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Mourdock: God Intended Rape Babies

Another wingnut Republican candidate is getting himself in trouble by saying incredibly stupid and offensive things about rape. This time it’s Richard Mourdock, who is so far to the right that Richard Lugar refused to campaign for him. And he says that it’s God’s will when a woman gets raped and gets pregnant:

Defending his stance that abortion should be illegal even in the case of rape, Mourdock explained that pregnancy resulting from nonconsensual sex is the will of God.

“I’ve struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize that life is that gift from God,” Mourdock said. “And even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.”

Seriously, don’t these guys have campaign managers to tell them not to say shit like that? If not, you should fire them. And if you’re just too stupid not to says it, fire yourself.

Comments

  1. bmiller says

    He is saying this kind of stuff because he probably believes it.

    The problem is not the campaign managers but the belief systems.

  2. left0ver1under says

    If they rationalize it, get away with calling it “what god wants”, then they’ll have open season on women.

    A GOP with GHB will be able to walk away from a rape charge if the victim becomes pregnant. It certainly sounds like their intent.

  3. says

    re: managers. I think these comments are made off the cuff, which is more revealing of what these guys think and how ignorant they really are.

  4. Captain Mike says

    … Mourdock explained that pregnancy resulting from nonconsensual sex is the will of God.

    “I’ve struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize that life is that gift from God,” Mourdock said. “And even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.”

    Using this sort of “logic,” aren’t abortions something God intended to happen as well?

    I don’t think I’ll ever understand why people who believe in an omnipotent being who can be thwarted by medical procedures.

  5. baal says

    Romney is ok with backing Mourdock – or at least I’m still waiting for them to pull the add Romney has backing Mourdock.

  6. Captain Mike says

    Sorry, there’s an extra “who” in that last sentence. Please mentally delete whichever you think is least appropriate.

  7. raven says

    These christofascists seem to be competing to see how anti-woman they can get.

    I can’t see why any woman would vote for them. But Morlock defeated Lugar in the primary so obviously some do.

    capitalnewyork.com:

    A Global Strategy Group poll released yesterday showed Donnelly leading by two points, thanks mostly to independents who were skeptical of Mourdock’s proudly uncompromising approach to governing.

    I don’t know how seriously to take these polls. One a week ago showed Mourlock ahead by 5 points.

  8. busterggi says

    If god didn’t want them raped he wouldn’t have made them women.

    Its somewhere in the bible I think.

  9. John Hinkle says

    And even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.

    God intends everything. It’s the Universal Explanation.
     
    If God gave you cancer, would you be obligated to “carry it to term”?

  10. raven says

    “And even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.”

    Cthulhu, I’m so sick of this trivia.

    “Everything happens for a reason and god is in charge.”

    Which means god wanted Obama to be elected president. It even says that in Romans 13.

    Except when god isn’t in charge and doesn’t want something to happen and it happens anyway. Xians only make up 28% of the world’s population. It’s all god’s fault. US xianity is slowly dying. All god’s plan. God must hate fundies.

  11. says

    “Everything happens for a reason and god is in charge.”

    Which is pure nihilism, of course. A life in which god is in charge has no purpose; we are just helpless puppets dancing to the music of a deranged piper. Christians seem to like that.

  12. Taz says

    I’ve struggled with it myself for a long time

    Really Richard? Exactly how many times have you been pregnant?

  13. says

    Well then, he can convince women to become (his kind of) Christian and they can decide not to have an abortion. I mean, he wouldn’t want to legally compel other people to practice his religion, right?

  14. Reginald Selkirk says

    Captain Mike #5: Using this sort of “logic,” aren’t abortions something God intended to happen as well?

    Of course! If Mourdock broke his leg, he would be free to call it “God’s will,” but that wouldn’t prevent him from going to the hospital and having the bone set.

  15. gopiballava says

    He has clarified what he meant. I can’t find the article now but he said only god can create life.

    In other words: we can get sperm and egg together, but divine intervention is needed for fertilization.

    Since souls are involved, I suppose his beliefs are more logically consistent than they first seemed. God choosing to fertilize and ensoul post-rape doesn’t seem very nice, but He works in mysterious ways that we shouldn’t question, so I’m sure there is some rationalization and we can still call Him good.

  16. wscott says

    To be “fair,” Mourdock’s comment is at least unfalsifiable, as oppossed to Aiken’s demonstrably false pseudo-biology claim.
    (Yeah I know: unfalsifiable is a bad thing in science; but philosophically something that can’t be disproven is a small step up from something that HAS been disproven.)

  17. hexidecima says

    the bible has that rape is caused by god too, 2 Samuel, where god threatens to have women raped to “punish” David. And of course this god intends rape with ever woman taken “captive” by his “chosen people”.

  18. thisisaturingtest says

    That “clarification” just sounds like Mourdock saying, of his own language, “I’ll just say this, which is, it’s not the language I would have used.” Sorry, but if he believes that god is responsible for a life created by rape, then he believes god is reponsible for the rape. Their belief isn’t (or shouldn’t be) divisible between the good they want to attribute to god and the bad they’d rather not blame him for.

  19. Aaron says

    I really do not understand these people. If their god was so omniscient and omnipotent, his plan so complete and encompassing, and they believe that tripe… what possible reason do they have for being one of his short lived mouthpieces? It doesn’t seem to me that their vision of a god needs one. Furthermore, why should they need to ‘change’ any policy, behavior, or situation – isn’t it all just part of god’s plan anyways? If there was a god, maybe he would like abortions, its like instant soul gratification. Netflix versus schedule cable. Who knows, its clear from their written paraphernalia that hes not that nice of a guy.

    I guess, in short, why are some things god’s plans, and other things are ‘god’s plans but we need to help it happen because if we don’t gods plan cant take place for some mysterious reason?’

  20. raven says

    If everthing happens for a reason then:

    1. God created the rapist and made him rape those women.

    2. Who were created by god to be raped by a slime mold.

    If god is on the ball, then Morlock is going to lose this election. God makes malevolent people like Morlock say stupid and hateful things so no one sane will vote for them.

  21. raven says

    I can’t find the article now but he said only god can create life.

    Which is just false.

    We can fertilize eggs in vitro and implant them, a process that has resulted in millions of births.

    Or create clones of animals and in theory, of humans.

    It’s a bit like saying only god can make an internal combustion engine run or make the lightbulb go on when you open the refrigerator.

  22. DaveL says

    He has clarified what he meant. I can’t find the article now but he said only god can create life.

    In other words: we can get sperm and egg together, but divine intervention is needed for fertilization.

    Translation: Mourdock doesn’t know how babies are made.

  23. says

    the bible has that rape is caused by god too, 2 Samuel, where god threatens to have women raped to “punish” David.

    Well, at the heart of all Abrahamic religions is the idea that rape is a crime against the father/husband because it makes his property used goods. Ultimately, this is where the fundjelicals would like to take us back to. Women are to be subservient to men and anything that enables a woman to take control of her sexuality has to go.

  24. Reginald Selkirk says

    By invoking God, Mourdock has made it clear that his opinion is based on his religion, and he therefore has no business imposing it on anyone else.

  25. says

    With this kind of rhetoric floating around I fear it’s only a matter of time before some mentally disturbed man who thinks he is god’s instrument is going to try to rape women so he can give them “god’s gift.”

  26. gerryl says

    Now hear this, Mourdock! YOUR god does not have dominion over MY body. If you can’t understand that, you have no business making laws in this country.

  27. says

    If you believe that God is perfect and everything works according to his plan, then yeah– of course a pregnancy resulting from a rape is intended. But it’s “intended” in the exact same way as every other pregnancy, which is also the say way as earthquakes, pancreatic cancer, and car accidents. Unless Mr. Mourdock means to say that if God intended something then we should do nothing to stop or fix it (in which case he’s either crazy or a hypocrite), then he’s saying nothing of consequence.

    But of course it sounds like he’s saying– and he probably means, if he has any idea what he means– that it’s a case of special intervention, and that God must have looked down and said “Hey, that raped lady needs a baby” and stuck one right in her uterus. In which case she shouldn’t abort, because that’s throwing God’s little gift away.

    It’s that latter sense which is making people mentally dry heave.

  28. Freodin says

    Ah, nah, you all have that wrong!

    It is only when the believer agrees with something that it is “God’s will”. If the believer disagrees, God just let it happen, or it is Satan’s doing or free will or…

  29. dan4 says

    @2: What was the point of your mentioning Jesus’s mother’s religion? That smacks a bit of anti-Semitism.

  30. raven says

    dan4 the troll:

    @2: What was the point of your mentioning Jesus’s mother’s religion? That smacks a bit of anti-Semitism.

    No. What is anti-semitic is your thinking there is something wrong with being Jewish.

    Mary was Jewish. Jesus was Jewish. So what?

  31. laurentweppe says

    I can’t see why any woman would vote for them

    For the same reason some poor and middle-class people vote for the plutocrats: if you can’t beat’em, serve them

  32. iangould says

    While I don’t actually wish for such an occurence, there would be a certain justice in Mooduck’s God visiting him with the blessing of a botfly or mealie worm infestation so he too could know the joy of feeling new life arising from within his body.

  33. rork says

    My community thanks god for nobody dying in our little tornado, the thousands killed in other disasters get little mention.
    I do think that inventing an evil counterpart (like Satan) makes the package more robust, since there is nothing you can’t explain to your tastes then. For really good storytelling, I suggest a pantheon. Or just have your God be capricious and uncaring, so that your anger has focus.

  34. raven says

    I do think that inventing an evil counterpart (like Satan) makes the package more robust, since there is nothing you can’t explain to your tastes then.

    Not really.

    God created satan and the demons and lets them run around doing whatever they do.

    If god is really in charge, he gets the blame for them too.

    Such a god is evil but that won’t bother the fundies. So are they.

  35. says

    Which is pure nihilism, of course. A life in which god is in charge has no purpose; we are just helpless puppets dancing to the music of a deranged piper. Christians seem to like that.

    I’m reminded of the X-file’s better episodes where it had the line (paraphrased) Dangerous not so much because they believe what they do is right, but because they believe they have no choice

  36. lancifer says

    If you believe that a fertilized egg is imbued with the full rights of a completely formed human then you are consistent in believing that even embryos implanted in rape victims and fertilized by rapists should be protected and brought to term.

    Of course you can justify all kinds of idiotic conclusions if you base them on faulty premises.

    This is why at a young age I was frightened by religious people. They were effectively crazy in my eyes and I was afraid that they would do crazy things based on their nutty religious beliefs.

    It was to my horror that I later realized that most people are at least somewhat religious, including my immediate family.

  37. naturalcynic says

    @tommykey:

    With this kind of rhetoric floating around I fear it’s only a matter of time before some mentally disturbed man who thinks he is god’s instrument is going to try to rape women so he can give them “god’s gift.”

    Wrong tense. I’m quote sure that that has already happened bazillions of times.

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