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Sep 06 2012

Dumbass Quote of the Day

Today’s dumbass quote of the day comes from Kevin Swanson, a Colorado pastor who hosts Generations Radio, and Les Riley, leader of the group that tried — and failed — to pass the personhood amendment in Mississippi. Right Wing Watch notes that Riley is a member of Christian Exodus, a group that wants to take over South Carolina, secede from the union and establish a Christian country. They had this exchange on Swanson’s radio show:

Riley: I was in Aurora a few weeks ago helping collect signatures for the personhood amendment out there and help with some of the pro-life work out there and we stayed not far from the theater with a family and I drove by that memorial and it was just a real sobering picture of how ridiculously people would respond to a crisis when they don’t repent, when they don’t turn to God, when they don’t acknowledge their Creator. You see this shooting and rather than crying out to God there’s this big memorial with teddy bears and it’s great that people want to be part of something bigger than themselves but rather than turning to their Creator they again turn to their folly.

Swanson: On Sunday I was preaching from Isaiah Chapter 9 and 10 when people are warned not to embrace those nations that are striking them and I got to thinking about 9/11, remember 9/11, which is probably the most devastating thing which has happened since the War of 1812 at least in terms of an invasion upon our land. God has preserved us for many hundreds of years; we’ve had relative security and peace in this nation for a long time, so 9/11 shows up. These Muslims come in and kill our people so we elect a Muslim as President of the United States. Maybe not a pure Muslim but at least a man who has been very well indoctrinated, rooted, grounded and founded in Muslim theology and he is certainly more sympathetic to the Muslim religion than any other President we’ve ever had in the history of the nation. Five years after the Muslims came in and killed our people! There’s something odd about this, what’s going on here? We see the Muslims killing our people and so we elect a Muslim. Seems to me like we’re not turning back to the true and living God here, are we?

Riley: No, we’re not.

I say we let them move to South Carolina and secede. It will be fun to watch.

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  1. 1
    anubisprime

    That is weapons grade concentrated bigoted ignorance right there…
    Frightening that IQ can actually be that low!

  2. 2
    keith

    9/11was worse than Pearl Harbor?

    A few dozen zealots with razor knives, unaffiliated with any major government, is worse than an all out naval attack by a major sea power?

    Our reaction to 9/11 is arguably worse than our reaction to Pearl Harbor due to the grossly out of proportion response. We invaded two countries, one of which had nothing to do with the attack, and mired this country in 2 decade long wars, shooting ourselves in the head financially.

  3. 3
    blf

    I say we let them move to South Carolina and secede.

    What did South Carolina do(? not do?) to “deserve” these wingnuts?

  4. 4
    John Hinkle

    Ouch, that quote smarts! Ok, ok, it doesn’t smart, it dumbs.

    Personally I think South Carolina is too close to where I live (Chicago). It’d be better if they went a little further… like Atlantis maybe?

  5. 5
    jnorris

    So 9/11 wouldn’t have happened if the USA was a Christian nation. That means so much. Like the non-Christian USA elected George W Bush president, just before 9/11, making him the Non-Christian President.

    It also means that the USA must not have been Christian in 1812 when the British invaded. Nor were we Christian in 1848 during the Mexican-American War, or in 1865 during the Civil War, and again not Christian in 1898 for the Spanish American War.

    Was the USA ever a Christian nation in the 19th Century?

  6. 6
    chuckcain

    I work in SC: will that make me a furriner?

  7. 7
    alanb

    Muslims come in and kill our people so we elect a Muslim as President of the United States… Five years after the Muslims came in and killed our people!

    Once again wingnuts have a problem with basic arithmetic.

  8. 8
    d cwilson

    Maybe not a pure Muslim but at least a man who has been very well indoctrinated, rooted, grounded and founded in Muslim theology and he is certainly more sympathetic to the Muslim religion than any other President we’ve ever had in the history of the nation.

    I don’t know where to begin with this sentence. Is there such a thing as an impure Muslim? In what ways has Obama shown to be more sympathetic to the Muslim religion than say, the president who said “Islam means peace”? By stepping up drone attacks on Muslim communities? And if Obama is so grounded and indoctrinated in Muslim theology, why doesn’t he follow even one of the tenets of the religion, like say, not drinking alcohol?

  9. 9
    laurentweppe

    What did South Carolina do(? not do?) to “deserve” these wingnuts?

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    Ahem: South Carolina:
    •Became the actual center of the slave trade in Northern America during the the 17th century
    •Passed the negro act of 1740 (you know: the one which forbade slaves to learn to read less they became smarter than their fat, lazy, inept, inbred owners)
    •Did not join the other colonies during the war of independance
    •Elected and re-elected a congressman who tried to beat to death an abolitionist senator in the Senate chamber
    •Became the first state to secede
    •Fired the first shot of the civil war at Fort Sumter
    •Passed the Jim Crow laws
    •Kept electing Storm Thurmond

    This is a state which does not “deserve” wingnuts: it cultivates them, like expensive flower grown in greenhouses. As South Carolina native James Petigru said: this is too small to be a republic and too large to be an insane asylum

  10. 10
    Larry

    War of 1812? I might have picked an event a little more recent that, you know, people might actually know something about. I’m sure his home schooling history book must have mentioned it. Happened in December, 1941. It even had a little affect on our peace and security.

  11. 11
    shouldbeworking

    The War of 1812? The US declared war on Britain, IIRC. And then invaded Canada, not very Christian then. Then the US army burned York, marshmallow roast must have got out of control.

  12. 12
    Ben P

    I got to thinking about 9/11, remember 9/11, which is probably the most devastating thing which has happened since the War of 1812 at least in terms of an invasion upon our land.

    Where do you pull 1812 from? Or is this a tacit declaration that the wingnuts don’t consider Hawaii a part of “real America.”

    yeah, in the war of 1812 the british invaded and burned the whitehouse, mainly because the Americans rather intelligently retreated from a largely indefensible DC and fought the main battle at Fort McHenry in Balitmore. However, in context the war of 1812 was rather small, only about 2200 Americans were killed in the war. The british lost 1600 in combat, another 3000 wounded and a number from disease. The whole Baltimore campaign resulted only in a few hundred casualties on both sides.

    In comparison, the battle of Waterloo (less than a year after the Battle of Baltimore) resulted in 25,000 french casualties and 17,000 english casualties.

    The September 11 attacks killed 2996, but pearl harbor killed 2500 and is much more recent than 1812.

  13. 13
    eric

    Arguably, you can add the civil war to previous mentions of Pearl Harbor. Remember, its only because the north won that the southern states are/were considered part of the US the entire time. At the time the events happened, SC did not consider itself part of the US, it was part of the confederacy, a different and distinct political entity (at least, that’s probably what Carolinans would’ve said). Sending SC troops into Gettysburg, Pennsylvania (for example) would have been considered by the confederates to be a confederate invasion upon union land.

  14. 14
    Ben P

    The US declared war on Britain, IIRC. And then invaded Canada, not very Christian then. Then the US army burned York, marshmallow roast must have got out of control.

    I would say that the US was bullied into declaring war. Britain needed whatever they could get to fight Napoleon and weren’t being very diplomatic about it. The US did declare war and attempted to invade Canada, and was soundly defeated. They did win against British native allies in the midwest.

    After Napoleon was put away the first time in 1814 the british got aggressive and invaded New York, DC and New Orleans. They burned DC, but were defeated at Baltimore, and were defeated at New York. The British then agreed to a negotiated end to the war, and after the negotiations were already complete, but before word got out, the British were defeated at New Orleans.

  15. 15
    timgueguen

    Odd that these preacher types think Obama is a Muslim. You’d think they’d have a vague idea of what the basic tenets of Islam are, since it would help in the evangelisaion process. But nope, they’re as clueless as the twits who fling around Marxist when discussing the Democrats.

  16. 16
    Larry

    You’d think they’d have a vague idea of what the basic tenets of Islam are

    Why should they know anything about Islam. They don’t even know their own work of fiction.

  17. 17
    blf

    They don’t even know their own work of fiction.

    Sure they do: It was written in American, just like J-man spoke.

  18. 18
    ajb47

    I was wondering why they left out Pearl Harbor, but then I realized that Hawaii was not an official state in 1941. I know this because Richie and Ralph were having a “Welcome, Hawaii” party, butt heir heat went out so they made it a “Welcome, Alaska” party instead and that was in the ’50s.

  19. 19
    ajb47

    “butt heir” should read “but their”. Butt Heir may be a good band name, though.

  20. 20
    blf

    Re invasions (of USAlien states): What about Pancho Villa? Or Red Dawn?

  21. 21
    slc1

    Re Ben P @ #14

    After Napoleon’s exile to Elba in 1814, the Duke of Wellington was offered the command of all British Troops in North America. Fortunately for both the British and Americans, he turned it down. As it turned out, this was fortunate for both Britain and the US as Wellington was by far the most competent commander Britain had. It was fortunate for the US because they would have fared rather less well against him then the British commanders who were present and it was fortunate for Britain because, had he accepted, he would not have been available to oppose Napoleon after his return from Elba. One shudders to think of what would have happened at Waterloo if anyone other then Wellington had been in command of the British forces.

  22. 22
    Sastra

    I really admire Ed. He went through the hard process of looking at both these quotes — Riley and Swanson — and deciding which one (and it could only be one) best deserves the title of “Dumbass Quote of the Day.”

    Oh, I have no quarrel with his choice, mind you (though the image of giant crosses, burnt offerings, and people flagellating themselves prostrate before the Aurora movie theater is a tempting bit of stupid.) No, I just recognize the hard work it must be to measure and then select between such choice pieces of dumbassery.

  23. 23
    Raging Bee

    As South Carolina native James Petigru said: this is too small to be a republic and too large to be an insane asylum.

    So the LAST thing we’d want to do is let them secede, wall themselves off from reality (and their people from the basic protections of the US Constitution), become another theocratic failed state, blame the Damn Yankees for their self-imposed misery, and then, in all likelihood, become a base for extreme right-wing terrorism against the US. One Afghanistan is all the world needs, thankyouverymuch.

  24. 24
    Ben P

    Odd that these preacher types think Obama is a Muslim. You’d think they’d have a vague idea of what the basic tenets of Islam are, since it would help in the evangelisaion process

    I actually have the odd (or perhaps not odd, but unusual) experience of knowing an evangelical christian (Church of Christ) who served in Southern Iraq and in Saudi Arabia and came back with a greatly increased respect for Muslims.

    His post-duty opinion is that he found the majority of people in Saudia Arabia and Iraq were honest, devout, and very moral people. he still believes their religion is wrong, but will openly say that he thinks America would be better off if more Americans were as earnest about religion as their Muslim counterparts.

    More interestingly, despite being somewhat fundamentalist himself, he has sort of an anthropologist’s ability to treat the more mythical beliefs of Muslims on their own ground.

    I think he’s wrong, and perhaps dangerously so, but I respect the opinion because I see it as an honest and relatively open eyed evaluation of a foreign people.

    It’s much different than, say, the nonsense that Jack Chick published about Muslims.

  25. 25
    Area Man

    I was in Aurora a few weeks ago helping collect signatures for the personhood amendment out there and help with some of the pro-life work out there and we stayed not far from the theater with a family and I drove by that memorial and it was just a real sobering picture of how ridiculously people would respond to a crisis when they don’t repent, when they don’t turn to God, when they don’t acknowledge their Creator.

    Holy run-on sentence Batman!

    If you actually visit the make-shift memorial they’ve got across the street from the theater, you’ll see plenty of crosses and other religious kitsch. So I don’t know what this idiot is even talking about. What exactly is “ridiculous” about making a memorial to the shooting victims? Is the problem that 100% of the banners, symbols, and signs people put up isn’t GOD, GOD, GOD, GOD? What a complete asshole.

  26. 26
    tomp

    Sometimes I wonder if we would have been better off if the US had lost the War of 1812 and had been reabsorbed back into the British Empire. Then we could be Canadians today!

  27. 27
    whheydt

    Re; #9 (Laurentweppe) wrote:

    •Did not join the other colonies during the war of independance

    An ancestor of mine, Capt. William Hall from Charleston, SC, might take exception to that statement.

    He enlisted as a Lieutenant in the Revolutionary Navy (at the age of 17), commanded an 18 gun brig during the British siege of Charleston, was turned over to the British as a POW as part of the capitulation agreement when Charleston fell and then spent 3 years as a British prisoner, being released as part of an exchange of prisoners.

    What I don’t know is whether the historical records refer to him as “Captain” because he commanded a ship (held the job of Captain) or later rose to the rank of Captain.

    –W. H. Heydt

  28. 28
    NitricAcid

    Tomp- you DID lose the War of 1812. Which is why you didn’t get to add Canada to the list of States.

  29. 29
    justsomeguy

    Simple arithmetic is apparently out of their grasp:

    “These Muslims come in and kill our people so we elect a Muslim as President of the United States… Five years after the Muslims came in and killed our people!”

    The 9/11 attacks were in 2001. Barack Obama was elected in 2008. That’s seven years, not five. So either he can’t count, or something in the bible says 7=5. Both of those options sound equally plausible.

  30. 30
    Julie

    NitricAcid says:

    Tomp- you DID lose the War of 1812. Which is why you didn’t get to add Canada to the list of States.

    A fact we are very grateful to repeat over and over.

  31. 31
    John Pieret

    I say we let them move to South Carolina and secede.

    I would only consider it if they have to take Alabama, Mississippi and any part of Louisiana not named “New Orleans” as well.

  32. 32
    tomp

    Tomp- you DID lose the War of 1812. Which is why you didn’t get to add Canada to the list of States.

    I would have considered it a victory if NY had been made part of Canada.

  33. 33
    laurentweppe

    An ancestor of mine, Capt. William Hall from Charleston, SC, might take exception to that statement.

    I was not talking about what individual Carolinians did, but about the state as a whole, which:

    • Refused to join the embargo against Great Britain
    • Had to be smoothed down to accept the delcaration of independence by removing its condamnation of slave trade
    • Spent half the war under british occupation, despite numerous blunders on the british side.

  34. 34
    jnorris

    A personal plead: will Christian Exodus please make available the real and practical legal consequences of secession. Like what about federal real estate in SC? Will SC buy the post office buildings? Will the US remove all the National Guard and Reserves equipment? What currency will SC use and why would anyone trust it?

    Since Texas’ governor has flirted with secession and Alaska’s former First Dude is a secessionist, I think this is a very interesting topic for discussion.

    And because I live on the NC/SC border, I want a very strong wall built to keep them out of North Carolina.

  35. 35
    blf

    And because I live on the NC/SC border, I want a very strong wall built to keep them out of North Carolina.

    Lions — hungry lions — are known to be very effective against those types. I suggest a dry moat filled with lions.

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