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Kupelian Makes Predictions

Mycroft Holmes was Sherlock’s even smarter brother; David Kupelian, the #2 guy at the Worldnutdaily, may be Joseph Farah’s even dumber and crazier brother. In his latest bit of lunacy, he’s making predictions about what will happen if Obama is reelected. It’s predictably apocalyptic.

I anticipate an era of civil disobedience. Outrageous unconstitutional laws have a way of bringing that out of people. Those who remember or even participated in the 1960s Civil Rights Movement know how it awakened the conscience of millions and transformed America’s attitudes and laws regarding segregation in a single generation.

Moreover, as a practical matter, many people confronted with laws and regulations that so fundamentally violate their conscience will simply – like the venerable James Dobson – be unable to follow any course other than what Gandhi called “non-violent non-cooperation.” …

Political violence: If working diligently within the system for constitutional government (and that includes peaceful, principled civil disobedience) is the noble response to intolerable injustice, the “dark side” response to the same provocation would be political violence. If Obama in a second term accelerates his relentless assault on the American system, there may be some who conclude all is lost and that their only response is to commit violent acts in the misguided belief they are channeling America’s founding generation – refreshing “the tree of liberty,” as Jefferson said, with “the blood of patriots and tyrants.”…

Political violence: If working diligently within the system for constitutional government (and that includes peaceful, principled civil disobedience) is the noble response to intolerable injustice, the “dark side” response to the same provocation would be political violence. If Obama in a second term accelerates his relentless assault on the American system, there may be some who conclude all is lost and that their only response is to commit violent acts in the misguided belief they are channeling America’s founding generation – refreshing “the tree of liberty,” as Jefferson said, with “the blood of patriots and tyrants.”…

Thus, while ours is already a nation of drug-takers, with approximately one in 10 adults currently taking dangerous anti-depressant drugs, I believe psychiatric drug dependency – and much more to the point, the mental-emotional conditions that lead to their use – will increase under a second Obama term. He’s one stress Americans really don’t need.

And best of all, de facto secession:

Two factors will combine to result in a movement I would call “de facto secession.” By de facto, I mean that actual, legal secession will not happen…

In other words, people of like mind, who believe in traditional American constitutional values, will be able to find each other over the Internet – and if they wish, move to a common geographic location. They can pick a state – Texas, South Carolina, North Dakota, wherever – and do what the Mormons did in moving en masse to Utah. Utah didn’t secede, but the massive influence of the LDS church there sure made it a great state to live in if you’re a Mormon.

Wouldn’t the federal government interfere? Well, of course. But imagine that enough God-fearing, Constitution-loving people (or as the Department of Homeland Security refers to them, “dangerous right-wing extremists”) move to a particular state and exert sufficient influence on municipal, county and state government that the state eventually stands toe-to-toe with an overreaching federal government and says, in essence: “We don’t need your unconstitutional laws and regulations here, so you can keep them, along with your precious federal funding. We’re creating a climate here that attracts businesses, and we can raise our own revenues and solve our own problems, thank you very much. Goodbye.”

I wouldn’t be surprised if he typed that with one hand. That’s like right wing porn.

Comments

  1. Michael Heath says

    Ed writes:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he typed that with one hand.

    Well, perhaps Mr. Kupelian got the Utah/Mormon analogy by looking at a picture of Glenn Beck as he typed with that one hand.

  2. andrewjohnston says

    So he wants to revive the Free State Project? Think it’ll work as well this time as it did before?

    I wonder what their ideal wingnut state even looks like. Rather a moot point, because none of these idiots are gonna move, but I’m sure they’ve written a lot of political thrillers and science fiction about it.

  3. gshelley says

    He doesn’t seem to actually mention which unconstitutional acts or laws people will object to. I doubt it is the ones Obama has actually being doing, as the right wing nuts are generally in favour of those

  4. Larry says

    He doesn’t seem to actually mention which unconstitutional acts or laws people will object to.

    I had that same observation. This has been a RW meme for 4 years and I can’t figure out what they’re talking about. The only thing possible is that they mean laws that the mythical Obama has enacted (without Congress, BTW). In other words, they are from the Bizarro Obama world that the RW lives in.

  5. jamesfrank says

    As long as they don’t get nukes I’d love it if all the right-wingers moved en masse to their own little corner of the earth and left the rest of us alone. Maybe then we could get a decent government.

  6. Chiroptera says

    gshelley, 4: He doesn’t seem to actually mention which unconstitutional acts or laws people will object to.

    Ensuring that poor people have access to affordable health care and people of color have access to the ballot box are a couple of things they’ve mentioned in the past.

    Ignoring for the moment whether having a President who is not on the far right lunatic fringe can be considered sufficient grounds for non-violent or violent civil disobedience, I can’t see the far right actually reacting against the government. These people seem to be pretty docile in the face of authoritarianism.

  7. Sastra says

    gshelley #4 wrote:

    He doesn’t seem to actually mention which unconstitutional acts or laws people will object to.

    Well, the wingnuts who specifically advocated for a mass exodus to South Carolina wanted to get rid of the unconstitutional laws which separate church from state. They seemed to think the US Constitution was the direct heritage of the Mayflower Pact, and theocracy is allowed as long as the majority wants it. They were going to create a Christian State which followed the laws of the Bible, as the Founder intended.

    As I recall, only a few families moved for this purpose — and that did not include the household of the guy who was the designated leader of the movement.

  8. Randomfactor says

    Jefferson actually said that those whose blood would water the “tree of liberty” are the ones so ill-informed that they are mistakenly upset at their government.

  9. laurentweppe says

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he typed that with one hand. That’s like right wing porn.

    It is right-wing porn.
    Of course, the funny thing is, his “de facto secession” already happened, and the federal government largesse is the only reason southern right-wingers are not starving to death in their galtian utopia

  10. John Hinkle says

    “We don’t need your unconstitutional laws and regulations here, so you can keep them, along with your precious federal funding. We’re creating a climate here that attracts businesses, and we can raise our own revenues and solve our own problems, thank you very much. Goodbye.”

    Well sure. Businesses like Chick-Fil-A, Coors, maybe a Creation Theme Park, and medical attention by Benny Hinn. Tourism will be on the list of “Why Won’t Anyone Come Here And Spend Money?”.

  11. busterggi says

    Of course if all these conservative theocrats ever got their own state it would take less than 6 months before a civil war erupted to determine which segment of the population followed the only ‘true’ religion.

  12. royt says

    This is kind of sad. This sort of makes me think that Ed is jealous of the success of people on the right (because they work hard to achieve their dreams and goals). Ed is obsessed with going after people on the right because they are happy with where they are at in their lives, because of their hard work. I also find it curious that Ed’s little post here mostly consists of those who he is quoting in the post. I mean really, the only item on this post that is Ed’s own words is: “Mycroft Holmes was Sherlock’s even smarter brother; David Kupelian, the #2 guy at the Worldnutdaily, may be Joseph Farah’s even dumber and crazier brother. In his latest bit of lunacy, he’s making predictions about what will happen if Obama is reelected. It’s predictably apocalyptic.” That is not exactly something that someone writes who knows what they are talking about, because all Ed did was call these people crazy without explaining why. I think that Mr. Brayton’s critics are right about him when they say he just goes after people who he either disagrees with, or just those who are smarter than he is.

  13. matty1 says

    A brief scan of the web for info on this ‘free state project’ suggests they are more Randian libertarians than Christianists so there may still be a gap in the market for a ‘right state project’. Also wikipedia says they have 13000 of the 20,000 members they are trying to recruit so the project is not so much dead as slow.

  14. matty1 says

    @13 I feels so sorry for you being forced to read a blog you don’t like. What kind of threats are being used to make you do this, have you considered calling the police?

  15. royt says

    Listen matty1,….I don’t really know what you’re talking about. But I get the feeling that you’re trying to dismiss my argument against this one sided blogsite. I found this blog site because I follow one of Mr. Brayton’s critics, and when I was listening to them the other day they mentioned this blog and how one sided and incorrect it often is. Just thought I would check it out for myself, and as it turns out…..THEY WERE RIGHT!

  16. royt says

    slc1,….my goodness I will pray for you, because that is clearly what you need if you think that. :)

  17. slc1 says

    Re royt @ #20

    Schmucks like Mr. royt do not deserve politeness from me or anyone else who regularly comments here.

  18. royt says

    I just think that those of you who follow this Ed Brayton need to find God and need to spend your time doing better things. I encourage you to listen to other people about issues, maybe even listen to critics of Mr. Brayton,…you might learn something…..

  19. royt says

    Well I don’t see why there is any need for personal insults, but I will say this again. All I am saying is that I was listen to two of Mr. Brayton’s critics one day and they referred their listeners to this blog site, and so here I am checking it out for myself, and I am not impressed with Mr. Brayton at all. His critics are correct about him. Mr. Brayton needs to find God, and make a change.

  20. ottod says

    I love the idea of a like-minded group sequestering themselves, shunning federal law and cooperation, eliminating tiresome regulations, and building an economy free from the influence of the outside world.

    The only problem I can see is that it seems those conditions are economically remarkably similar to China for most of the 20th century, the Soviet Union during the cold war period, and Cuba today. I suppose there is a point of view somewhere from which those places seem like economic and entrepreneurial successes but it’s an odd one. I’m sure the Koch bros. and Walmart would be happy to sell them stuff, but I doubt they’d move their world headquarters there.

  21. royt says

    ottod: “I love the idea of a like-minded group sequestering themselves, shunning federal law and cooperation, eliminating tiresome regulations, and building an economy free from the influence of the outside world.

    The only problem I can see is that it seems those conditions are economically remarkably similar to China for most of the 20th century, the Soviet Union during the cold war period, and Cuba today. I suppose there is a point of view somewhere from which those places seem like economic and entrepreneurial successes but it’s an odd one. I’m sure the Koch bros. and Walmart would be happy to sell them stuff, but I doubt they’d move their world headquarters there.” This is obviously a comment that has been made because of all of the misinformation and brainwashing done by the left. My God, I believe that all of you will eventually see the error of your ways some day. This type of thinking that the left takes part in is self destructive at the very least.

  22. royt says

    I also couldn’t help but notice that Ed hasn’t really come out at all to argue his point, he just has all of his friends on here come out and try to argue for him, but they seem to fail at doing so. People like myself (real Americans who believe in the Constitution and God) don’t bother to fall into the mind trap of the left. That is why I follow God and try to live my life in the best way possible. And instead of following people like Ed Brayton, I tend to follow people that will really teach myself and others something or value. People that I follow, and I would encourage others to as well, are people like Michelle Malkin (an actual blog writer with talent and facts), Michael Savage (a smart and talented radio host), and others just like them. Now in terms of local people, who are critical of Mr. Brayton and others just like him, I think the best local critic of Mr. Brayton would have to be someone who is new to public but is still talented and smart, and that would have to be Chris Staab along with his co-host Rob with their “Right Radio Podcast”.

  23. dan4 says

    “…because all Ed did was call these people crazy without explaining why.”

    An ironic complaint, since Kupelian refuses to specify what “outrageous unconstitutional laws” he’s referring to (gshelley @4 and Larry@5 already mentioned this). He also refuses to elaborate on what he means by Obama’s “relentless assault on the American system” and how/why the federal government would “interfere” with his proposed de facto secession. Your tsk-tsking over non-supported claims is mighty selective.

    I also like this bit: “Ed is obsessed with going after people on the right because they are happy with where they are in their lives, because of their hard work.” Do you feel the same way about people (Ann Coulter, David Horowitz, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, etc.) who obsessively go after people on the left (“Ann/David/Michael/Rush is obsessed with going after people on the left because they are happy with where they are in their lives, because of their hard work.”)…or does your armchair psychoanalysis only travel on a one-way ideological street?

  24. gshelley says

    @Royt
    On the offchance you aren’t trolling
    Ed often posts links to deranged people. Sometimes, he takes them apart, sometimes he just posts them because it is funny to laugh at them. Again sometimes the commentators will contribute, other times just join in the laughter

  25. Sideshow Bill says

    Let’s see, can’t have Texas, too many brown people. Utah, nope too many Mormons. SC? Might work. But three of their largest employers, Michelin, BMW, and Savannah River would leave, and leave them with soon to leak tanks of radioactive waste. Maybe North Dakota, but they’d have to keep all the commie healthcare loving Canadians out. Oh and nuclear weapons, so that’s out. I guess they get Idaho.

  26. says

    royt “…I tend to follow people that will really teach myself and others something or value.”
    Good. I sure hope that following this you list great thinkers, modern or ancient, that help to illuminate the problems and solutions afflicting humanity.

    “People that I follow, and I would encourage others to as well, are people like Michelle Malkin (an actual blog writer with talent and facts), Michael Savage (a smart and talented radio host), and others just like them.”
    So, a Nativist and a conspiracy theorist. Kudos. In the giant Claw Machine of life you managed to grab two lobster harmonicas.

  27. Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze– says

    Royt:

    People like myself (real Americans who believe in the Constitution and God) don’t bother to fall into the mind trap of the left. That is why I follow God and try to live my life in the best way possible.

    (-emphasis mine-)

    Rank Religion Members Percentage
    1. Christianity 2.1 billion 33.0%
    2. Islam 1.3 billion 20.1
    3. Hinduism 851 million 13.3
    4. Buddhism 375 million 5.9
    5. Sikhism 25 million 0.4
    6. Judaism 15 million 0.2
    7. Baha’ism 7.5 million 0.1
    8. Confucianism 6.4 million 0.1
    9. Jainism 4.5 million 0.1
    10. Shintoism 2.8 million 0.0

    Read more: The Top Ten: Organized Religions of the World http://www.infoplease.com/toptens/organizedreligions.html#ixzz2Acbzju3B

    Was there a particular God out of the world’s religions you were referring to? If you can’t find your God on this list, I think there’s one somewhere of the top 25 religions of the world.

    Or were you referring to a God from an ancient religion? A god of the Norse pantheon? Perhaps one from the Egyptian myths?

  28. comfychair says

    As a resident of Mississippi I can tell you that ‘de facto secession’ already happened a long time ago.

  29. Nemo says

    Hey Kupelian, the people in the Civil Rights Momvement? Those were our guys. Your guys were the ones with the hoses. Try to keep it straight.

    Seriously, there are few things more annoying than that kind of revisionism.

  30. Quantum Mechanic says

    royt:

    “People like myself (real Americans who believe in the Constitution and God) […] et cetera, et cetera, and so on.”

    *Yawn* You know, I’m always unimpressed when people start dislocating their shoulders patting themselves on the back over how much more of a “real” American they are in comparison to others. Especially when their much flaunted “love” of the Constitution doesn’t seem to apply to the positions their allies advocate. When I contrast that to Ed’s rather common-place rebuking of folks on the “left” who step over the line where the Constitution is concerned… Well, let’s just he puts his money where his mouth is. Maybe you should search the site using the terms “State Secrets Privilege”.

    Until you are just as willing to condemn your allies for their behavior as you are your enemies, all your squawking is just lip service.

    Also, I love your admission that you believe those who don’t believe in the Christian god are inferior in American-liness.

  31. andrewjohnston says

    Now that I think about it, Colorado Springs already did this. The city has basically no property taxes, so it raises almost no money. They’ve been cutting municipal services, laying off workers (including police and fire), and it’s reached a point where the locals are holding bake sales to keep the lights on. I remember that people were singing the praises of the city’s Great Experiment in Small Government, right up until they ran to the big bad government to save them from the wildfires that their own fire department was impotent to control. There might be a connection there, I don’t know.

    Anyway, I don’t recall a pilgrimage of wingnuts to Colorado Springs, even when things were going (relatively) well.

  32. Ichthyic says

    Well, the wingnuts who specifically advocated for a mass exodus to South Carolina wanted to get rid of the unconstitutional laws which separate church from state.

    For the record, that would be these clowns:

    http://christianexodus.org/

    I’ve been following this site for almost 10 years now.

    It’s amazing how their goals have shifted over that time.

    :)

  33. Ichthyic says

    You know, I’m always unimpressed when people start dislocating their shoulders patting themselves on the back over how much more of a “real” American they are in comparison to others.

    Yup. People like Royt will fight to the death (yours) to protect the rights (his) ensconced in the Constitution.

    what a representative little authoritarian wanker we have here.

  34. Michael Heath says

    royt writes:

    I just think that those of you who follow this Ed Brayton need to find God . . .

    Dammit, God’s missing again. What is that with him?!?

  35. Michael Heath says

    royt writes:

    People like myself (real Americans who believe in the Constitution and God) don’t bother to fall into the mind trap of the left.

    Please link to and quote two blog posts, there’s a two link limit to avoid moderation here, where Ed argues a position in violation of the Constitution. As opposed to the thousands of blog posts he’s written condemning both the left and the right when they violate it.

    royt, do you think the federal government already has a constitutional obligation to defend the equal rights of GLBTs and their families as the lower federal courts are now doing given the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment, e.g., their right to marry. Here’s one of the relevant clauses, the aforementioned equal protection clause:

    No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Do you propose a federal amendment denying gays their right to marry if they choose to do so? If so, is it because you don’t “believe” in the 14th Amendment and other relevant clauses?

    And a hint so you don’t fall into the same idiotic trap most conservatives who act like they’re students of the constitution while demonstrating no ardent study. The government doesn’t grant us our rights, our rights are inalienable just like we see asserted in the DofI. So good luck with task.

    More news royt, “believe” in it has you treating the Constitution like holy dogma filled with objectionable clauses we must faithfully and blindly yield to or we’re not “real Americans”. Here’s some news for you fella, the framers, true Americans all – I swear, actually provided language allowing us to amend the Constitution. Which we’ve done now twenty-seven times. So even if some of us love the thing to death – especially given its protections against conservative Christians and others with fascist, theocratic tendencies who seek to impose religious strictures on all of us. Where our demonstrated fealty to the Constitution doesn’t mean we don’t also simultaneously advocate for improvements, exactly like the framers expected us to do.

  36. Chiroptera says

    royt, #27: …real Americans who believe in the Constitution and God….

    Well, I was born in the US. That pretty much makes me as “real” an American as can be. Even more relevant (in my opinion, if not the law), I still live here, contributing to US society and being affected by the decisions of other Americans. You just can’t get to be any more “real” as an American than I am.

    Just sayin’, is all.

  37. Ichthyic says

    Dammit, God’s missing again. What is that with him?!?

    He saw how successful the “Where’s Waldo” series was in the 90s, and decided to try it out for himself after church attendance started dropping off precipitously all over the world.

  38. iangould says

    Given how the electoral college works and how much this would benefit the other 49 states, shouldn’t sane ameircans be making donatiosn to encourage the great migration?

    The only question is which state should have to take oen for the team.

    I nominate Wyoming or one of the Dakotas since they already have a far right majority so fewer innocent people would be harmed.

    The rationalizations for their inevitable economic collapse would amuse us all for years.

  39. Rob says

    @3

    I wonder what their ideal wingnut state even looks like.

    Read Sheri S Tepper’s Gate to Women’s Country. The wingnut state will be the ‘Holylanders’. Wikipedia give the following description for them in the synopsis:

    “Holylanders”, members of a struggling community to the south of Women’s Country. They practice polygamy and seem to be descendants of rural fundamentalist Christian splinter groups. The Holylanders are brutally misogynistic and treat women as slaves to their husbands.

    Personally, I think the description is a bit kind.

  40. says

    Dear Mr. Royt:

    Am I correct in thinking that your first name is Hemmo? The reason I ask is because you’re definitely a bleeding pustule on the anal orifice of life.

    I’m sorry that I could not be here earlier, fuckface. You really needed to have somebody tell a useless fucking moron like yourself that you’re a useless fucking moron.

    Michael Savage, closeted gay homophobe. Michelle Malkin, anchor baby hatin’ anchor baby. Yeah, those two are great thinkers.

  41. F says

    Jeez royt, Kupelian didn’t have a point and presented no argument, you have not presented an argument so far,
    so what makes you think that Ed needs to make some argument? He’s simply reporting the current word salad from WND, with brief comment.

    If you have some sort of argument about…whatever, then make it.

  42. martinc says

    royt:

    1) Sometimes Ed just posts quotes from idiots. He doesn’t add any text to them as long as the idiocy is obvious, as with Mr. Kupelian’s rant above.

    2) Ed allows the Comments section to fill with comments from other people. That, after all, is what a Comments section is for. I’ve seen those ‘echo chamber’ blogs where nearly all the comments are by the blogger themselves … it is usually an indicator that no-one other than the writer is reading the blog.

    3) As other posters have discussed, Ed is pretty scrupulous about applying his principles to both left and right. The fact that a majority of his pieces are about right-wing nutters is because there are a lot more right-wing nutters about, they’re generally nuttier than the left-wingers, and they get more press.

    If I had a criticism of Ed’s work here, it would be that the quoted paragraph starting with the words ‘Political Violence’ has been repeated (possibly replacing some other paragraph, as the ‘drug-taking’ paragraph that follows it seems a bit of a non sequitur otherwise). Perhaps, royt, you didn’t notice this. Certainly if you frequent right-wing blogs, it’s possible that repetition of the same point is something you are so familiar with that it passes entirely un-noticed.

  43. jayarrrr says

    When Jefferson wrote about “feeding the Tree of Liberty with the Blood of Tyrants and Patriots”, I really don’t think that he intended for it to watered with the Piss of Imbeciles… But you’d be hard pressed to convince your average Teabagger of that.

  44. dingojack says

    Well, to be fair, high nitrogen fertiliser, such as urea, is necessary as blood & bone.
    :) Dingo

  45. reddiaperbaby1942 says

    on de facto successsion: Good riddance! Then perhaps we can finally have a modern, 21st-century country.

  46. dingojack says

    They do realise if they move the approximately 60,000 ‘god fearing, constitution-loving christians’ they’d need to command 10% of the population of Wyoming (the smallest state in the US), and ‘semi-seceded’ they’d still have to follow Federal laws, right?
    Dingo

  47. Crudely Wrott says

    Royt, you’re bloody well royt
    you know you got a royt to say
    Royt, you’re bloody well royt
    you know you got a royt to say
    Ha-ha you’re bloody well royt
    you know you’re royt to say
    Yeah-yeah you’re bloody well royt
    you know you’re royt to say

    Damn! I sure do love this country. Don’t you, Royt? Don’t you? Where else can you piss and moan about justice and equality and the royt to disagree with impunity without being disappeared or at least fined and confined?

    So you’d like to move to a place where you are not so encumbered? Well, royt now I can get you cheap tickets to such wonderful destinations as North Korea, Sudan and Mali! Please hurry though, because these offers wont last! Don’t wait too long and please be sure to tell all your friends. They’ll love it too, and boy howdy, how they’ll thank you for being so royt!

    Royt on, royt on, royt off.

  48. says

    LMAO. Chris Staab is an ignorant little pissant who wouldn’t know a logical argument if it crawled up his pantleg, perched on his ass and yodeled the national anthem. His idea of a serious argument is “Ed’s fat!” Wow, how compelling.

  49. Christoph Burschka says

    I suggest they pick something nice and out of the way like Arizona or Montana. Rename it Gulchtopia or whatever. As a bonus, they’d get their own little piece of national border that they can wall off with a hundred-foot-high electrified fence and guard with snipers in order to feel properly patriotic.

    If it came to it, they should be released from the union and be left to their own devices for some time. Just make sure they don’t take any federal property or military stuff with them.

  50. says

    Interesting thing about Where’s Waldo. The books were originally released in the UK as Where’s Wally, but apparently the US publishers were worried the name was too close to a previously published kid’s book. So the character became Waldo on this side of the Atlantic.

  51. baal says

    At the risk of being open to a complaint of piling on:

    Royt shook his noodle container and then spilled the following:
    “slc1,….my goodness I will pray for you, because that is clearly what you need if you think that. :)”

    And

    “Well that is quite rude of you to say.”

    SCL1 was rude…not a big issue there, he was responding in kind. Royt, if you make it this far in the thread (and aren’t a trollbot), you lose the right to complain about rube when you say you’ll pray for us (him). To an atheist, it sounds a lot like, “I’m getting my daddy to do supernatural bad to you.” It’s not wishing us well. It’s wishing us ill. That is rude. Even if you don’t think it is, we do so don’t do it.

  52. kermit. says

    royt: Ed is obsessed with going after people on the right because they are happy with where they are at in their lives, because of their hard work.

    Do you have any evidence for this at all, or is this another example of a right winger just making crap up? Ed “goes after” people who say stupid things, or who violate a constitutional right of somebody else, and he explains why. Typically, he unfairly and intolerantly “goes after” them by actually quoting them, or sometimes quotes a news article describing their behavior.

    Still, thanks for the offer of prayer. If you are also willing to pray to an imaginary magical king for me, I will reason for you. Fair trade?

  53. says

    “Still, thanks for the offer of prayer. If you are also willing to pray to an imaginary magical king for me, I will reason for you. Fair trade?”

    I picture you doing that and Royt shrieking in horror, “Oh, you wicked, little secularist! I’m melting, I’m melting….”.

  54. Stacy says

    “In the giant Claw Machine of life you managed to grab two lobster harmonicas.” –Modusoperandi

    “When Jefferson wrote about ‘feeding the Tree of Liberty with the Blood of Tyrants and Patriots,’ I really don’t think that he intended for it to watered with the Piss of Imbeciles.” –jayarrrr

    “Chris Staab is an ignorant little pissant who wouldn’t know a logical argument if it crawled up his pantleg, perched on his ass and yodeled the national anthem.” –Ed Brayton

    Don’t mind me, just wanted to collect all the Win in one place. Carry on.

  55. lorn says

    Except for the potential for localized violence, and innocent bystanders being injured in it, I don’t really see any major down side to resistance and/or secession.

    I’ve a few Randian friends who in moments of frustration threaten to “go Galt”. I always suggest they commit to that path and really go for it. But, without exception, they always figure out some way to put up with the situation they find so terrible.

    I see this as a clear case of cognitive dissonance. A conflict they are highly unlikely to resolve without some sort of willingness to test their assumptions by actually doing the experiment. Let’s, for the sake of argument, assume that the radical right really does relocate en-mass to Texas and, despite the fact that Texas takes massive subsidies and benefits from the federal government, they find some creative way to make it work. They would have proved their point at considerable personal risk. Then, from that day forward, the Randians could point to that and declare that as unlikely as that option might have seemed, we all need to see them in a better light and treat them with more respect.

    I really don’t think it would work but I’m willing for them to roll the dice and live with the consequences. That is the Libertarian dogma and living their rhetoric is what they should be doing. As opposed to what they do now, talk personal responsibility while quietly soaking up every give away and handout they can get their hands on. Made worse when they talk dirt about people who are more openly doing the same.

    As for any open violent resistance, I think that the people who think their guns will guarantee their freedoms are unaware of how insurrections actually work. Paul Revere’s ride worked because he could use lights and riders to communicate and move faster than the British. The colonists could act as insurgents because the British had little information of who and where the revolutionaries were. Modern revolutionaries have no such advantage. Radios, satellites and modern transport are the province of wealth and governments.

    Second, the government and wealthy do not fear small arms because they have legions of people at least as well armed who they can hire to shoot it out with the insurgents while they jet off to the Bahamas for the duration of the unpleasantness. Many major corporations have what amounts to their own private army. Those lacking the capability have Xi, or other mercenaries for hire, on speed-dial.

    The kicker is that pretty much everyone who is likely to offer any resistance is already known. The details known about people would make the Stazi at their most powerful envious. Most of it is not collected by or held by any government. Most of it comes from your credit card company, the power company, your cell phone service provider, and your ISP. The government technically needs a national security letter or, if the constitution was abided by, a search warrant. But there is a much simpler way of gaining all that information, you simply buy it. For a surprisingly small amount of money damn near all of those entities will sell you everything you want to know.

    It is called market research and consumer targeting when they buy all that data on a million people at a time. The size, and that it is a commercial transaction obscures the fact that it is, or at least would be, considered an illegal search.

    The bottom line is that the combination of both corporations and wealthy individuals having communications and transport better than any insurgents, access to a large standing army of well trained mercenaries ready to fight for money, and inexpensive access to the intimate knowledge of the activities and relationships of virtually everyone in the US for sale means you have no chance of accomplishing anything by armed resistance other than your own destitution and demise.

    Echoing MIB, when the Libertarian fringe shouts “You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands” the system of wealth and class in the nation considers that an acceptable bargain. They are just waiting to collect on that deal.

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