Pratt: Obamacare Will Take Away Your Guns!


Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America — a group that thinks the NRA is too squishy and liberal, if you can believe that — went on the radio show Crosstalk and delivered a huge steaming pile of dishonesty and paranoia, telling listeners that Obamacare is going to take away your guns.

There’s a big one that doesn’t get much attention as a gun measure but it is, and that’s Obamacare. Obamacare among its many unconstitutional aspects, I’m sorry Supreme Court, has made privacy something that only applies between consenting adults but not certainly our relationship with the government. It says that all of our medical records are available to be pawed through by bureaucrats somewhere in Washington, looking for a reason to disenfranchise gun owners, to say ‘oh you have a medical diagnosis that means you might be a danger to yourself or others so we’re going to come and knock on the door for the BATF to take away your guns.’

This isn’t getting any attention because it’s blatantly false. As Right Wing Watch points out, the law explicitly denies the use of such records for that purpose:

‘‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—

‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.— A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to—

‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or

‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.

‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;

‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or

‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.

‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATABANKS.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.

‘‘(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.— A premium rate may not be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon—

‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or

‘‘(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.

‘‘(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS.— No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity authorized under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to—

‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or

‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition.’’

But you just keep telling that lie, Larry. I’m sure it helps keep the money flowing from the credulous to your bank account.

Comments

  1. Michael Heath says

    Let’s not forget denialists double-down on their beliefs the more evidence accumulates which falsifies them. Their fresh hope in this area of course is that President Obama can’t seek relection which frees him to do what he’s really always wanted, as opposed to his first campaign and term when he did stuff to get himself re-elected in ’12. Like those oh so politically popular efforts such as bailing out the banks, the stimulus, the surge in Afghanistan, Obamacare, and arguing a 80/20 split on spending cuts and tax hikes to better control the deficit (snark).

    So besides his lack of concern about gun control laws, what new “threats” do we face in President Obam’s second term? How about an old-standby last used by some liberal populists; the president doesn’t intend to step-down at the end of his second term!

    The Drudge Report had an ad at the top of the page this morning for some sort of investment counselor. The page linked to from that ad has a presentation predicting a huge economic boom which is supposedly not due to President Obama’s policies, however Mr. Obama will falsely attributed for that boom and will do two things:
    1) Get reelected a third time or have one of his minions who he’ll control. It’ll be the biggest demonstration in tyranny in the U.S. since forever, and yet Obama will go down in history as the greatest president ever!!! (There’s some rich comedic material to be mined here.)
    2) Institute socialism thereby transforming the U.S. into a socialist state.

    The boom this panderer to wingnuts is predicting is in oil and natural gas, especially the latter. I made it about five minutes through though that might have been a minute or two which only seemed like five.

  2. says

    Reading things like this reinforces my firmly held belief that, “Fuck you, you’re a fucking moron.” is really the only rebuttal to this nonsense.

  3. coragyps says

    But….but…but….

    I thought that everybody’s guns were already confiscated back in early 2009!1!! That’s what some of my coworkers told me was going to happen if that Mooslim Socialist got elected in 2008! How can they confiscate them again??

  4. machintelligence says

    Generalizing from an anecdote (sample of one): I was in a sporting goods store over the weekend and overheard a conversation about ammunition sales after Obama’s re-election. There was a small bump in sales, but nothing like four years ago. Make of that what you will.

  5. Michael Heath says

    machintelligence writes:

    Generalizing from an anecdote (sample of one): I was in a sporting goods store over the weekend and overheard a conversation about ammunition sales after Obama’s re-election. There was a small bump in sales, but nothing like four years ago. Make of that what you will.

    I don’t know what state you’re in, but in states with deer-hunting, there’s always a bump in ammunition sales prior to and during the early-part of the gun portion of the season. In Michigan our rifle season for adults starts on 11/15, so people in late-October and early-Nov. are stocking up prior to that for target practice and sighting-in their gun sights and/or scopes.

    So this person might be merely relating this year’s sales bump to what always happens this time of year relative to the sales rate a month or two prior to the election.

  6. w00dview says

    How many time over the last couple of decades have gun nuts gloomily forecast that if such and such is elected that DEY ARE COMING FER YER GUNZ!!11! and when such a scenario never happens they never think “you know, this guy predicted this over and over and it never happens, what makes him so sure this time?”?

    Do these fear mongering arsewipes get called out on their bullshit ever?

  7. wscott says

    I was commiserating this weekend with a friend, a fellow gun owner and ex-Republican. We agreed it’s not surprising that the NRA and other gun groups keep screaming that the sky is falling – NO REALLY THIS TIME FOR SURE!!! It’s the only way to keep the donations coming in. What’s amazing and disappointing is that people keep buying their scare-mongering time after time.

    They’re like cultists who keep predicting the apocalypse. After the date passes and the world fails to end, admitting to themselves that it was all bullshit would be too much of a blow to their self esteem. So they rationalize it away, turns out they got teh date wrong or God granted us an extension or whatever.

  8. says

    So, pretty much what we have here is that they had to bloat the bill with all sorts of explicit assurances to head off wingnut conspiracy theories, only to make the bill so long the wingnuts never bothered to read it?

  9. says

    “…only to make the bill so long the wingnuts never bothered to read it?”

    Well, if your target audience is the SKKKrotalMurKKKinPatriotiKKK Front, nanything longer than a syntactically challenged and eregiously misspelled bumper sticker might as well be “War and Peace”.

  10. raven says

    It is business as usual for the Reality Denialist and Delusions party. AKA as the Tea Party, the GOP, and the Morons.

    The latest is that Obama stole the election by voter suppression, voter fraud, deals with the demons and satan, thanks to all the Moslems he secretly imported into the United States, and denying the vote to those xians locked up in FEMA concentration camps. Or something.

    Nothing is too stupid or false that they won’t believe it.

    Reality Denial, occasionally has consequence. Those vaccines really do work as people find out when their kids get whooping cough or measles and end up dead. Or rising sea levels and bigger storms wash away hundreds of miles of coast line.

  11. Chiroptera says

    Huh? No, wait, what?

    They really added provisions specifically to protect gun ownership rights to a bill about health care?

  12. baal says

    I’m a-ok with the FEDGOV suggesting people being committed for mental instability + likleyhood of harm to self or others having their guns taken away. They can have them back once they are stable and show that they are no longer likely to commit harm. I’m at a loss to understand why this is a bad thing.

  13. Michael Heath says

    wscott writes:

    I was commiserating this weekend with a friend, a fellow gun owner and ex-Republican. We agreed it’s not surprising that the NRA and other gun groups keep screaming that the sky is falling – NO REALLY THIS TIME FOR SURE!!! It’s the only way to keep the donations coming in. What’s amazing and disappointing is that people keep buying their scare-mongering time after time.

    It’s the coolness factor. It’s cool in some areas to be an NRA member just like it was cool in many areas of the U.S. to be in the KKK. It’s a way to identify yourself with once, Chuck Heston, and now, Uncle Ted [Nugent] et. al. (When you’re in the NRA you called him Chuck, not Charlton.) This allows the tribe’s members a way to forgive their sponsor for being so obviously motivated by fund-raising.

  14. Morgan says

    machintelligence:

    There was a small bump in sales, but nothing like four years ago. Make of that what you will.

    Well, come on. It’s not as if the people who bought extra ammo after Obama was elected need to replace it; the threat they imagined they’d need to use it on never materialized.

    Deen:

    So, pretty much what we have here is that they had to bloat the bill with all sorts of explicit assurances to head off wingnut conspiracy theories, only to make the bill so long the wingnuts never bothered to read it?

    It looks to me like part of it is also there to say “you can’t charge someone more for health insurance just because they’re more likely to be injured in a firearms accident”. Which… I guess is fair enough, depending on what other risk factors insurers are or are not allowed to look at.

  15. iangould says

    The NRA is not alone in running scare campaigns to fire up the base.

    MOST advocacy organizations do this. The real trick lies in recognizing when organizationd you support are doing it.

  16. busterggi says

    What these gun-nuts really mean is that they are afraid of a black man taking away their penises & findin out where all the white woman are at.

  17. says

    “The NRA is not alone in running scare campaigns to fire up the base.”

    They are alone in having a membership that is scared and 100% armed.

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