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Aug 14 2012

Barton Co-Host Fails His Own Challenge

On Saturday, Rick Green, co-host of David Barton’s radio show, posted a challenge on his website. He said, “If you can show me specifics that back up the image created by the critics innuendo, I’ll post it right here for the world to see.” Our own Chris Rodda took him up on that challenge and sent him a link to her first book, which is full of specific instances of Barton distorting the truth. And here is the entirely predictable response:

Chris Rodda seems to have devoted her life to making youtube videos of herself ranting about WallBuilders and now she has teamed up with the military version of the ACLU. Her criticisms are exactly like those I described in my previous blog, but even more illogical and lacking real substance. She has a very small audience, so she follows our radio show and blogs and looks for opportunities to criticize. She has written a “book” about her criticisms of those of us who promote the faith of America’s Founders and based on her comments on my web page, wants to use my website and FaceBook page to promote and sell her book…

I will not hand over my hard earned outlets (website, Facebook, etc.) to critics who have proven themselves to be illogical and slanderous. Those critics are more than welcome to build their own audience. But since I did issue a challenge and ask for people to give me specifics, I am gladly recommending to you Ms. Rodda’s book because it is further evidence of EMPTY criticism that reminds me of clouds without rain. I’ll even provide a link here to her website, but I will not post her generalized accusations that have no actual evidence. If you read her book and in comparison to Barton’s book you are persuaded by her, then congrats to her! That’s the beauty of the arena of ideas!

Even with the lack of rhetoric and logic taught in our schools today, I doubt anyone will genuinely be persuaded by her, but liberals will love her claims regardless of the lack of evidence. The problem with Ms. Rodda’s posts and book is that they come nowhere close to answering my challenge for “specific inaccuracies” or “false claims” in David Barton’s book on Jefferson.

This is a lie, of course. You can read the book for yourself, it is nothing but specific examples of Barton’s distortions, page after page of them, with incredibly detailed and painstaking research to back it up. But this response was absolutely inevitable. It’s exactly like Kent Hovind’s famous challenge to prove evolution — as judged by him and his friends, of course. So they simply declare that you didn’t do so and you don’t win the challenge.

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  1. 1
    Chiroptera

    …and now she has teamed up with the military version of the ACLU….

    Huh. He makes that sound like a bad thing.

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    I will not hand over my hard earned outlets (website, Facebook, etc.) to critics who have proven themselves to be illogical and slanderous.

    Heh. But providing an outlet for proponents, allies, and the blog-owner himself who is illogical and slanderous is a-ok!

  2. 2
    Brett McCoy

    I’ve read Chris’s book (I have it right here in my Kindle app on my Android), and she is very detailed and goes through many claims by many writers nearly line by line and shows how they are either distorting facts or completely inventing “facts” to support their agenda. I don’t see anywhere that she is illogical or slanderous, her approach is very rational and scholarly. I suspect anyone who tries to respond to this “challenge” will likewise be blown off.

  3. 3
    piegasm

    I will not hand over my hard earned outlets (website, Facebook, etc.) to someone who successfully answered my challenge and exposed Barton as a liar.

    Fix’d.

  4. 4
    eric

    I’m midway through Chris’ book. Its a spectacular resource, but I would not (just) have sent a link as a refutation. To get a Fox newsanchor to pay attention, she should’ve included the 30-second, ‘elevator speech’ version of some of her refutations. For example: ‘Barton claims the early Congress bought bibles. They didn’t. There are detailed records of their spending and purchases, and they never bought any bibles. Barton is lying about that.’

    Of course maybe she did that and it got ignored too. But if not, that would be my suggestion.

  5. 5
    Pteryxx

    eric: Rodda did send a detailed specific example, but that comment (and many others) were held in moderation and never posted.

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/rodda/2012/08/12/will-bartons-minion-rick-green-have-time-to-respond-to-this-comment/

  6. 6
    Who Knows?

    To be fair, I doubt he expected anyone who actually knows anything about the subject to be paying attention to him.

  7. 7
    Forbidden Snowflake

    Eric:

    Of course maybe she did that and it got ignored too.

    Maybe she did.

  8. 8
    Forbidden Snowflake

    Damn you, Pteryxx!

  9. 9
    Pteryxx

    *flees leaving a faint trail of feathers and cackling*

  10. 10
    piegasm

    FYI she’s also got a new video series on her Youtube where she pages through the first chapter of Barton’s book, ripping it apart using her own book as a reference.

  11. 11
    Ophelia Benson

    Chris reports that the comment has now been posted!

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/rodda/2012/08/14/rick-green-has-posted-my-comment/

  12. 12
    M can help you with that.

    Chiroptera @ 1 –

    …and now she has teamed up with the military version of the ACLU….

    Huh. He makes that sound like a bad thing.

    Well, considering that the ACLU has come out as saying that it’s a First Amendment violation for an elected official to speak negatively about a corporation’s funding of hate groups and supporters of terrorism…

  13. 13
    Ichthyic

    the ACLU has a military now?

    what’s their defense budget like?

    do they have tanks? they gotta have tanks.

  14. 14
    F [i'm not here, i'm gone]

    Arena of ideas – because the facts just give one version an unfair advantage.

  15. 15
    dan4

    @12: “Well, considering that the ACLU has come out as saying that it’s a First Amendment violation for an elected official to speak negatively about a corporation’s funding of hate groups and supporters of terrorism…”

    What specifically are you referring to?

  16. 16
    jakc

    Using Rick Green’s outlets to sell her book? I’m almost positive that most people reading Rick Green’s crap aren’t going to buy books proving it to be crap, or proving David Barton’s crap to be crap. See, if you’re a conservative christian, the only way to answer the question “god or country” is to claim that the two are the same. I’ll take America over god every day, even if it means going to hell. Christians have to resort to that old political dodge: “My two top priorities are . . .” David Barton’s religion tells him he needs to be a Christian before being a patriot, so he’s just going to believe that the two are the same thing. Unlike many, I don’t know that I can really call Barton a liar – he’s wrong because his core belief system requires him to believe six impossible things before breakfast. Is it any wonder that his positions are laughbly and (easily) demonstrably wrong?

    It is in a way akin to the southerners who want to deny that the ancestors were traitors. Part of the narrative for many of these southerners is that they are better Americans than the yankees so they didn’t commit treason in an effort to preserve slavery. I write this because of a conversation a few years ago with some southern youth, and apparently the crap that they’re taught in southern schools. Same thing for David Barton

  17. 17
    billyeager

    Even with the lack of rhetoric and logic taught in our schools today, I doubt anyone will genuinely be persuaded by her,

    Ohhhhh, I see what you did there!

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