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Bryan Fischer Hearts Todd Akin

Surprise, surprise — the truly vile Bryan Fischer is supporting Todd Akin’s idiotic claim that women don’t get pregnant when they’re raped. If it’s a real rape, of course. He says Akin is “absolutely right” that a woman “may not” conceive because of a “delicate and complex mix of hormones.”

But he was just getting started. On Tuesday’s show, he actually compared Akin himself to a victim of violent assault and rape:

He also compared him to Jesus:

Comments

  1. lofgren says

    I love it when people who are flat out wrong try to make it sound more reasonable by appealing to complexity. “I’m not saying there’s a spermicidal hormone. I’m saying it’s many hormones working together. It’s a total strawman to claim that it’s one magical hormone that somehow detects rape! That would be ridiculous.”

    My uncle recently tried to pull this when I countered his claim that the planets were at this moment entering an alignment that would cause the sun to eject a solar flare that would destroy the earth, and the Mayans somehow predicted this when they designed their calendar to end in 2012. He accused me of having a “simplistic high school understanding” of astronomy. Because apparently he’s been taking PhD classes behind our backs or something.

  2. lofgren says

    Interestingly, the medieval hypothesis was that a woman could not conceive if she reached orgasm for very mechanical reasons, just as a man is very unlikely to impregnate a woman if he does not ejaculate. But I think the modern version is kind of an appeal to the idea that women are more emotional than men. They are so sensitive and delicate that their reproductive system actually shuts down for days if they are unhappy. Every physical reaction of the female reproductive system can be “tricked” out of it without the woman ever consenting, just as a man’s penis can become erect involuntarily. That includes lubrication and even pleasure and orgasm. A feeling that their body has physically betrayed them often instills a deep sense of shame in rape victims But whether or not your body reacts has nothing to do with whether or not you consent. This claim is therefore in itself a form of slut shaming and victim blaming in addition to being scientifically inaccurate.

  3. lofgren says

    Interestingly, the medieval hypothesis was that a woman could not conceive if she reached orgasm for very mechanical reasons

    Obviously that should be “if she did not reach orgasm.”

  4. dingojack says

    Which does this reflect worse on? Akin the Bigot or his new bestest friend the Idiot projector?
    Dingo

  5. garnetstar says

    Akin’s the victim of forcible assualt, so that means he won’t get pregnant. No propagation of his intellectual ability and great way with words.

    What a pity.

  6. eric says

    Lofgren:

    My uncle recently tried to pull this when I countered his claim that the planets were at this moment entering an alignment that would cause the sun to eject a solar flare that would destroy the earth

    Oh good lord. Here is a little web orrery that lets you type in a date and get a bird’s eye view of the planets.

    Let your uncle plug in dates like a madman until he gets tired, he’ll never find the sort of every-planet-on-one-side visual alignment he’s looking for. Let him look through every day over the text 1, 10, 100 years; he won’t find it.

    If you’re curious, no, I don’t know the next date when they all do that. But June 13 2010 gives a nice pseudo-alignment pattern. Obviously, we survived.

  7. lofgren says

    Let your uncle plug in dates like a madman until he gets tired, he’ll never find the sort of every-planet-on-one-side visual alignment he’s looking for.

    Actually, that’s exactly the kind of “simplistic” “strawman” version of “planetary alignment” that my uncle was accusing me of having. The planets moving into a perfect line is obviously ridiculous. The Mayans were talking about some way more complex than that!

  8. says

    Some things leave your mouth agape.
    The bottom of barrels they’ll scrape.
    It’s not a surprise
    that Akin’s allies
    defend his definition of rape.

  9. d cwilson says

    The Mayans were talking about some way more complex than that!

    Because they could solve equations of motion involving multiple gravitational bodies that even Isaac Newton couldn’t solve?

  10. eric says

    The Mayans were talking about some way more complex than that!

    Ah, well its hard to argue against “They align! [For some esoteric definition of align.]”

    Maybe in that case you want to just give him the orrery and tell him to show you the pattern he thinks represents alignment, when he finds it. This will at least get him to stop talking about it, because he’ll know the next time he brings it up, you’re likely to ask “by the way, did you ever find that alignment?”

  11. lofgren says

    Ah, well its hard to argue against “They align! [For some esoteric definition of align.]”

    Exactly the point. That way when you call him on his BS making no sense, he can say “See? It’s all just so much more complicated than you could possibly understand with your high school understanding of physics.” In this way he never has to respond to any criticism. An astronomer does not have sufficient understanding of Mayan culture. An anthropologist does not have sufficient understanding of astronomy. An expert in ancient calendars doesn’t understand solar flares, etc. Apparently the only people who could possibly put all of the pieces together hang out on alternative medicine and conspiracy theory fora deep in the black heart of the internet.

    Ditto the claim that women’s bodies possess some unspecified mechanism for preventing rape pregnancies. Saying it’s a specific hormone or secretion would be too easy to disprove. But by appealing to a mysterious confluence of emotions, hormones, secretions, and Jesus, that means that if you can’t figure out the exact process by which a rape pregnancy is prevented (or even whether it exists at all) then it’s clearly your fault for being dumb, uneducated, ignorant, and probably liberal.

  12. vicarofartonearth says

    It is strange that they tried a sort of science explaination instead of just saying Jesus would not let a rape victim have a child.

  13. says

    All I can imagine as an excuse for this is that they’re remembering something from their 4H days and misapplying it. Rabbits actually do something like this. They can hormonally abort a pregnancy is put under stress. I just hope that they’re somehow remembering this as a general ability of mammals. It sits with me better that these people are complete idiots than that they are so morally bankrupt that they’re spreading something they fully understand is a lie to support their political position on abortion regardless of who gets hurt when people believe them.

  14. dingojack says

    brettsaunders –
    ‘Never attribute to stupidity that which can be accounted for by malice’.
    :/ Dingo

  15. lofgren says

    It sits with me better that these people are complete idiots than that they are so morally bankrupt that they’re spreading something they fully understand is a lie

    I think, for most people, the culprit here is “common sense.” It just sounds kind of right that a woman’s pleasure would enhance the chances of a baby. Then people rationalize it however they feel most comfortable. A creationist thinks, “Why would God give women the ability to feel pleasure and orgasm from sex, if not to somehow improve their ability as a baby factory?” An evolution believer might say, “Why would women evolve orgasms or sexual pleasure if the men could just take what they want with their giant superior muscles? It must improve their ability as baby factories.” I can easily imagine even those who know it’s false believing that it might be very unlikely that a woman could get pregnant from rape.

    Not Fischer, though. He’s just a mendacious asshole.

  16. gratch says

    Just to put things in perspective let’s remember that all these people now talking about a woman’s rape fighting hormones are the same people who censured a female colleague for being offensive when she used the word “vagina”.

  17. blf says

    Yes, but, was Akin legitimately raped?

    I dunno, does he have a magic pregnancy-preventing goo secretion?

    It might be useful if he did, to avoid there ever being any more Akins.

  18. synkron says

    I think I finally understand this weird euphemism. It’s ‘legitimate rape’ if it was so violent that your uterus can’t support a pregnancy.

    Otherwise, it was gentle and coaxing; like a massage, I guess.

  19. kermit. says

    Just to clarify: I’m sure Akin used “legitimate” to mean “real”, and not authorized or anything like that. The RR media seem to be pretending that it’s about a misunderstanding of this nature that is causing all the brouhaha.

    The outrage of course is because he said that real rape is always stranger rape and violent, and that if a woman gets pregnant she was obviously lying if she claims she had been raped. (And if she is pregnant, then even if it was violent, and a stranger, it still wasn’t rape, because she enjoyed it enough to become pregnant, right?)

  20. dingojack says

    caseloweraz = Of course, that includes pregnancies due males getting raped, naturally. (Or doesn’t male rape happen?) @@
    Dingo

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