. baal says

    Wingnuts tend to forget that mere possession of a power doesn’t means it’s legal to use that power. Even if the electors are ‘faithless’, it’d still be illegal to vote the wrong way. You have the power to drive on the sidewalks, it’s still illegal (and stupid) to do so.

  31. katenrala says

    Rightwingers are always ready to go to war against liberals and those more left of them, but do they really think the USian public would take it if Romney was installed as president instead of Obama?

    The shit would hit the fan and armed liberals and more left-leaning people would certainly demonstrate, armed and very angry, just like the Tea Baggers did, but over something important rather unlike the Tea Baggers big show of force and willingness to kill their ideological enemies. (These fuckers hero worship Anders Breivik and don’t even bother hide that.)

    Contrary to rightwing belief, liberals, progressives, and leftists are armed with the exact same civvie weapons, that is assault rifles, battle rifles, and military/police pistols, plus large caliber, sub-MOA accurate hunting rifles which are better than even typical military sniper weapons, the very same arms that gun fanatics are armed with and there are more of us than extreme rightwingers. The mere existence of armed progressives seems to blow their sockets as they can’t understand the concept somehow, and they are cowards who think they’re somehow the only ones with force, which is why they are quick to threaten death and publicly entertain exterminationist fantasies and don’t seem to understand that if you push progressives hard enough; if you keep making “jokes” and innuendo about violently killing liberals and progressives; if you keep murdering them; bombing them; and taking pot shots at progressive rallies; that even though we look for better and humane solutions first, second, tenth, progressives will start shooting back even if we are slower to resort to violence. Additionally a bunch of people would join our side because this would be an instance of an election being so obviously stolen even the general public would be outraged.

    I’m slightly astounded that the shootings of rightwingers hasn’t even started yet in simple retaliation, considering some of the groups rightwingers love to kill, though they leave the extermination of POC to the cops. I’m visibly non-heterosexual and visibly disabled, visibly autistic (which will get you attacked in a heartbeat) and so I pack heat in public because I live in northern Nevada, which is full of under-educated and angry conservatives who target gays and lesbians and more, and they also totally hate on our immigrant and Native American population. The hate is so bad I’m always trying to deprogram my mom as she hears BS at her all the time work from her baby boomer peers and comes home believing in some of it. God, it took me four years to get her to stop hating sexual minorities, but I think me coming out of the closet helped in that case.

    I aught to get a pink colored pistol, as rightwingers had a collective freakout over the Pink Pistols group and that alleged, likely made up armed gang of lesbians beating straight men a year or so ago. Rightwingers hate and are terrorized by the prospect of getting what they give.

    I have an XCR-L and would love to get a paint job like this one: http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23256&stc=1&d=1237516623 but mine would have a pink lower and purple upper with pink and purple skulls, and pink rail covers and pink Aimpoint optic. Maybe a rainbow near the charging handle and on the mags too. I’d certainly get the side-eye at the range by the insecure fanatics. (; I’d like get an XCR-M or a FN SCAR Heavy one day in a full rainbow paint job.

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