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Nov 29 2012

Barton Whistles Past the Marriage Equality Graveyard

In the wake of the stunning victories for marriage equality in all four states where it was on the ballot a few weeks ago, David Barton is trying to paint a smiley face on the whole thing. He dismisses those victories as purely “rhetorical” and, as usual, distorts the truth in the process:

There is some good news. There are some storm clouds, we saw storm clouds election night. You look at the marriage amendments; three of the four marriage issues went down. In Minnesota, it almost went down, it was like a 50-50 prop; it should not have been that close that marriage is a man and a woman, but going down in Maine, and going down in Washington, and going down in Maryland but preserving barely in Minnesota.

While we did lose three of the four states and almost lost the fourth state, nationally the support is still high. A poll done on election day found that sixty percent of Americans strongly support marriage as a man and a woman.

It’s a rhetorical victory for same-sex marriage proponents because they say “hey, we won three out of the last four states that voted on this.” Yeah, with about 50.5% support, you know, barely.

He’s wrong about Minnesota. The pro-equality side won in that state, but the amendment that was on the ballot was to ban same-sex marriage in the state constitution and it lost. That doesn’t actually legalize same-sex marriage in that state, but it was still a clear victory for equality and a huge defeat for the bigots. In Maine, equality won with 52.7%. In Maryland, it was 52.1%. In Washington, it was 53.2%. And in Minnesota, it was 51.2%. And when you consider how quickly that has reversed itself, from about 70% opposition to marriage equality in the country after the Goodridge ruling in 2003, the trends are absolutely clear. Equality is winning; bigotry is losing.

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  1. 1
    Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

    I thought they loved to crow about “MARJORUTY ROOL”?

  2. 2
    Michael Heath

    David Barton:

    . . . three of the four marriage issues went down
    [...]
    it should not have been that close that marriage is a man and a woman
    [...]
    preserving [marriage] barely in Minnesota.
    [...]
    A poll done on election day found that sixty percent of Americans strongly support marriage as a man and a woman.

    I cringe every single time I encounter a liar like Barton dishonestly frame the issue as if gay rights advocates seek to infringe or deny the right of marriage away from heterosexuals. That fascist wants to deny rights to gay people while simultaneously and dishonesty claiming his kind are the sole defenders of liberty. And the leaders of this movement almost always get away with this hypocritical dishonesty in the mainstream media; they’re never challenged on the fundamental dishonesty of their position.

  3. 3
    Stevarious, Public Health Problem

    I thought they loved to crow about “MARJORUTY ROOL”?

    Well, sometimes they need to be an oppressed minority to get proper sympathy, and sometimes they need to be the dominant authority to get the proper respect.

    That the followers never seem to notice this constant bait and switch and bait and switch and switch really boggles the mind.

  4. 4
    Johnny Vector

    Dafuq??? His side “almost lost” in Minnesota?

    I was unable, using Google, to find a place (either on the internet or a bricks-and-mortar shop) where you can hire someone to tie your shoes every morning. So where did he find one? Cause with brains like that you know he’s not tying his own.

  5. 5
    blf

    Ah, I was wondering why the BARD™ (Barton Ad-hoc Reality Distorter) had chugged into life a little while ago…

  6. 6
    brucecoppola

    …three of the four marriage issues went down. In Minnesota, it almost went down, …going down in Maine, and going down in Washington, and going down in Maryland…

    My inner 15 year old is snerking.

  7. 7
    johnryder

    So their new strategy is to pretend they won even if they lost. I don’t think that will be very effective.

  8. 8
    abb3w

    I want a source on that poll where he claims 60% of Americans “strongly support” marriage as between a man and a woman. A quick whack at Google news turns up bupkis, but I strongly suspect the question is not worded to directly ask about whether the same sex option should also be legal.

  9. 9
    steve84

    If they had won with 52% it would have been “resounding victory”. You know, like it was with Prop 8, where they go on about “7 million people who voted yes”, but always ‘forget’ the 6.5 million or so who voted no

  10. 10
    freemage

    Conservative Social Justice Disorder (Barton’s at Stage 3, it would seem):

    Stage 1 (Appeal to Mob Rule): Clearly, the vast majority of this great country rejects this proposal. No state supports this dramatic alteration of the fundamentals of our society. Any effort by activist judges to impose a decision contrary to the rule of the majority is unjust and improper!

    Stage 2 (Appeal to Alleged Mob): Yes, a few states have legislated this change, but only in response to, or in anticipation of, court rulings. The people are still on our side, and we shall raise them up in a tide of electoral wrath!

    Stage 3 (Appeal to Federal Rule): Okay, yes, some states have held voter referendums and supported this heinous violation of our cultural heritage and values. But this is a nation that must stand united, and the federal government has chosen wisely to take a more conservative course, recognizing that one does not undermine a society on mere whimsy. Those states which insist on this deviancy should remain aware that they are in a small minority, and should not claim to speak for the whole country.

    Stage 4 (Appeal to States’ Rights): Well, alright, we understand that the political whores of Congress have signed off on this abysmal policy, but there are still several states in this Union that stand for decency and tradition, and our right to do so is enshrined in the Constitution. We must guard against federal overreach!

    Stage 5 (Appeal to Amnesia): Hey, you know this was part of our goals all along, right?

  11. 11
    davidhart

    Johnny @4: “Dafuq??? His side “almost lost” in Minnesota? ”

    I think that refers to the fact that there is still a law against same-sex marriage in Minnesota; what happened on election day was that a proposal to incorporate a ban on same-sex marriage into Minnesota’s constitution was defeated. So same-sex marriage is still illegal in Minnesota (i.e. they are still ‘winning’), but it will be much easier to overturn than it would have been if the amendment passed – i.e. the legislature can just do it any time, rather than having to have another statewide ballot to re-amend the constitution first.

  12. 12
    Johnny Vector

    davidhart: But that law was not on the ballot, so they didn’t “almost lose” there. The thing that was up for a vote (you know, that which was there to be won or lost) came down, excuse me went down (thanks for the giggle, brucecoppola) on the side of equality. There’s just no way you can say the bigots “almost lost” there. Either there was no contest or they lost. So, “Dafuq?’ is the only reasonable response (spoken in the manner of Fran Kranz in Cabin in the Woods. Which now that you mention it, what has Barton been smoking?)

  13. 13
    spamamander, internet amphibian

    Yeah, it’s totally “rhetorical” that my sister and her wife can be recognized as being married instead of some beat around the bush hedging called a “domestic partnership”. The bigots are losing… dealwidit.

  14. 14
    gshelley

    What poll is he talking about that shows 60% support for defining marriage as between a man and woman? Every pol I have seen shows the trend has long be the other way and across the US as a whole matches the results seen in Maine, Maryland and Washington? Even Michigan is strongly the other way now according to the most recent poll

  15. 15
    Didaktylos

    Johnny – his shoes probably fasten with velcro …

  16. 16
    billdaniels

    The 60% comes from the dark, tight, smelly place all the rest of his facts come from. He likes searching for facts. It makes him feel all tingly.

  17. 17
    otrame

    @billdaniels

    Here, take this nice bouquet of internets. You deserve them.

  18. 18
    epiblast

    Well, sometimes they need to be an oppressed minority to get proper sympathy, and sometimes they need to be the dominant authority to get the proper respect.

    The thing is, I think it’s not actually inconsistent: They want to think of themselves as an oppressed MAJORITY. The common myth believed by this sort of person on the religious right is that conservative Christians are the majority of the populace and hence their religion and ideology should be represented more than anyone else’s and endorsed by the government in a way that no one else’s is (the Christian right seems to have no concept of tyranny of the majority being a problem), but they aren’t given their fair due as the majority because the power is held by a small liberal elite that controls the media, mobilizes various minority groups against them, and uses cowardly tricks like court trials to shape the law to its ends.

    So it traditionally has been with same-sex marriage and other LGBTQ rights issues in general. The right-wing line has been that the Will of the People is soundly against giving anything to those disgusting queers, but the liberal elite is gaining ground by relying on Activist Judges and other measures that aren’t just simply putting the whole thing down to the popular vote.

  19. 19
    epiblast

    Also, this is an embarrassing thing to put in my second-ever post on FTB, but how does one attribute a blockquote to the one who said it?

  20. 20
    Stevarious, Public Health Problem

    @epiblast

    Also, this is an embarrassing thing to put in my second-ever post on FTB, but how does one attribute a blockquote to the one who said it?

    Usually I just type “@epiblast” or whatever before the blockquote. I don’t actually know what the ‘blockquote cite=”"‘ is supposed to do, though interestingly enough I can see that you used it in my email notification.

  21. 21
    Stevarious, Public Health Problem

    They want to think of themselves as an oppressed MAJORITY.

    You’re right, that narrative has definitely been pushes as well.

  22. 22
    bradleybetts

    He’s right about one thing; it should not have been that close.

  23. 23
    dingojack

    billdaniels – I thought he would be the type to hire a rent-toy to ‘find his facts’, and, after washing his hands, velco his shoes.
    :| Dingo

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