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Nov 28 2012

Lively: Uganda a Model for the World

As the Ugandan legislature seems poised to finally pass a law that allows the government to murder not only gay people but anyone who repeatedly argues for their equality, the president of Uganda has officially declared his nation to be a Christian one:

The Ugandan newssite New Vision reports President Yoweri Museveni celebrated Uganda’s 50th anniversary of independence from Britain at the National Jubilee Prayers event by publicly repenting of his personal sin and the sins of the nation.

“I stand here today to close the evil past, and especially in the last 50 years of our national leadership history and at the threshold of a new dispensation in the life of this nation. I stand here on my own behalf and on behalf of my predecessors to repent. We ask for your forgiveness,” Museveni prayed.

“We confess these sins, which have greatly hampered our national cohesion and delayed our political, social and economic transformation. We confess sins of idolatry and witchcraft which are rampant in our land. We confess sins of shedding innocent blood, sins of political hypocrisy, dishonesty, intrigue and betrayal,” Museveni said.

“Forgive us of sins of pride, tribalism and sectarianism; sins of laziness, indifference and irresponsibility; sins of corruption and bribery that have eroded our national resources; sins of sexual immorality, drunkenness and debauchery; sins of unforgiveness, bitterness, hatred and revenge; sins of injustice, oppression and exploitation; sins of rebellion, insubordination, strife and conflict,” Museveni prayed.

Next, the president dedicated Uganda to God.

“We want to dedicate this nation to you so that you will be our God and guide. We want Uganda to be known as a nation that fears God and as a nation whose foundations are firmly rooted in righteousness and justice to fulfill what the Bible says in Psalm 33:12: Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. A people you have chosen as your own,” Museveni prayed.

Unsurprisingly, anti-gay lunatic Scott Lively thinks all countries should follow suit:

Massachusetts pastor and activist Rev. Scott Lively believes Museveni is a model for other national leaders.

“The Museveni prayer is a model for all Christian leaders in the world. The leaders of the West have declined in proportion to their degree of rejection of God,” Lively said.

Could they make it any more clear that what they desire is theocracy?

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  1. 1
    eric

    We want Uganda to be known as a nation that fears God and as a nation whose foundations are firmly rooted in righteousness and justice to fulfill what the Bible says in Psalm 33:12: Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.

    Don’t worry, even nonbelievers will agree that Uganda is becoming a nation whose foundations are firmly rooted in the Bible.

  2. 2
    Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

    And Uganda instantly became a peaceful, bountiful, and rich land flowing with milk and honey. Right? Because they’re doing what God wants, with so much enthusiasm!

  3. 3
    matty1

    Yoweri Museveni has been president for 26 years or just over half the time Uganda has been independent. If he wants to close the door on the past retirement would seem the obvious option.

    Thought 2 (Yes I can have more than one just not at the same time) has there been any response from the Ugandan Muslim community? I suspect they may not like being told they are a Christian nation.

  4. 4
    theschwa

    Oh no! Not the sin of intrigue!!

  5. 5
    dingojack

    Religious breakdown of the Ugandan population:
    Roman Catholic 41.9%, Protestant 42% (Anglican 35.9%, Pentecostal 4.6%, Seventh-Day Adventist 1.5%), Muslim 12.1%, other 3.1%, none 0.9% (2002 census)
    source.
    83.9% christian (loosely).
    Dingo

  6. 6
    Trebuchet

    Doesn’t Lively know that the USA is the only nation God loves?

  7. 7
    usingreason

    We want to dedicate this nation to you so that you will be our God and guide. We want Uganda to be known as a nation that fears God

    If they fear him enough he will bless them? Sounds like a great religion, a religion of love and shit. Funny how fearing this god is so necessary to being moral and getting the reward promised.

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    dingojack

    USA by religious belief:
    Protestant 51.3%, Roman Catholic 23.9%, Mormon 1.7%, other Christian 1.6%, Jewish 1.7%, Buddhist 0.7%, Muslim 0.6%, other or unspecified 2.5%, unaffiliated 12.1%, none 4% (2007 est.)
    Source.
    So 78.5% christian (very loosely).
    Dingo

  9. 9
    Michael Heath

    Scott Lively:

    The leaders of the West have declined in proportion to their degree of rejection of God,” Lively said.

    This dolt is obviously using the David Barton false-version of history to compare today’s presidents to our first set of presidents. I only wish the modern-day presidents were as skeptical as Presidents Washington, Adams, and Jefferson; especially when you consider that today’s have the benefit of far more facts and evidence-rich explanations about reality that makes the idea of Christian god ludicrous. (I think what these founding presidents expressed belief in was rational for the time.)

  10. 10
    Gregory in Seattle

    Uganda was one of the first countries to react to the AIDS crisis by treating it as a disease. For many years, it was the leading light in the African fight against AIDS, with the full weight of government being applied to diagnosis, treatment and support.

    Which is probably why Livey and the rest of the hate-filled bigots targeted it. They simply do not want a world where AIDS is a disease that overwhelmingly affects heterosexuals rather than God’s Holy Judgement Against That Horrific Sin.

    I am very much afraid that this law will result in tens of thousands of deaths. Livey doesn’t care, as long as he’s got the whole world bowing down to his death cult.

  11. 11
    anubisprime

    Was not the likes of Warren and his cronies involved in encouraging the Ugandan government to adopt the legislation, then when busted for their interference & involvement pretended they had nothing to do with it!

    How proud and righteous they must be, a theocratic law that they want to instigate in the USA being given a test run elsewhere.

    I wonder if any of them will attend the first execution?
    Perhaps sing a hymn…let the dying know that god loves them!

  12. 12
    anubisprime

    @ 11

    Was not the likes of Warren and his cronies involved in encouraging the Ugandan government to adopt the legislation

    Should read…

    ‘Was not the likes of Warren and his cronies ALSO involved in encouraging the Ugandan government to adopt the legislation?

  13. 13
    criticaldragon1177

    Ed Brayton,

    It turns out the “Kill The Gays” bill is even worse than I thought.

  14. 14
    criticaldragon1177

    Continuing what I wrote in my last comment. I didn’t even realize the law would make it a criminal offense to even criticize the law.

  15. 15
    jnorris

    When can the good people of Massachusetts expect Rev Lively to depart their shores and immigrate to the new Christian Paradise on the east coast of Africa?

  16. 16
    Michael Heath

    Gregory in Seattle writes:

    For many years, it was the leading light in the African fight against AIDS, with the full weight of government being applied to diagnosis, treatment and support.

    One of the great ironies of our collectively benefiting from the emergence of enlightenment thinking is that its application has afforded cultures a subset of fundamentalist religionists. Where these religionists frequently, including in the U.S., advocate against the very policies that allows them the financial security to be politically active; in an organized manner.

    I’ve noted before that one motivation for me hanging out here is that I live in a very red-state part of the country, where it would be financial suicide for me to reveal I’m an engaged secularist (those who know me in meat-world do know I’m a “none”). So this forum provides a place for me to engage without as much as risk then meat-world. However I’m quick to point-out in meat-world when people leap into God-talk is when they raise a subject and praise God where it is in fact, scientists who developed the knowledge that resulted in that great outcome. Not only did God have nothing to do with it, but the progress came in spite of religionists who advocated against scientific progress.

    For example someone close to me who had 10 hours of brain surgery by two surgeons and completely recovered except for the loss of hearing in one ear. Now who was responsible for that and who paid for that (Medicare)? And what did it take over the centuries to deliver the knowledge to those practioners that they so successfully executed? It’s shameful to attribute this to God and shameful to vote for the very people who seek to harm science, education, research, and public financing for those who can’t afford healthcare.

  17. 17
    greg1466

    “The Museveni prayer is a model for all Christian leaders in the world. The leaders of the West have declined in proportion to their degree of rejection of God,”

    Well. Either that or in proportion to their level of understanding that they represent all of their citizens.

  18. 18
    matty1

    I stand corrected, going by Dingo Jacks figures Ugandan Muslims are probably not numerous enough to cause problems over this.

  19. 19
    timgueguen

    Coming soon to a neighbourhood near you: Ugandan refugees. Some will be gay. Some will be Christians whose brains haven’t turned to irrational mush. Some will be secularists. Many of them will be Uganda’s best and brightest. Once more, as with so many other places that have seen similar exoduses, their new homes will benefit, while their old home will be further harmed.

  20. 20
    billdaniels

    The two major denominations in Uganda are the Anglicans and the Roman Catholics. Both are part of worldwide bodies, the former de facto, the second de jure. I have not heard any strong condemnation of the law from either denomination condemning the anti-gay laws in Uganda. This bodes ill for the rest of the world. Any country could pass draconian anti-gay laws and the supposed defenders of truth and justice will look the other way, like they did in Nazi Germany.
    We cannot place all the blame for the situation in Uganda on the recent actions by American evangelicals. When the British took over the area now known as Uganda, the brought with them Anglican missionaries who were members of the Church Missionary Society which was a low-church, conservative, evangelical group. They laid the foundation for the evil ideas of modern evangelicals.

  21. 21
    NitricAcid

    And still, I see people around who are raising money to help the poor villages of Uganda. Why Uganda? Is it more in need of money than other areas of Africa? Or is it just friendlier to North American evangelicals? If they want to murder the gays, I can’t see them as deserving a cent of my charity.

  22. 22
    laurentweppe

    Many of them will be Uganda’s best and brightest. Once more, as with so many other places that have seen similar exoduses, their new homes will benefit, while their old home will be further harmed.

    That is, if the population of the host country does not thrown them away by chauvinism or deliberately keep them in ghetto from where they’re forced to stay below even the most inept locals in the social food chain.

  23. 23
    Doug Little

    I would have thought Lively would distance himself from the Uganda mess that he is partially responsible for in case of reprisals later down the road. I guess I was wrong, he really is a man of conviction. I hope he eventually rots in a jail cell.

  24. 24
    bradleybetts

    “The leaders of the West have declined in proportion to their degree of rejection of God,” Lively said.”

    What does that even mean? Declined how? Have our leaders gotten shorter in stature? What does he think he just said?

  25. 25
    bradleybetts

    @Doug Little

    Can he be arrested for what he’s done?

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