Wilson: We Only Oppress the Ones We Love
One of the most repulsive things heard regularly from the anti-gay bigots is that they’re not really bigots at all, that they’re motivated not by hatred but by their all-consuming love of gay people. They love them so much that they’re willing to oppress them and discriminate against them, as the AFA’s Buster Wilson recently said:
In fact, ChickfilA has an indisputable record of trying to do all that can be done to fortify and support the family, marriages, couples and children, than any other organization that you could name. In fact, over the weekend I’ve observed that there is, more often than not, an attitude of shock and disgust that ANYONE would find fault with ChickFilA, especially the vile, foul mouthed, gay activists who prance around in their bikini underwear in gay pride parades. I’ve spent hours upon hours personally trying to witness to those in the Big Gay movement. I care about their souls and I care about the America they are trying to morph into an idyllic homosexual utopia.
Of course. And this is going to hurt him a lot more than it’s going to hurt you, so just shut up and take it.
Raging Bee:
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 am
Yeah, they hate the sin but love the sinner. And every time they try to beat the sin to death, all their blows miss and hit a sinner instead. It’s not malicious hate, it’s just poorly-aimed love.
John Hinkle:
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:22 am
Buster: Yes, I care about their souls in the sense that they should burn in hell for all eternity for being icky people during the blink of astronomical time they were in a meat suit. God I really hope my god is real ’cause they’re gonna get what they deserve.
grumpyoldfart:
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:23 am
It works though – the mugs in the pews throw money at those bigots every Sunday.
Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant):
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:25 am
Why do you disgusting deviants think we hate you? We love every last filthy, degraded, pitiful one of you. It’s so unfair that you think we have anything but loving thoughts towards you despite your vile, wretched ways. Why, if only you sordid, loathsome gays would stop being so judgmental you would stop noticing when we treat you like the reprehensible, abhorrent, contemptible pariahs you really are.
hexidecima:
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:26 am
The “Big Gay movement”? Hmmm, is that lead by Big Gay Al? If so cool, the character is a much nicer guy than Buster.
I’m sure bigots are indeed shocked and disgusted that anyone would disagree with them. It’s part of the delusion, that no one would find fault in ignorance and stupdity based on created a religion for yourself based on your own very human feelings. Dear Buster, you don’t care about anyone’s souls. All you care about is everying thinking you are special and “right”. It is nice thought that you apparently think that a US that would accept homosexuals without a problem would be “idyllic” and a “utopia”. Quite a bit better than some Chrsitian heaven where all that goes on is endless praisign of a being that approves of genocide.
smhll:
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:26 am
Slut shaming – it’s not just for women any more. Awesome. (Ick.)
I care about their souls and I care about the America they are trying to morph into an idyllic homosexual utopia.
Some dictionary fail here. Those words “idyllic” and “utopia” aren’t nearly as scary as you think they are.
And ROFL and shame on any anti-homosexual crusader who loves gay people so much that they wouldn’t want their children to listen to one in the classroom.
ambulocetacean:
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:33 am
This “idyllic homosexual utopia” sounds pretty good to me. And I’m not even gay.
holytape:
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:35 am
Why do I have the feeling that when he wrote the words “idyllic homosexual utopia” he had to take a fifteen minute break to uh, um….. “personally witness to those in the Big Gay movement.”
thisisaturingtest:
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 am
“Hate the sin but love the sinner” is just a necessary rationalization these folks have invented, for themselves, to hide, from themselves, a basic fact- that while, even according to their own silly doctrines, sin is a choice, homosexuality is not. It’s begging a question they won’t ask themselves.
richardelguru:
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:42 am
Why is he so aware of the underware they (apparently) wear to gay pride parades?
That must be a sin: either Envy or Lust.
Zeno:
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:42 am
“Big Gay”? I’ve always marveled at the screwed-up party line that the anti-gay attempt to follow: (1) the 10% thing is bogus and there are hardly any gays and lesbians anywhere (except maybe SF and NYC); (2) the great queer conspiracy is undermining decent society everywhere and has infiltrated schools, churches, government, and the armed forces.
And then they clutch their pearls in horror and fall to their knees to beg God to save them from “Big Gay.” So pathetic.
richardelguru:
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:42 am
Duh ‘underwear’
Mr Ed:
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 am
I think this is the same rationalization that the tortures used in the inquisition. Sure were burning and mutilating people but that is temporal and we are trying to save their immortal soul. Sure we abuse, bully and attack homosexuals but this is temporal…
Doug Little:
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:48 am
I’ll bet you have. Hours and hours of watching gays prance around in bikini underwear will make even the most staunch christian men witness something, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more… say no more.
RickR:
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:59 am
Funny thing, when you encounter a christian with this attitude and you push back, inferring that all that christian love is actually, gosh darnit, a lot like bigotry, that mask of “compassion” and “love” dissolves really fast.
Bigots REALLY hate being called out.
eric:
August 3rd, 2012 at 11:00 am
I sort of like “Big Gay.” Its ridiculousness makes me smile. It brings up images of Al and boat rides.
And, more seriously, it seems to be a tacit recognition by gay rights opposers that gay rights support is now a majority (or at least a plurality). Its not just the gay movement anymore, its the BIG gay movement. Hidden in that label is this message: “
We failed to stop it becomingBig Gay.”Michael Heath:
August 3rd, 2012 at 11:00 am
Re “Big Gay”:
This is the second recent blog post by Ed where a conservative Christian uses the term. Is this is the beginning of a new meme?
raven:
August 3rd, 2012 at 11:00 am
Xian love = homicidal violence.
We will pass on that one.
The Jews often say paraphrasing, “2,000 years of xian love have left us a frightened people. Any more xian love and we would all be dead instead of just millions.”
vmanis1:
August 3rd, 2012 at 11:04 am
Well, I prefer `Big Gay’ to the last meme the h8rs were trying to flog, `sodomy-based marriage’.
I don’t think Mr Wilson is an authentic Christian, though. He omitted to mention that some of his best friends are gay.
tubi:
August 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
This whole attitude about loving gays and caring for their souls and so on is so fucking superior and condescending. They are basically saying, “I know you think you know yourself best, but you’re wrong. I know better. Just do as I say and everything will be fine.” Like they’re speaking to a five year old.
Fuck them and fuck Dan Cathy.
matty1:
August 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 am
Eugene Delgaudio please call your copyright people it seems your line in homo-erotic homophobia is being copied.
karmacat:
August 3rd, 2012 at 11:22 am
I read recently that a manager in Georgia fired a woman so she could be “a stay at home mother.” Such raging narcissism to think that he knows what she needs better than she does. Fortunately, she is suing them
d cwilson:
August 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 am
Now you’re just making it too easy for us to call you a self-hating closet case.
RickR:
August 3rd, 2012 at 11:43 am
Why, he’s such a spirit-filled, bursting-at-the-seams-with-love christian, I’ll bet he even takes in the Folsom Street Fair in SF on a regular basis, to “witness”.
Wilson likes to “witness”. A lot.
Sastra:
August 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 am
One of the reasons Christians think this line of reasoning makes sense is that it does make sense — in other contexts. We all have had experience with a friend or relative who does something we have to condemn even while we continue to love or admire this person despite that. Thus we learn to think in nuances and degrees, recognizing gray areas and separating the different complicated aspects of human beings in a way that allows us to navigate through real relationships. Your brother may be a thief — but he is still your brother and still has many chacacteristics which you value. Love the sinner; hate the sin.
It’s an improvement over the black-and-white thought processes of a world view which demands purity and perfection and renounces all that is tainted.
So I can understand why many Christians think they deserve kudos for witnessing to the Damned. They’re contrasting that with the alternative of writing them off completely and leaving them to their fate.
But they fail with context. You’re not going to see homosexuality as wrong unless you have bought into a world view which demands purity and perfection — a reality where essential categories define things sharply and you are either Saved or Damned by a God who represents the ideal of Original Goodness. This is not just black and white thinking, this is a refusal to accept values and virtues on a human level. They’re creating new categories of “harm” which make no freaking sense — and they get no credit from us for doing that. In fact, that’s a real BAD thing to do. It more than outweighs their attempt to try to see gay people as human beings despite the vileness of their behavior — a vileness only vile on the spiritual level.
Seeing things on the spiritual level is supposed to be such a noble, desireable, privileged trait in our culture that it’s not all that surprising that the religious are perplexed by the criticism coming from outsiders. Apparently we’re all supposed to go through our usual paces:”Well, I don’t share your faith belief. .. but I really, really admire the way you’re trying so hard to be a person of faith and therefore you’re not a homophobe.”
Nope. No brownie points or special dispensations for grounding bigotry in God.
Michael Heath:
August 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
tubi writes:
Not just gays, but historically blacks and even to this day, women. Denominations who are biblical inerrantists still treat their females as unworthy relative to men, which is their justification for prohibiting women from both influencing men on their religion and being leaders of groups where adult males are present.
Ing: Praise The Lord And Pass the Ammunition:
August 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
I wonder why so few accept you!
Someone has never heard of the Pygmalion effect. People aren’t’ idiots, if you come in with obvious contempt for them they pick up on it.
lofgren:
August 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Tip:
If you are using the word “love” as a threat, you’re doing it wrong.
typecaster:
August 3rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Sorry, pet peeve. Speaker implies, listener infers.
But you’re correct, of course. I really don’t think that, among themselves, they talk about “loving the sinner” – it’s more about opposing The Demonic Forces Of EVIL. In this view, they’re the heroic champions of virtue. When they’re called on it, that’s when they switch to how it’s just loving correction, and you just don’t understand. Point out that it looks like bigotry, not love, and you’ve just admitted that you’re one of The Enemy. It’s all neat and consistent.
Of course, that thought process does run the risk of meeting itself coming around corners.
Winterwind:
August 5th, 2012 at 5:30 am
Big Gay, Small Gay, I’m not fussed. It’s not the size of your Gay, it’s what you do with it that counts.