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Republican Myths About Overvoting

Joseph Farah and many others are screaming “voter fraud!” based on some easily debunked numbers, though it’s clear they haven’t even tried to check them out. For example, they’re claiming that in St. Lucie County, Florida, there were more ballots cast than eligible voters:

Out of 175,554 registered voters, 247,713 vote cards were cast in St. Lucie County, Florida on Tuesday. Barack Obama won the county.

When faced with the astronomical figures, Gertrude Walker, Supervisor of Elections for St. Lucie County, said she had no idea why turnout was so incredibly high. She was flabbergasted, saying, “We’ve never seen that here.”

Yeah. Now look at the article he links to and what it actually says:

70.7% of the district’s 175,552 registered voters cast their ballots in the election. That’s a lower percentage than the 2008 election, which saw 77% of registered voters cast ballots. Walker had originally predicted 80% of voters would turn out.

And then look at the actual voting results for the county. The number for “cards cast” is not the same as the number of ballots turned in and votes recorded. That’s because the ballot was two pages long, so the number of cards cast is twice the number of ballots. If they’d just looked at those numbers they would see that 123,591 votes were cast for president out of 175,554 eligible voters. That’s 70.4%. Gee, that’s almost exactly half of 141%, isn’t it? Reading isn’t the only thing that’s fundamental; thinking is too.

Comments

  1. captainahags says

    Number of cards cast should be twice the number of ballots cast, not half, if I’m reading this correctly. Either way, it’s amazing how so much voter fraud can be committed so subtly that absolutely no evidence can be obtained more specific than “I saw more minorities than usual, VOTER FRAUD! Oh and I’m definitely not racist, I have a black friend.”

  2. eric says

    That’s because the ballot was two pages long, so the number of cards cast is half the number of ballots.

    I think you mean “twice the number.” As in: there were 247,000 cards cast, approximately two for each of the 123,000 voters who showed up, because each voter turned in a card per page, and there were two pages.

  3. Taz says

    That’s because the ballot was two pages long, so the number of cards cast is half the number of ballots.

    Should that be “the number of cards cast is twice the number of ballots”? It’s the “Cards Cast” figure that’s higher than the number of voters.

    At any rate, why do they report it like that? It’s very strange to have a column called “% Turnout” and have all the percentages be > 100%

  4. dingojack says

    Perhaps whirled nuts daily deserves am award for disinterested, incurious, indifferent, uninterested, unskeptical, unconcerned, disorganised, chaotic, disorganised, illogical [all being antonyms of 'investigative'] ‘journalism’ .
    Dingo

  5. Zugswang says

    What is it with Republicans and math?

    Not so much Republicans, per se, but business people, who are largely Republicans. When you spend most of your career making numbers do what you want them to do, you’re invariably surprised when you suddenly find yourself in an environment where math isn’t subjective.

  6. dingojack says

    Hey Joe –
    Is that the math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better –
    or is it real?
    Dingo

  7. DaveL says

    Not so much Republicans, per se, but business people, who are largely Republicans. When you spend most of your career making numbers do what you want them to do, you’re invariably surprised when you suddenly find yourself in an environment where math isn’t subjective.

    I don’t know if that’s a fair criticism of business people in general. Certainly there are large numbers of business people who use math to draw meaningful inferences from actual data in order to make sound decisions. Then of course there are those who apply math in dubious ways to questionable figures, whether to better support a preferred option or to camouflage a deeper lack of understanding from colleagues and superiors who lack the background to call them on it. In the latter case, however, I’m sad to report that this is an affliction that infects engineers as well.

  8. typecaster says

    Not so much Republicans, per se, but business people, who are largely Republicans. When you spend most of your career making numbers do what you want them to do, you’re invariably surprised when you suddenly find yourself in an environment where math isn’t subjective.

    Having spent several decades working with business budgets for projects and departments, I find the idea that this was all “subjective” and not tied to reality very… odd. When payroll comes due, or the supplier wants his net-thirty, there better be real, spendable money in the bank, or reality gets very cranky.

    The foregoing, of course, should not be read as defending Republican asshats.

  9. stace says

    Reading, logic, and arithmetic have a well-known liberal bias.

    The sciency stuff too, extremmely liberal.

  10. scienceavenger says

    “I saw more minorities than usual, VOTER FRAUD! Oh and I’m definitely not racist, I have a black friend.”

    …that I play basketball with.

  11. Rodney Nelson says

    Not so much Republicans, per se, but business people, who are largely Republicans. When you spend most of your career making numbers do what you want them to do, you’re invariably surprised when you suddenly find yourself in an environment where math isn’t subjective.

    If your business dealings with numbers do not have a good congruence with reality, you will probably find your company has to declare bankruptcy. Plus there’s a good possibility that people will stick badges in your face and ask you embarrassing questions, the first one being “do you understand your rights as I’ve explained them to you?”.

  12. Chiroptera says

    Out of 175,554 registered voters, 247,713 vote cards were cast in St. Lucie County, Florida on Tuesday.

    How would that even be possible? In every jurisdiction I’ve ever voted in, you have to identify yourself to the election people who then check you off the list. Don’t these clowns realize that people would be saying, “hey, wait a minute,” when so many people tried to vote with the same names?

    Have any of these clowns ever voted? This sounds just like how the birthers seem to have never seen a birth certificate.

  13. laurentweppe says

    Have any of these clowns ever voted? This sounds just like how the birthers seem to have never seen a birth certificate.

    It’s basically the same thing: they decided that Democracy sucks because they didn’t win but since they don’t have the guts to openly admit it, they play dumb.

  14. anubisprime says

    @ 19 [...] they play dumb.

    @ 20 Very convincingly.

    I think on that performance they are not actually ‘playing’ at being dumb…they made it easily over the bar with room to spare!
    I suspect they have been practicing, assiduously!

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