William Owens of the Coalition of African American Pastors, a group of black wingnuts who hate gay people and attack Obama for thinking that they should have equal rights, has an equally batshit son, William Owens Jr, who spews crazy nonsense like this:
The trajectory of Obama’s ideology has finally arrived at its dark destination … a godless America, a family-less America, and an un-American America.
Since Obama has taken the White House, he has been effective in his quest to fundamentally change the course of America. He realizes this is not possible unless he removes the fundamentals of America: God, family and country, even if it means going against the wishes of most Americans, which he has done with disdain and contempt.
In 2008, Obama started his first days as president with a world tour apologizing for America’s exceptionalism in hopes of propping up other countries by putting America down. He relished the opportunity to vent a well-fostered resentment for the country that voted him in as president. A people who fall prey to both Black pride and white guilt became victims of his twisted ideology. Americans did not expect a president would use the sacred office to dislodge their country with a methodology that smells of corruption, deception and apostasy.
You may kiss the bride,” says the pastor as two people of the same sex lean over to kiss each other inside a Bible-believing church. Why? Because Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage would pass laws that would threaten to jail and/or fine pastors who didn’t perform these unions among a group that accounts for less than 2% of the American population. He believes pastors to be homophobic and is committed to punishing such thoughts by law. It is a fact that most Americans, regardless of their religious beliefs, view marriage as being between ONE man and ONE woman. This is how he has purposed to destroy the family – by doing away with it.
If lies and stupidity could be converted to fuel, that would be enough to power the entire country for weeks.
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DaveL
September 12, 2012 at 1:20 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
The funny thing is, if you were to point out that this isn’t true, that various faith groups to this day retain the right not to perform marriages for whomsoever they choose, from divorcees to interracial couples, he would not be relieved. I guarantee you his response would be much closer to denial and anger – and not at churches who deny marriage to interracial couples.
nigelTheBold, Venomous Demonic Hater
September 12, 2012 at 1:22 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
That statement is, in itself, one long fail-train.
Mr Ed
September 12, 2012 at 1:25 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Davel, just because it isn’t true doesn’t make it any less true.
Getting the obvious facts wrong calls everything else into question.
John Pieret
September 12, 2012 at 1:27 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Because Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage would pass laws that would threaten to jail and/or fine pastors who didn’t perform these unions among a group that accounts for less than 2% of the American population. He believes pastors to be homophobic and is committed to punishing such thoughts by law.
Well, Obama has certainly never said that. How does Owens know that’s what Obama intends to do? Mind reading? Isn’t there a little something in the Bible about not using divination?
(Of course, any attempt to fine pastors for refusing to perform gay marriage ceremonies would be unconstitutional.)
Stevarious
September 12, 2012 at 1:39 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
How is such a thing even possible? Wouldn’t anything that America is, by definition, be American?
Randomfactor
September 12, 2012 at 1:53 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
You may kiss the bride,” says the pastor as two people of the same sex lean over to kiss each other inside a Bible-believing church. Why?
Why? Because there are Bible-believing churches which don’t have a problem with that marriage, considering that Christ said not one word against same-sex relationships.
Paul maybe was conflicted on the subject, but he was quite likely in the closet himself. A bad position to be telling OTHERS what to do.
John Hinkle
September 12, 2012 at 1:55 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
So-o-o, endorsements can pass laws?
When bigots rant, their brains disconnect from their mouths.
d cwilson
September 12, 2012 at 2:02 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Haven’t you guys see the stampede to arrest clergy in states like NY, IA, NH, MA, and other places where same-sex marriage has been legalized?
No?
Funny that.
Sastra
September 12, 2012 at 2:10 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Crazy Christians fail to make any distinction between what is immoral and what is — or ought to be — illegal. Perhaps that’s because they’ve taken to heart the fact that, according to the ultimate divine system of justice, they ARE the same thing.
Ace of Sevens
September 12, 2012 at 2:15 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
@6: Bible-believing isn’t redundant. It means inerrantist. Ignoring Paul and Moses and just listening to Jesus isn’t an option under that framework.
usingreason
September 12, 2012 at 2:50 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
There I fixed it.
Christoph Burschka
September 12, 2012 at 3:18 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
This isn’t merely irrelevant, as the number of people supporting segregation was to the question of whether segregation was moral.
It is also a blatant lie. If there were a god, this liar William Owens would have choked on his words.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States#Polls_in_2012
eric
September 12, 2012 at 3:28 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Of course not. This has always been about telling other people what they can’t do. I bet that for every ten people who spout this ‘priests will be forced to marry people against their will’ nonsense, there is probably one who believes it.
Now, to be clear, county clerks and justices of the peace are probably going to have to deal with this. If you are a government employee whose job it is to marry people that are legally allowed to marry, then you can’t decline to do your job simply because you don’t approve of some particular marriage. But as long as a priest is not taking government money to perform a government function, they are safe, and everyone knows that.
In this one respect, the bigotry against gay marriage may have the unintended beneficial side-effect of further separating church and state in states where there is a gray area. I can imagine how, in states that rely on priests to perform the legal function of marriage, you might begin to see conservatives (joining liberals in) arguing for more separation as gay marriage becomes legalized.
billydee
September 12, 2012 at 3:55 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
So much bullshit to wade through. One of the things that struck me was this line “…among a group that accounts for less than 2% of the American population.” Is there a critical mass that a group must reach before they are allowed the same rights as other Americans? Is it 5%, 10%,18.67%?
As far as determining the percentage of LGBT people in a population, unless a completely accurate hand-held queer detector is developed, we will never know the true percentage of LGBT people really exist in a population. It’s getting better, but I remember in the late 60s and early 70s very few gay and lesbian Americans would self-identify in any official way for fear of reprisal. And there are still self-loathing LGBT people who won’t even admit to themselves that they are LGBT.
d cwilson
September 12, 2012 at 3:57 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
I get the feeling a lot of wingnuts think freedom and rights are a zero-sum game. Rights are a limited supply, so if gays get more rights, then someone else has to lose rights to balance the equation.
Rodney Nelson
September 12, 2012 at 4:10 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
d cwilson #15
People like Owens would lose their right to deny rights to others.
macallan
September 12, 2012 at 4:40 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
They have brains?
timgueguen
September 12, 2012 at 5:18 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Owens Jr. is another guy who needs to crack open the Bible again. The majority of Americans presumably beiieve that multiple marriage is wrong, yet the “Good Book” indicates God thinks it;s cool.
Michael Heath
September 12, 2012 at 6:03 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
William Owens, Jr.:
You’d think a black American would strive to end the connotation that ‘dark’ is equivalent to ‘bad’, not perpetuate and justify it.
silomowbray
September 12, 2012 at 6:55 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Again with the buttsecks. They just can’t stand that the buttsecks is happening around them.
I want these theocratic freaks to all die off before I finally kick the bucket myself. That would lend me some small measure of peace.
Nentuaby
September 12, 2012 at 7:05 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Michael Heath– THAT’S the bit of self loathing you twigged on? Not the bit where he said “A people who fall prey to both Black pride and white guilt became victims of his twisted ideology.”?
Fall prey to Black pride!
dingojack
September 12, 2012 at 7:07 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
“Americans did not expect a president would use the sacred office …”
I thought Richard M Nixon resigned before being impeached. Was he, in reality, defrocked? Why was it was not reported at the time?
Dingo
Michael Heath
September 12, 2012 at 8:51 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
William Owens, Jr., Ed’s blockquote starts here:
Me @ 19:
Nentuaby responds to me:
You’re approaching this different than I did. When I start reading an article where I already know the advocate is a conservative, I’m actively looking for how quickly readers are confronted with the first logical fallacy or other objectionable point. The hit rate for me finding such with conservatives is approaching 100% for a recent period of time; where my first observation of a defective point is normally early in the article with many to follow. In this case I didn’t have to get all the way down the middle of the third paragraph to gag, which is where what you quote is located. Mr. Owens had me gagging in the very first line. One way I’ve tracked the descent of conservatism into incompetency is how much earlier in their arguments they depend on promoting fallacies and other obviously defective points; from this perspective Mr. Owens can do no worse since he starts in the very first line Ed reports here.
demonhauntedworld
September 12, 2012 at 9:20 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Chris Rodda had a post recently about the origins of “American exceptionalism”. Taken at its original meaning, Obama should be apologizing for it – or at least trying to explain it.
postwaste
September 13, 2012 at 10:19 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
When I was training to be a minister, I learned if you listen to 4 or 5 of a minister’s sermons, you will know their weakness.