O’Reilly and Those ‘Non-Traditional’ Voters


Bill O’Reilly offers up his usual mix of ignorance, hypocrisy and stupidity in explaining that Obama only got elected because so many “non-traditional voters” — women, black people and Latinos — just don’t believe in America like he does.

If you look at the exit polling, you’ll see that a coalition of voters put the President back into the oval office. That coalition was non-tradition, which means it veered away from things like traditional marriage, robust capitalism, and self reliance. Instead, each constituency that voted for the President — whether it be single women, Hispanic Americans, African Americans, whatever — had very specific reasons for doing so. […]

Traditional American voters generally want a smaller government in Washington, more local control, some oversight on abortion, and believe in American exceptionalism.

Okay, first of all, that phrase “American exceptionalism” is empty pablum designed only to appeal to the ignorant and the xenophobic.

Secondly…O’Reilly…O’Reilly…that’s an Irish name, isn’t it? I seem to recall that the Irish were once “non-traditional voters” in this country and demeaned in the same way O’Reilly demeans anyone who isn’t white. Those who ignore history are doomed to remain assholes.

Comments

  1. John Hinkle says

    So what’s his point, other than insulting huge swaths of people, whose numbers will only increase over time (well, not necessarily women of course)? Is it to make his white privileged viewers feel better about themselves?

    O’Reilly: Whining isn’t everything; it’s the only thing.

  2. smhll says

    Hmmm, voters who are non-tradition. He’s being a little bit clever in his choice of noun, but his choice of adjective reveals a lot. See, women of every color and men who aren’t white are traditionally considered to not really be people, at least not the kind that are endowed with rights.

  3. dingojack says

    ‘That coalition was non-tradition, which means it veered away from things like traditional marriage, robust capitalism, and self reliance.”
    Citations required.
    Dingo

  4. dingojack says

    The right-wing echo chamber – Whining isn’t everything, it’s the only thing*.
    Dingo
    —–
    * Give the rest their due

  5. Michael Heath says

    Cable TV and conservatives gave us Bill O’Reilly, while the Internet provides us with an avenue to show what a buffoon he really is though it also provides the resources to promote his swill.

    I hardly ever watch him anymore like I used to for snippets at a time. But I did after the election where he focused on two items. Somehow he was right about the election results in spite of claiming the pollsters were all wrong in their state-by-state predictions by giving the nod to President Obama for the entire campaign season. His reasoning on why was so incoherent I couldn’t figure out his rationalization.

    The second was what Ed reveals here. The CNN exit polls easily falsify his claim. People working full-time split 49%-49%, they didn’t swing for Romney. And the closest populations who I bet best understand the U.S.’s success factors, people with graduate degrees and the youngest voters given mandatory high school civics and American history, both swung strong for the president. College grads also went for the prez. Of course Mr. O’Reilly doesn’t look at civics or our actual history for what is traditional, but instead what the average uneducated religious bigot growing up in the 1950s and 1960s thought America. Where he doesn’t discriminate by geography, no sir; an uneducated Irish Catholic Long Islander who hates blacks has a position equally valid to the red neck Southern Baptist from Mississippi. That’s O’Reilly’s and Fox News form of desired diversity.

  6. harold says

    I seem to recall that the Irish were once “non-traditional voters” in this country

    Once upon a time, a group of people were stereotyped in America.

    The men were stereotyped as stronger and more macho than other men, good at occupations requiring muscle, and also likely to be musically gifted, but also prone to substance abuse, impulsive, violent, and much more likely to be convicted criminals than other men, with a distinct tendency to riot.

    As for the women, the younger ones were stereotyped as immoral and loud-mouthed, whereas the older ones were paradoxically seen as intensely religious and very good at taking care of children and house-cleaning.

    Both genders were viewed was having an excessive respect their religious clergy, however transparently flawed members of their clergy might seem to others.

    And that group of people, who endured those stereotypes, was…people of Irish descent, of course.

    Who else could I possibly mean?

  7. raven says

    O’Reilly is just babbling for money.

    It wasn’t that long ago that the Irish and Catholics were “nontraditional” and heavily discriminated against.

    Same for the Italians and Slavic people.

    IIRC, the anti-Catholic bigotry started fading in the 1960’s. It still exists in some places, mostly fundie xians like Jeffress, Hagee, and the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutherans.

  8. D. C. Sessions says

    The “real American” definition is, of course, tautological — those who agree with the Republican platform (whatever it might be this year) are “traditional Americans” and those who don’t, aren’t.

    So when it comes time for “love it or leave it,” the 30% or so of Real Americans will inherit the country from the 70% or so (including Apache, Navajo, Cheyenne, Blackfoot, Cherokee, etc.) who have to ship out.

    Because, you know, they believe in democracy and the rest of us don’t.

  9. says

    The thanksgiving holiday gives me a chance to see some of my conservative Fox News watching relatives. Like the ex-police officer who retired with a full pension at 55 with his predictable anti-government, anti-“freeloader” attitudes. He and his equally conservative mother were saying how much they like Bill O’Reilly because he’s so much more moderate than some of the others on Fox, like Hannity. I don’t like to argue on family holidays, so I tend to be quiet until the conversation drifts back to football or something.

  10. thephilosophicalprimate says

    Tom the Dancing Bug nailed O’Reilly’s “traditional America” nonsense for what it really amounts to here.

  11. steve84 says

    In practice it’s always the Republicans who spend more money and hire more people. And of course “oversight on abortion” = big government

  12. Michael Heath says

    Re the Jon Stewart videos: I’m increasingly leaning towards loving Mr. Stewart’s writers, not Stewart on his own. While the written parts of his show that go viral are awesome, Stewart’s interviews seem to have coming in with increasingly worse results. Mike Huckabee recently ate Stewart for lunch where Stewart so woefully unprepared and unwilling to respond to the most obvious logical fallacies held dearly by conservative Christians.

  13. says

    Michael Heath:

    Mike Huckabee recently ate Stewart for lunch where Stewart so woefully unprepared and unwilling to respond to the most obvious logical fallacies held dearly by conservative Christians.

    Exactly.

    Stewart is caught in the Accomodationists’ Paradox, in which he is unwilling to confront any bullshit that is labeled “religion” simply to avoid the label of “anti-religion.” He’s willing to call out political bullshit, and he does so like nobody’s business. But take the exact same bullshit, roll it up in the veneer of religious belief, and suddenly he’s as careful as Ellen Ripley in a field of face-hugger eggs.

    Then again, it also seems he avoids confrontation with his guests these days. It might not be strictly religious.

  14. Victor says

    each constituency that voted for the President — whether it be single women, Hispanic Americans, African Americans, whatever — had very specific reasons for doing so.

    Don’t you hate those people who have specific reasons for voting a certain way? Voting should be based on feelings and how loud the commentators on Faux News shout.

  15. says

    “… it veered away from things like traditional marriage.”

    Yes, traditional marriage, where the husband pleasures his ass with a vibrator as he masturbates while sexually harassing an employee on the telephone with fantasies about getting her drunk and rubbing falafal and loofah all over her in the shower.

  16. mithrandir says

    Re: the Huckabee interview on TDS: Jon Stewart has always been extremely soft during interviews – witness the two David Barton interviews where his outright lies went completely unchallenged. It could be a matter of all the hard-hitting stuff coming from TDS’s writers rather than Stewart himself, or it could be (ironically enough) a policy of not seriously challenging interviewees so that they can keep getting people booked for interviews.

  17. martinc says

    Those John Stewart video links you guys post always come up with ‘Sorry, this video is unavailable from your location’.

    Hey, wait … is that what you mean by ‘American exceptionalism’?

  18. harold says

    Billo has it exactly wrong in another way, to –

    The entire post-modern Republican Fox/Limbaugh/Tea Party apparatus owes existence to the relatively large proportion of “non-traditional voters” in the US to begin with.

    Whites don’t vote for current Republican style policies, in serious numbers, in other developed countries. And they didn’t do it here, either, before the Civil Rights Act. (Many other things that uniquely or especially impacted the US, like Vietnam, the oil crisis, Iranian hostage crisis, environmental issues, etc, helped, but let’s face it, none of that had anything to do with Willie Horton, “You needed that job but they gave it to a minority”, etc.)

    It’s not (always) personal level racism per se, it’s just that it’s a lot easier to run on dog whistle appeals to instinctive tribalism in an ethnically diverse society.

    In fact, you could easily say that it’s because of their failure with “traditional” white voters that Romney and Ryan lost. Of course you lose the African-American vote, the gay vote, the Hispanic vote, and the Asian vote by running on (or with) dog whistle racism, homophobia, and xenophobia. However, Romney could have still won with massive enough numbers of white votes outside the south.

    They lost couldn’t get them. The Pacific Northwest and New England are out of Republican reach now. Guess what, those areas are largely white. They lost Colorado. New York and California would be competitive if all whites voted Republican (as in Mississippi); they aren’t even close. They’re a party running on a “southern strategy” that just lost Virginia and Florida, almost lost North Carolina, and even have potential problems brewing places like Georgia. Forget Illinois, they can’t even get enough white votes in Virginia.

    It’s NOT just that whites are shrinking as part of the electorate, it’s also that whites in many formerly competitive areas don’t vote Republican any more.

    It’s annoying that the likes of Clinton and Obama took the Democrats so far to the right, but in doing so, they may have slowly strangled the Republicans. Gerald Ford was the last Republican who could have conceivably been “more liberal than the Democrats on some issues” (formerly a common phenomenon). Since they are forced to run to the right of the Democrats, Democrats were able to squeeze them into looking nuttier and nuttier. If all you can do is pass me on the right, all I have to do is drive reasonably close to the right. The left will be wide open but you’ll run off the right side of the road trying to pass me on the right. This is why Clinton/Obama tactics worked, from a purely election-winning point of view.

    Finally, let me rhetorically point out to Billo that a Mormon and a Catholic making up the Republican ticket is by far the least traditional Republican ticket in history.

  19. bradleybetts says

    “Traditional American voters generally want a smaller government in Washington, more local control, some oversight on abortion, and believe in American exceptionalism.”

    Traditional American Voter = Anyone who agrees with ME.

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