Romney/Ryan Okay With Abortion for Rape Victims


Interesting how quickly Paul Ryan, that alleged voice of principle in the Republican party, has jettisoned his previous positions now that he’s running for vice president. Though he has repeatedly sponsored legislation that would ban abortion in all cases, he’s now on board with allowing rape victims to have abortions:

“Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin’s statement. A Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape,” the campaign said in a statement confirmed by TPM.

Ryan seems to be joining the Romney flip-flop express.

Comments

  1. Reginald Selkirk says

    A Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape,” the campaign said in a statement confirmed by TPM.

    What does that mean? If a Republican House and Senate sent an abortion ban with no exception for rape to Mittens’ desk, would he veto it? What if Mitt was raptured and Ryan got promoted to president; would he still hold to that position?

  2. hexidecima says

    hah! no it would mean that they would just lie again. the flip-flopping is going so fast that it sounds like a marathon along the boardwalk.

  3. says

    See? Leaders, like these leaders, lead. Unlike that coward Obama, these two Real Americans are willing to stand up tall and strong and straight and tall and take an unpopular stand, standing with victims of legitimate rape, on a controversial subject, even if it could cost them the election.

  4. Trebuchet says

    So are they going to ammend the official party platform, which allows for no such exception?

  5. eric says

    Interesting how quickly Paul Ryan…has jettisoned his previous positions now that he’s running for vice president

    “Jettison” gives the wrong impression, that these positions are gone. In reality, they are merely on a temporary vacation until November 7.

  6. Alverant says

    Eight years ago I remember Kerry getting dragged over the coals about being a flip-flopper and how the conservative pundits implied it made him unworthy to be president. I wonder what those pundits are saying now.

  7. says

    Alverant “Eight years ago I remember Kerry getting dragged over the coals about being a flip-flopper and how the conservative pundits implied it made him unworthy to be president. I wonder what those pundits are saying now.”
    They’re totally consistent. They’re still saying Kerry’s a flip-flopper.

  8. JustaTech says

    Gah. This all makes me so mad! “Legitmate rape.” I’ve run out of vocabulary to describe how horrible all these people are. Anyone got any suggestions for something worthwhile I can do with all this rage-energy?

    Flip-flopping, woman-hating, idiot-pandering, etch-a-sketching, classist, sexist, oxygen-wasters!

    I wish I had a wood-pile.

  9. Michael Heath says

    Aleverant writes:

    Eight years ago I remember Kerry getting dragged over the coals about being a flip-flopper and how the conservative pundits implied it made him unworthy to be president. I wonder what those pundits are saying now.

    Actually Republican partisans are behaving far worse. They used a sample size of one to condemn Sen. Kerry as someone who couldn’t be trusted, his support for the Iraq War. They defined Sen. Kerry with this one example, regardless of the rest of his record which they either avoided or misrepresented.

    With Mr. Romney we have dozens of examples of his switching positions. I also wouldn’t be surprised if we found that Romney’s switched positions on more than 50% of his current platform planks. Where his old position is defendable and his current position is not; the latter meaning he’s primarily depending on false premises to make his current case.

  10. Randomfactor says

    Waiting for a Romney aide to point out that, if the victim lived in Massachusetts, the abortion would be covered under Romneycare.

  11. Reginald Selkirk says

    The 10 Craziest Lines From National Review’s Story On Why Mitt Romney Should Win 100% Of The Female Vote
    Oddly (not), links to the story by Kevin D. Williamson do not seem to work. You’ll have to settle for a few quotes at Business Insider, or the similar story at PuffHo.

    “It is a curious scientific fact (explained in evolutionary biology by the Trivers-Willard hypothesis — Willard, notice) that high-status animals tend to have more male offspring than female offspring, which holds true across many species, from red deer to mink to Homo sap.”

    “From an evolutionary point of view, Mitt Romney should get 100 percent of the female vote. All of it. He should get Michelle Obama’s vote. You can insert your own Mormon polygamy joke here, but the ladies do tend to flock to successful executives and entrepreneurs….We don’t do harems here, of course, but Romney is exactly the kind of guy who in another time and place would have the option of maintaining one. He’s a boss.”

    Great strategy, mentioning harems while trying to sell a Mormon.

  12. Reginald Selkirk says

    The “having sons is better than having daughters” text will also be great for dispelling the ‘War on Women’ myth.

  13. ButchKitties says

    He’s okay with it now because Akin taught him that if the woman gets pregnant, that’s proof that the sex was consensual. Ryan can allow for abortion of rape-related pregnancies because they don’t exist. In the minds of certain Republicans, it’s like he refined his position on eating horse meat from “never okay” to “okay, but only if the horse was a unicorn”.

  14. d cwilson says

    Waiting for a Romney aide to point out that, if the victim lived in Massachusetts, the abortion would be covered under Romneycare.

    Given her freakout over just mentioning Romneycare, this would cause Ann Coulter to have a stroke.

  15. d cwilson says

    Interesting how quickly Paul Ryan, that alleged voice of principle in the Republican party, has jettisoned his previous positions now that he’s running for vice president.

    Ryan spent his entire adult life being a dedicated Randroid, but as soon as that became inconvenient, he threw her under the bus and pretended he liked her philosophy. That’s how much principle means to him.

  16. d cwilson says

    eric @6 has it nailed. It’s the same bait and switch the teabaggers pulled in 2010: Pretend that they’re all focused on jobs, jobs, jobs, and aren’t interested in fighting issues like gays and abortion, then after they get in office, do nothing else but write laws against gays and abortion.

  17. says

    d cwilson “eric @6 has it nailed. It’s the same bait and switch the teabaggers pulled in 2010: Pretend that they’re all focused on jobs, jobs, jobs, and aren’t interested in fighting issues like gays and abortion, then after they get in office, do nothing else but write laws against gays and abortion.”
    And who do you think is comin’ up here and stealin’ all our jerbs? That’s right: gays and abortioners.

    I rest my case.

  18. eric says

    @17:

    eric @6 has it nailed. It’s the same bait and switch the teabaggers pulled in 2010…

    To be fair, Obama seems to have done his share of insincere pandering in 2008 too. Like Ed, I don’t fault him for not successfully keeping the promises that needed Congress’ involvement. But in hindsight its really hard to see ‘more executive transparency’ and ‘restoring rule of law’ as anything but temporary lip service for votes. He doesn’t need Congress’ approval to release executive branch documents or tell the FBI to get warrants before searching files. I would simply not believe him if he said anything like that this time around. I think he sincerely supports health care, reduced military actions overseas, and progressive tax reform. But I’d take any Obama stament supporting greater transparency to be about as truthful as an Akin or Ryan statement supporting abortion in the case of rape.

  19. Ichthyic says

    It is a curious scientific fact (explained in evolutionary biology by the Trivers-Willard hypothesis — Willard, notice) that high-status animals tend to have more male offspring than female offspring

    high status?

    wtf?

    in species where populations show differing biases towards sex ration, it is ALWAYS traceable to localized environmental conditions, and ALWAYS limited by the fact that as the sex ratio gets more biased towards one sex, the other then starts having an increased reproductive advantage, relatively, within the population.

    this is why sex ratios tend to be stable, in environments that are stable.

  20. Ichthyic says

    Actually Republican partisans are behaving far worse.

    since Romney won the nomination, has Beck or Limbaugh, for example, criticized mittens on his back ‘n forth?

    I don’t pay attention to conservative pundits, so I don’t know, but I’m betting… not.

    OTOH, when Kerry was running for potus…

  21. Ichthyic says

    yes, I can’t imagine Trivers ever even saying something remotely that stupid.

    Trivers’ Parental Investment Theory was at the core of what a lot of us were researching in animal behavior when I was a grad student.

  22. Ichthyic says

    what this guy did was basically apply social darwinism to Trivers’ parental investment theory.

    oddly enough, I’d bet that when he is around his grassroots supporters, he trashes evolutionary theory as “bunkum”.

    god I hate these people.

  23. matty1 says

    My favourite line.

    It’s a good thing Mitt Romney doesn’t hang out in college bars.

    Yes, yes it is, in so many ways.

  24. dingojack says

    Justatech (#9) – “I wish I had a wood-pile”.

    If you did you’d never get either Republican candidate near it. They’d be too terrified that the President might be lurking inside.

    ;/ Dingo

  25. slc1 says

    Re Heath @ #10

    Another example of a flip flop on the part of Romney is the issue of global warming. Romney, who at one time accepted the scientific consensus on the subject has now joined the skeptics, although not yet the out and out denialists.

    In today’s Washington Post, we read that Romney, if elected, is proposing to increase coal production and loosen environmental regulations on burning the stuff as part of a push toward “energy independence”. This in light of another article detailing how coal burning power plants are being phased out in favor of natural gas, which is currently in a massive surplus, such that all the containers for storing it are full. The fact that natural gas produces 1/2 the CO(2) per BTU of electricity produced, and is currently cheaper then coal because of the surplus, has skipped his attention. Reader must supply the http//www.

    washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romney-says-plan-will-achieve-north-american-energy-independence-by-2020/2012/08/22/1fc4079a-eca5-11e1-a80b-9f898562d010_story.html

    washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/22/the-evolution-of-the-u-s-power-sector-in-one-chart/

  26. says

    Given that a woman would probably have to prove she was raped — i.e., get someone convicted of rape in a court of law — before she could get an abortion, and given how hard nearly everyone knows that is, I’d say Ryan isn’t really going that far from the current Republican platform.

  27. michaelcrichton says

    Reginald Selkirk says:

    Get a hold of the sheriff candidate Cuttlefish reports on:
    NH Sheriff Candidate Would Use Deadly Force On Law-Abiders

    And I’m pretty sure that New Hampshire is one of those states where citizens are allowed to used force to resist an unlawful police order. The resulting shootout could prove interesting.

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