Romney and the White Horse Prophecy


Here’s something I’d never heard of before. Apparently there is something called the “white horse prophecy” in Mormon folklore, an old and unconfirmed story that Joseph Smith once had a vision that in the last days a Mormon will save the country and the Constitution:

The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy.

“You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”

Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.

“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.

The LDS church has always rejected the story, but it apparently continues to circulate among many Mormons. Fundie lunatic Rick Joyner, who thinks Mormonism is a cult, nonetheless thinks that Romney might fulfill that prophecy:

Comments

  1. raven says

    The LDS church has always rejected the story,

    Are you sure? AFAICT, most Mormons believe it fervently.

    Official Mormon doctrine is that they are The One True Church, the real Jews, the Chosen people with the covenant with god.

    They will eventually rule the USA and then the rule. If they are god’s Chosen people with their very own covenant, why not?

    I always find Mormons and Mormon theology pretty creepy. They are obsessed with gaining as much power over nonMormons as they can.

  2. imrryr says

    The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy.

    Hmm, sounds legit. And besides, it’s not like Joseph Smith was known for just making shit up.

    Now, if you’ll excuse me, I just found some golden plates in my backyard.

  3. jamessweet says

    The LDS church has always rejected the story,

    Are you sure? AFAICT, most Mormons believe it fervently.

    This prophecy specifically, or the general ideas behind it? I was raised Mormon and never once had heard of this. Maybe it depends on the community.

  4. Michael Heath says

    “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”

    Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution

    Hey it’s true!!! See this proves it. And if it’s that’s not a enough proof, consider the fact Glenn Beck has been acting as Mitt Romney’s John the Baptist. Yeah, a job Beck’s been reluctant to do just like Moses didn’t want the gig God demanded of him! It’s obvious to everyone except those who are spiritually blind and/or lack common sense.

  5. says

    The mormon church rejects the story as in they officially do on their website (if you search for it). They don’t stop the rumor from flying around all over, and that is despite being one of the most politically involved churches out there. They will issue political talking points about gay marriage and polygamy (and coded ones about the romney campaign) to members but not talk about this? The only reason they haven’t issued a statement is because the media hasn’t picked up on the scandal of it yet. The majority of mormons I’ve met seem to think the prophecy is real- you can routinely find mormons referencing it on utah news websites and other social media.

  6. raven says

    A lot of churches publicly deny what they privately believe and teach. For PR reasons.

    The Mormon church has always been notorious for this.

    They are politically neutral. Just ask them. They say so often.

    And they just threatened to ex-communicate a Mormon blogger for not being too enthusiastic about Romney. You can be a member of any political party you want. As long as it is the Republican party.

    80% of Mormons are GOP.

  7. Synfandel says

    “Power will be given to the White Horse…”

    Seriously? The White Horse? Why so ridiculously cryptic? Why not speak in plain, unambiguous English? Who’s he think he is, Nostradamus?

  8. dougmasson says

    Check out Jon Krakauer’s “Under the Banner of Heaven” which is overall just a great book with a lot of history of Mormonism and the modern FLDS; but also has a running thread about this White Horse Prophecy and the folks who claim to the “the one mighty and strong” in the prophecy.

    Sally Denton, writing for Salon, had a story about Romney and the White Horse Prophecy back in January:
    http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and_the_white_horse_prophecy/

  9. says

    To my knowledge, the White Horse prophesy, specifically, is rejected by the First Presidency. However, the general belief that Mormons will take control of the United States government and “save” it by turning it into a Mormon theocracy is very widely held and unofficially endorsed at all levels of the church. This doctrine is the primary reason why Mormons are strongly encouraged to be politically involved, to run for office and support and vote for other Mormons.

  10. busterggi says

    The White Horse eh?

    Mr. Romney, I knew the Lone Ranger and his great white horse Silver. The Lone Ranger and Silver were friends of mine. You, Mr. Romney, are no Lone Ranger or Silver.

  11. Artor says

    So which is it going to be? Will the Mormons save the Constitution, or are they going to control the government? The fact that the wingnuts can’t understand that those objectives are mutually exclusive says it all.

  12. says

    I read the comments in the thread with dread, thinking that someone surely would beat me to it. But, no, I get to say it first.

    Fuck Mittmoroni and the White Horse he rides in on.

  13. dingojack says

    Demo – I thought of:

    “When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, ‘Come and see.’ So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth”.

    Dingo

  14. StevoR says

    @5. typecaster :

    Or at least the back half.
    C’mon, you were all thinking it.

    Dunno ’bout “all” but I certainly was!

    What Mitt the Shit spews from his mouth does seem to confirm that theory bein’ horseshit an’ all.

    @10. Synfandel :

    Seriously? The White Horse? Why so ridiculously cryptic? Why not speak in plain, unambiguous English? Who’s he think he is, Nostradamus?

    Well, if it *was* clear it would be easily falsifiable and couldn’t be twisted and interpreted a hundred ways so’as to be made into whatever suits at the time and denied / ignored once whatever was predicted failed to come to pass now could it?

    (Remember there were apparently 88 “good” reasons why teh Rapture was supposed to arrive in 1988!)

    Also it probably is expecting a bit too much that any divinely inspired prophecies handed down from an all knowing all powerful gawd (as opposed to being pulled from a con-mans arse) be either crystal clear in their specifics or actually useful. Oh wait..

    @12. Gregory in Seattle :

    This doctrine is the primary reason why Mormons are strongly encouraged to be politically involved, to run for office and support and vote for other Mormons.

    ‘Cept for when the Mormon candidate is Jon Huntsman natch.

  15. Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven says

    Whoa. Killing is one thing, but killing with death?!

    I suppose it could be worse…it could be a prophecy that he’d kill them TO death!

  16. StevoR says

    @16.democommie :

    Fuck Mittmoroni and the White Horse he rides in on.

    Seconded by me.

    Screw Mittens Rmoney and the Horseshit prophecy!

  17. StevoR says

    @Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven :

    Killing w death?

    I ‘spose that’s the technique whereby the Pale Horseman picks up the Grim Reaper, (ie death personified aka Skeletor) and bonks people over the heads with ‘im?

  18. dingojack says

    Azkyroth – it’s interesting you said that, I said exactly the same thing. The Greek 1550 Stephanus NT has ‘εν θανατω’, the Vulgate has ‘et morte’ but the Hebrew Habrit Hakhadasha/Haderekh has ‘להרוג ולהשמיד ברעב, במלחמות, במחלות’ (Kill and destroy with hunger, wars, diseases…) which is, I suppose what was meant.
    Dingo

  19. dingojack says

    Stevo – I thought that was more in Ezekiel‘s line…
    :) Dingo
    —–
    ‘Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones
    Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones…’

  20. says

    StevoR “‘Cept for when the Mormon candidate is Jon Huntsman natch.”
    To be fair, he did accept a position from Obama, working for the betterment of the country. If there are two things the GOP’s Base can’t stand…

  21. martinc says

    “Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off”

    ‘The White Horse’ is clearly an English-style pub. This prophecy is just saying “it will come to pass that drunk rednecks will gather in bars and blame everything on furriners” … which frankly, as a prophecy, is up there with predicting the sunrise.

  22. Aliasalpha says

    “Dear diary, today I was having lunch at that nice new restaurant and 2 tables over there were a couple of guys talking about joseph smith and it sounds like they actually KNOW him! They were going on about him wanting to find a white horse, it must be a prophecy, there is no other explanation!”

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