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Aug 03 2012

Pastor: Life Was So Much Better When We Killed Gay People

Pastor Kevin Swanson of Generations With Vision, who also hosts his own radio show, reacted to the Chick-Fil-A controversy on his show by waxing nostalgic about how Christianity used to be in control and led to gay people being put to death:

Swanson: A Christian perspective ultimately brought the death penalty upon homosexuality between roughly 350 AD and roughly 1850 or so, for about 1,500 years that form of life had pretty much been eliminated except here and there, it was in the closet, but it was almost unheard of for over 1,000 years, until recently. Of course, now you have a massive, massive increase in this kind of thing…

Swanson: I say this is a really bad idea for somebody to stand up against the laws of God. Realize that this is a brave venture, this has been about a 30 year plan, a 40 year plan maybe, to completely consume America with a pro-homosexual agenda, and I just don’t think it’s going to last, I think you are going to see Jesus Christ coming up against this kind of thing, as we have said already about the Joe Paterno case.

Even the nostalgia was better in the old days.

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  1. 1
    Modusoperandi

    Ed, there are simply some people in this world who need us to roll up a newspaper and bop them on the nose, saying “Bad man! Bad, bad man!”

  2. 2
    tubi

    I think you are going to see Jesus Christ coming up against this kind of thing, as we have said already about the Joe Paterno case.

    What the hell is he talking about? Joe Paterno was a good Catholic who turned a blind eye to the suffering of children. How was JC involved?

    Also, for the quadrillionth time, you lying POS, pedophilia does not equal gay.

  3. 3
    slc1

    Shitface Swenson lies through his teeth about the Penn State scandal. Jerry Sandusky was not a gay man or even of switch hitter. He was a heterosexual pedophile who went after young boys because they were available. He would have gone after young girls if he had had access to them.

  4. 4
    d cwilson

    I think he’s saying that Jesus gave Paterno lung cancer because he didn’t report child rape. But then, why didn’t Jesus punish Cardinal Bernard Law? He got a promotion for covering up child rape.

  5. 5
    eric

    Yeah, funny how when you issue a death penalty for some behavior, it becomes “almost unheard of.” Its almost like the people who do it don’t want to die, eh?

    Joe Paterno technically died of complictions from his cancer treatment, but he was 85. Thats an average 1st world male lifespan. Claiming Jesus gave him his comeuppance by killing him with cancer at 85 is really not much of a threat. If the ‘wages of sin’ is death by old-age-related factors at 85, then they don’t seem significantly different from the wages of not sinning.

  6. 6
    Doug Little

    Of course, now you have a massive, massive increase in this kind of thing…

    And by massive he means that 4% of the population came out of hiding when their lives weren’t in jeopardy.

  7. 7
    Draken

    Generations With Vision

    I think the word ‘Tunnel’ has fallen away.

  8. 8
    Artor

    @ Modus #1
    Can I wrap my paper around a baseball bat? Please?
    @d cwilson #4
    Let’s not forget Cardinal Ratzinger. He got made Pope for enabling widespread child rape.

    As for the article, I think there’s a word for that period of time the pastor waxes nostalgic over. What was it? Oh yeah- the Dark Ages. Yeah, it’s shameful we left all that behind, aint it?

  9. 9
    Doug Little

    I say this is a really bad idea for somebody to stand up against the laws of God

    Doesn’t everybody on the planet pretty much break some of god’s laws some of the time, mixed fibers, meat and milk, shellfish, etc.

  10. 10
    tubi

    Is that what he means? That God/Jesus killed 85 year old Peterno for his indifference, while leaving 60 some year old Sandusky-WHO WAS ACTUALLY RAPING CHILDREN-alive, and seemingly fairly healthy?

    Once again, God’s aim sucks.

  11. 11
    TGAP Dad

    …just don’t think it’s going to last, I think you are going to see Jesus Christ coming up against this kind of thing…

    So, we can expect all you bigots to just shut the f*** up, and wait for Jebus? ‘Cause that would be, like, awesome! Your imaginary friend is all-powerful and listens to your prayers, so just keep on praying’ and wait patiently for him. Don’t worry if he seems to be taking his time, just keep waiting. And praying. In fact you should pray more. Lots more. Quit your job and pray all day long. Don’t worry, the lord will provide. Just have faith and keep praying’. He’ll be here any time now…

  12. 12
    tubi

    Doesn’t everybody on the planet pretty much break some of god’s laws some of the time, mixed fibers, meat and milk, shellfish, etc.

    Yes, exactly. Come to think of it, I had bacon along with a bagel and cream cheese for breakfast this morning. C’mon bitch, strike me dead, I dare you!!

    …crickets…tumbleweeds…

    Turns out there’s no danger at all. Unless the plan is to kill me when I’m old and frail and almost dead anyway.

  13. 13
    Synfandel

    …Christianity used to be in control and led to gay people being put to death.

    Let’s go back a couple more centuries and wax nostalgic for the days when Rome was in control and led to Christians being put to death.

    …that form of life had pretty much been eliminated except here and there, it was in the closet, but it was almost unheard of for over 1,000 years.

    I wasn’t aware that homosexuality was a life form. And of course it was almost unheard of; as soon as anyone heard of it you risked being murdered by the state, by the church, or by your caring family and neighbours.

  14. 14
    Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

    How is this kind of sentiment even mentioned in public these days? I thought we’d got past all that.

    Gosh darn it would be nice to kill enough of you that the ones who escape the purges keep quiet and don’t rock the boat.

    If you said that about the Jews, there would be outrage, and justifiably so.

  15. 15
    coragyps

    I bet Swanson misses the days when we killed witches, too. And false prophets. And heretics.

    Especially heretics. They stayed pretty well underground for 1000 years or so, too. Particularly the ones that hosted radio shows.

  16. 16
    eric

    I bet Swanson misses the days when we killed witches, too. And false prophets. And heretics.

    Which is somewhat funny given his ministry appears to be some sort of offshoot of presbyterianism. Methinks that for most of the ‘good old days’ he looks back on, he’d be the guy on the stake, not the one holding the torch.

  17. 17
    Worldtraveller

    I suspect there were a lot of people that longed for the “good ol’ days” after the xians took over too. The world changes, that’s called progress. Get used to it.

  18. 18
    jthompson

    @Zinc Avenger: They get away with it because attempts to criticize them are frequently met with opposition from liberal Christians that claim to be LGBT allies. Even when they don’t oppose the criticism, they’re running around screaming “NOT A TRUE CHRISTIAN!” instead of pushing back against the idea of killing LGBT people or denying them their rights.

    Any attempts to explain to them that they’re not actually helping will cause them to climb up on their cross and demand everyone in the immediate vicinity acknowledge how persecuted Christians are, which only helps the people they were claiming to be allies against in the first place.

    But yeah, we have made progress. Even denying gay people rights is polling in the minority now. I have no idea what percentage of that minority that wants to deny LGBT people rights agrees with this guy, and I’m not sure I want to know. I suspect it would be rather high.

    TL:DR; It happens because liberal Christians give the crazy fundies cover and they get pissed off when anyone mentions it. Talking about it makes you a mean bully and gives them a sad.

  19. 19
    oranje

    I keep reading about an “agenda” and a “plan.” Was there a pamphlet or schedule I was supposed to get? Or have we gone paperless?

  20. 20
    jjgdenisrobert

    During much of that same period, it was illegal to be a Jew in many Christian lands, justified through the very same bible, and the guilty were similarly put to death. I think this man is a little too nostalgic for the Third Reich…

  21. 21
    kermit.

    Ah, the golden age of Christian faith. When heretics like Rev. Swanson were tortured to death; when people’s teeth rotted out one by one over decades; when many families just gave their kids numbers rather than names, because they were so likely to die; when a broken ankle likely meant being crippled or even dying.

  22. 22
    eric

    During much of that same period, it was illegal to be a Jew in many Christian lands, justified through the very same bible

    There’s a good mnemonic that elementary school kids can learn about this:

    In fourteen hundred and ninety-two
    Columbus sailed the ocean blue
    And the Spanish Monarchs ordered all Jews and Muslims to convert on pain of death.

    What, they don’t teach that last verse? Why ever not?

  23. 23
    timgueguen

    Why are we going to see Jesus Christ coming up against this kind of thing?” Why aren’t we seeing him do it now, if he doesn’t like it? Honestly, do these guys think Jesus is a sadist who like to see people suffer by being abused, or that he’s lazy?

  24. 24
    iangould

    I think it’s wonderful that at last there’s a pastor willing to stand up for traditional Christian values.

    I look forward to his defense of the blessed and Godly institution of slavery.

  25. 25
    Gregory in Seattle

    Allow me to wax nostalgic about how Roman pagans used to be in control and led to Christians being put to death….

    Ah, those were the days. Pity that Julian’s reforms failed to save the Empire.

  26. 26
    birgerjohansson

    I find it amusing that many who wax nostalgic for the Roman empire think highly of Marcus Aurelius, the “philosopher on the throne”, who was the first emperor to actually have christians thrown to lions on the arena.
    (Nero and the rest used more mundane methods of murder)

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