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Boykin Measures the Religion in Islam

Retired Gen. Jerry Boykin continues to spew some of the most outlandish rhetoric in the country. He’s long claimed that Muslims should not be covered by the First Amendment, repeating the tired and absurd line that Islam isn’t a religion but is a political ideology, but now he’s actually put a number to it:

Boykin: Islam is not a religion, now it has a religious component, 16 percent of Islam is religion, but the rest of it is a legal system, a geopolitical system, a military system, a financial system, it’s a totalitarian way of life and they say that. But our media and our leadership reject what they say about Islam so it’s incredible that we are just so politically correct and so afraid of these people. Where are the men of courage like the Founding Fathers that knew if they didn’t succeed they were going to be executed as being traitors, where are those kind of people today? Well you know where they are? They’re the Janet Parshall’s, they’re the Joel Rosenberg’s, they’re the people that are willing to stand up and speak openly about this stuff and take the ire of the media and critics.

That’s hilarious. Hey Jerry, how did you measure that? Inches? Pounds? Certainly not that commie pinko metric system. And he still doesn’t have a clue what free speech is:

Boykin: The worst period was 2003 when I was the front story on every news program and every newspaper for my Christian faith and for boldly proclaiming that our real battle was not against the Taliban or the Al Qaeda but was a spiritual battle and that certainly did not sit well. I also said that our real enemy in what we’re dealing with is Satan, you know when you expose Satan you must expect a reaction. So I took quite a beating for quite a while and I was devastated by it, I must tell you, the First Amendment that I protected for over three decades at that time, only to have the media turn on me, but you know what I’m a lot tougher now as a result of it and I don’t really care what they think because ultimately I answer to God and not to man.

Uh, Jerry. You didn’t protect the First Amendment; in fact, you’ve been arguing in favor of tearing it down for years now. And your free speech is not in any way at risk just because the media criticizes you for saying stupid things all the time.

Comments

  1. says

    I also said that our real enemy in what we’re dealing with is Satan, you know when you expose Satan you must expect a reaction.

    As in wondering how a nutcase became a general and just plain jawdropping disbelief.

  2. says

    Uhm… I’m not an American, so maybe I’m uninformed here, but my understanding was that the first amendment applies to political speech at least as much as religious, so why would this even matter? Seems like saying “You can’t put those apples in the fruit salad, they’re not oranges!”

  3. criticaldragon1177 says

    Ed Brayton,

    Based on Boykin’s logic, given all the laws in the old testament, and their proscribed punishments, couldn’t people argue that Judaism and Christianity are political ideologies rather than religions? Its not like you couldn’t come to any conclusions about what sort of government we should have, based on the Bible. In fact isn’t he one of those people who claims despite the evidence that America was founded on Biblical principals?

  4. criticaldragon1177 says

    Stuartsmith,

    You Wrote,
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    Uhm… I’m not an American, so maybe I’m uninformed here, but my understanding was that the first amendment applies to political speech at least as much as religious, so why would this even matter? Seems like saying “You can’t put those apples in the fruit salad, they’re not oranges!”
    ——————————————————————————-

    Yes it was, but it wasn’t meant to prevent the media from refusing to run your commentaries. That’s not the same thing as government censorship. Boykin can still get religious right media outlets to run his stupid commentaries anyway, and no government agency will stop them.

  5. slc1 says

    As I believe I stated previously on this blog, I once started to read a novel by Joel Rosenberg but gave up after 20 pages as it was totally nuts. Rosenberg is a member of the McLean Bible Church, whose beliefs would give the Scientologists a good run for their money for insanity.

  6. pembroke529 says

    This type of logic fed directly into Osama bin Laden’s (OBL) strategy, that was revealed in the documents recovered by the Navy Seals. Get the west to direct their hate at Muslims, not al Qaeda or Taliban.

    Obama didn’t get that memo and targeted the terrorists, pissing off OBL in a large way ….

  7. criticaldragon1177 says

    Hunter,

    Ironically, come to think of it, Jerry Boykin is probably a supporter of David Barton

  8. laurentweppe says

    This type of logic fed directly into Osama bin Laden’s (OBL) strategy, that was revealed in the documents recovered by the Navy Seals. Get the west to direct their hate at Muslims, not al Qaeda or Taliban.

    19th century french anarchists called it “la propagande par le fait“: do a bunch of terrorist attacks in the name of “the proletariat”, let the power-that-be react by oppressing the poors, then point and tell “SEE? We told you they were out to get you” in order to put them on your side.

  9. busterggi says

    Too bad he won’t examine the bible the same way. Having read it I know that most of it is ancient political bullshitting, especially the OT and the whole of Revelation.

  10. Michael Heath says

    slc1 writes:

    As I believe I stated previously on this blog, I once started to read a novel by Joel Rosenberg but gave up after 20 pages as it was totally nuts. Rosenberg is a member of the McLean Bible Church, whose beliefs would give the Scientologists a good run for their money for insanity.

    I don’t know Mr. Rosenberg. I do know some families which attend McLean Bible Church. What I’ve shallowly studied about this church puts them square in the group of evangelical denominations which market themselves towards younger and middle-age suburbanites.

    So are you claiming all mainstream evangelicals are as insane as Scientologists, or are you instead claiming McClean Bible Church members somehow distinguish themselves as being even more insane than mainstream evangelicals? If the latter; how so?

  11. Stacy says

    Uhm… I’m not an American, so maybe I’m uninformed here, but my understanding was that the first amendment applies to political speech at least as much as religious, so why would this even matter? Seems like saying “You can’t put those apples in the fruit salad, they’re not oranges!”

    Yep, you’re correct. So even if Boykin were correct about Islam being a political ideology, it would certainly still be covered by the 1st Amendment, so his argument isn’t just stupid, it’s fractally stupid. It’s stupid all the way down.

  12. Sastra says

    Boykin: Islam is not a religion, now it has a religious component, 16 percent of Islam is religion, but the rest of it is a legal system, a geopolitical system, a military system, a financial system, it’s a totalitarian way of life and they say that.

    So, the Muslims are supposed to leave their faith at the door when they deal with law, politics, the military, finances, and how they actually live their life — or else they’re not totally religious?

    I thought the ultimate goal of being a pious, devout, sincere religious person is that your faith infuses and informs absolutely everything you do (and everything your neighbor does, too)? Given Boykin’s way of measuring religosity, the most religious of the religious would be secular Jews.

  13. zmidponk says

    stuartsmith #2:

    Uhm… I’m not an American, so maybe I’m uninformed here, but my understanding was that the first amendment applies to political speech at least as much as religious, so why would this even matter? Seems like saying “You can’t put those apples in the fruit salad, they’re not oranges!”

    I’m not American myself, but, as I understand it, to the Religious Right fundies in America, religion is the absolute paramount thing to consider at all times, so, obviously, the First Amendment must have been intended to protect religious speech, and the protection of other speech is just a probably unintended side-effect. The fact the text of the First Amendment doesn’t actually say this is just a minor, unimportant detail.

  14. Michael Heath says

    slc1 writes:

    I suggest that ole Heath attempt to read one of Rosenbergs novels. If he does, he will find that the man is a nutjob. By the way, are we talking about the McLean Bible Church located in McLean, Va.? That’s the one that Rosenberg attends.

    Mr. Rosenberg’s supposed nuttiness can not be representative in regards to your claim that the members of McLean Bible church “give the Scientologists a good run for their money for insanity“. Do I really have to go point by point on why that is?

  15. slc1 says

    Re Michael Heath @ #17

    And ole Heath conspicuously declines to tell us if he is referring to the McLean Bible Church in McLean, Virginia. It is my understanding that that outfit has other affiliates located in other states. And Rosenberg is far from the only nutcase who attends services in that church.

  16. Michael Heath says

    slc1 writes:

    ole Heath conspicuously declines to tell us if he is referring to the McLean Bible Church in McLean, Virginia. It is my understanding that that outfit has other affiliates located in other states. And Rosenberg is far from the only nutcase who attends services in that church.

    The fact McClean Bible Church has satellite locations only amplifies the idiocy of your claiming all members are crazy from your perspective merely because one member is deemed crazy by you.

  17. dingojack says

    Ah Jerry – weren’t you the one pushing the old fundie line: “Christianity isn’t a religion, it’s a way of life”? Guess Christianity isn’t really a religion after all.
    The fundies will be handing the government all the back-rent they owe real soon now, right Jezza?
    Dingo

  18. greg1466 says

    Islam is not a religion, now it has a religious component, 16 percent of Islam is religion, but the rest of it is a legal system, a geopolitical system, a military system, a financial system, it’s a totalitarian way of life

    This instantly brings forth a question that I’ve found myself asking quite a lot. Have you actually read the Bible?!?

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