Here’s a head scratching statement from Sandy Rios, formerly of Concerned Women for America and now the host of a radio talk show for the American Family Association. She seems to have forgotten about two entire wars that George W. Bush launched:
Rios: The problem with Islam, and we know this Bill, I would like to say, in fact I was going to write this article and I’ll just spill the beans on the air and that is they keep talking about what George Bush left this president and they’re talking about the horrible economy and what a mess he left and they haven’t been able to even turn it around in four years because it’s horrendous. But I’ll tell you what else he left them; he left them peace, he left them peace for ten years. And now that’s going ragged because we have been operating under Obama’s policies for the last four years and we are reaping the bitter fruits of chaos not only in the Middle East but in the world at large because we have not been dealing with them with strength.
Peace for 10 years? What 10 years would that be?
Her guest on the show was none other than William Murray, son of Madilyn who is now among the looniest of right wing Christians. He claimed that Islam is not a religion at all:
Rios: There are some people who are saying very strongly that Islam should no longer be considered a religion, that that is causing the confusion, it should characterized as a political system, a dangerous, fascist political system and not a religion. How would we make that distinction and do you agree?
Murray: It is a socio-political system; there is absolutely no doubt about that. If something comes along and says it is a religion but it has to control all aspects of government, fi something controls all aspects of government it simply is not a religion. The problem that we have in the West and it’s a matter of definition, and it comes out of early Christian persecution in the early Roman Empire, is that anybody that says they are anything automatically is.
Seriously? Do I really have to copy the constant statements from Christian right leaders saying that the government should follow what the Bible says here?
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gshelley
September 24, 2012 at 9:44 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Well, he didn’t kill Bin Laden, and IIRC, most of the other AlQuaida leaders have been killed during the current administration.
So perhaps she meant that. I doubt it, I imagine she has no idea what she is talking about.
arthurski
September 24, 2012 at 9:47 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
WAR == PEACE
Mr Ed
September 24, 2012 at 9:57 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Conservative Boggle – take a conservative quote and see how many truthful statements you can fine in 90 seconds.
Marcus Ranum
September 24, 2012 at 9:59 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
He means that nobody attacked the US Homeland. We exported all the violence to other people’s homelands, see? They don’t matter, so – peace.
imrryr
September 24, 2012 at 10:00 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
If only Sandy were a liberal, then Fox News could run the headline, “Sandy Rios says Iraq War never happened. Implies that the sacrifices of our troops were completely imaginary.”
raven
September 24, 2012 at 10:04 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Which isn’t right either. The 9/11 attacks happened when Bush was in power.
Fundie xianity causes cognitive impairment. There is a huge amount of data on this.
Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)
September 24, 2012 at 10:22 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Presuppositional politics: Anything bad is unique to Obama.
Ellie
September 24, 2012 at 10:31 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Ten years? Was GW Bush in office for two and a half terms, and I was in a fugue state and didn’t notice?
Larry
September 24, 2012 at 10:41 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Its so easy to be a right winger. You get to make up your own realities and spew them out on the radio where other RWers will hear them and nod their heads in agreement even if the realities they are hearing are different than the ones they are currently making up.
andrewjohnston
September 24, 2012 at 11:02 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
@raven: That’s usually interpreted in wingnut circles to mean no terrorist attacks since 9/11 (Anthrax? What’s that?).
blf
September 24, 2012 at 11:19 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Successful incidents, I assume…
Shoe bomber? Underwear bomber? Ink cartridge bombs? …
timberwoof
September 24, 2012 at 11:33 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Oh, really? Does that mean like the Christians who feel they have to proselytize in the US military and in schools and universities; who have to put Ten Commandents up on government buildings; who want to start school board meetings, city council meetings, and high school football games with invocations to their god; who want to make government just small enough to fit in my bedroom; and who want to turn women into walking uterus-life-support systems?
tommykey
September 24, 2012 at 11:34 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Ten years? Was GW Bush in office for two and a half terms, and I was in a fugue state and didn’t notice?
No, Bush was such an awesome president that he only needed 8 years to give us 10 years of peace. Sort of like when you buy an item in the supermarket and the wrapper reads “25% more for the same price.”
LightningRose
September 24, 2012 at 12:10 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
“We’ve always been at war with Eastasia”
Just more doublethink from those who believe “1984″ is a how-to manual.
Tâlib Alttaawiil (طالب التاويل)
September 24, 2012 at 12:16 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
“He claimed that Islam is not a religion at all”
but atheism is still a religion, no?
andusay
September 24, 2012 at 12:36 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
The Ministry of Peace called. They have a job offer for Murray. Call them at 555-1984.
Didaktylos
September 24, 2012 at 12:49 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Applying Orwellian Oceanian principles – this guy Murray is very strong.
andrewjohnston
September 24, 2012 at 1:25 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
@blf: They count failed terrorist attacks as Bush Admin successes, even when Bush had nothing to do with it. Needless to say, they do not afford the same generosity to failed terrorism under this administration. In fact, there’s a list floating around about all the “terror” under Obama that includes failed, aborted, and even thwarted acts, on the grounds that they demonstrate an “environment of terror” or some other such nonsense.
khms
September 24, 2012 at 2:00 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
In re religions controlling the state, I am somewhat boggled that the only examples people come up with are US wannabes.
And here I thought the history of Christianity was chock full of cases where they controlled the state, ever since they first managed to do it under the Romans.
Canossa ring a bell?
raven
September 24, 2012 at 2:08 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Shortly after the xians gained control of the Roman empire it fell to the Germanics. Who ironically enough, were also xians.
dingojack
September 24, 2012 at 2:13 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Tâlib Alttaawiil (طالب التاويل) – asked (#15):
“but atheism is still a religion, no?”
No.
Dingo’s rule of thumb – if it is a set of ideas that revolves has a supernatural being (or beings) that require worship of some kind – then it’s a relgion (it’s only a very rough guide).
Atheists deny that god (or gods) exist, therefore it’s not a religion. Also it lacks dogma and rituals.
Dingo
jimmyfromchicago
September 24, 2012 at 4:07 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Add it to A Conservative History of the United States.
some bastard on the net
September 24, 2012 at 7:54 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
@ Dingo #21
Gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that Talib was asking sarcastically. As in, “William Murray claimed that Islam is not a religion, but I’d bet he’d be one of the first to shriek that atheism is a religion.”