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Mikey Gets the Attention of a Messianic Jew

I love seeing some of the crazy emails sent to Mikey Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation. His latest bit of stupid comes from a guy who calls himself Mevashir. He is a Messianic Jew, better known as a Christian. In his first email, he wondered why Mikey was appearing at an atheist event:

Dear Atheists,

I see that Mikey Weinstein is on your roster of guest speakers who will be coming to Denver.

I thought Weinstein is an observant Jew?

Is he really an atheist?

I certainly hope not.

Shalom baShem Yeshua – Peace in the Name of Jesus!
Mevashir

Mikey wrote back and informed the guy that he is a “Jagnostic” — a Jewish agnostic. And that prompted a delightfully idiotic response:

Mikey,

Thanks for writing back.

Sorry to get your goat, but that’s what Jews are good at, aren’t we?!

It’s called chutzpah, and you cannot be surprised to see that you have not cornered the market on it!

Anyway, I am glad to finally meet you.

I am a Jewish evangelist. I just moved to the Denver area. I have met an Air Force doctor named Bob something who converted to Judaism. He had been a Baptist minister beforehand. Perhaps you know him? (He lives in Denver and works in the Springs.)

My friends and I look forward to meeting you at the convention. Providentially it occurs on my birthday, and Hashem could not have given me a better birthday present than to engage with lost sheep from the House of Israel.

If you think we are wimps, think again. We love fighting against the evil demonic spirits that have confused good people like you, Richard Dawkins, and Jessica Ahlquist from Rhode Island.

We pray for ya’all to recover your sanity and to recognize your Creator God. If we don’t glorify Him in our thoughts words and actions, what is the point of our existence anyway?

Here are some links to soften up your soul before we meet in September, God willing. May you have a refuah sheleimah, a perfect healing from our Mighty Creator God! Amen.

1. Online Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach radio station.

2. Our inspiration for spiritual warfare against the demonic spirits that have confused and assailed you and your cohorts: The Duel between David and Goliath.

3. A great movie from a genuine Jewish hero, Ben Stein (former speech writer for Pres. Nixon, so you should be able to respect him): Expelled.

Sincerely Looking Forward to Meeting You,
Mevashir

He thinks Ben Stein is a “genuine Jewish hero.” Nuff said. Mikey told him to stop emailing him, using some colorful language in the process (as he, like me, is wont to do). And the guy seems to think this has some legal ramifications:

Do you know what the legal ramifications of your verbal attack on me might be? Did I write ugly curse words to you? Why do you think you can respond to me with such vile immature and disrespectful language?

You are an attorney.

Please advise.

(I will stop writing to you as soon as you explain the legal justification you have to employ abusive language against me. It does not bother me, since I know it is the demon spirit inside of you. But I am concerned for your soul.)

Dear fucking moron: Why would one need a legal justification for what they say to you? Being called a fucking moron does not violate your rights. Mikey can call you whatever names he wants to call you. And only an idiot would think that curse words need some legal justification.

Sincerely,

Me

Comments

  1. slc1 says

    He is a Messianic Jew, better known as a Christian.

    Actually, many of the members of this cult would take great offense at being labeled “Christians”. Their position is that all the existing “Christian” churches are apostates and heretics and that the movement begun by Yeshua of Nazareth was hijacked by Saul (they don’t recognize his Latin name Paul), who they consider the devil. Although many members of this cult are halachically Jewish, many are former members of Christian churches who are not (apparently this fellow Bob who his emailer cites may be an example of such an individual).

  2. frankb says

    Ah, but Mikey and PZ do have legal justification for using cuss words, It is called the First Amendment.

    I find it interesting that this moron seems to tie Judaism and Christianity very closely together. I am not very familiar with Messianic Jews.

  3. says

    Dear fucking moron: Why would one need a legal justification for what they say to you? Being called a fucking moron does not violate your rights.

    And let’s not forget, truth is, in any case, a perfect defense.

  4. Sastra says

    “Legal justification?” Weinstein could always mail this guy a copy of the U.S. Constitution.

    Is ‘Mevashir’ planning on coming to the Atheist Alliance convention in Denver? Sounds like it.

    That’s okay. When theists show up at atheist events there’s usually plenty of atheists happy as hell to argue with them; it’s so refreshing to do so on atheist territory for a change, where any bystanders or people listening in can pretty much be assumed to be on the side of the atheist. I once had someone tell me that this unexpected aspect turned out to be the best part of the convention for him — he was used to being ganged up on by religious relatives who viewed him and his reasonable arguments as just nuts. It was a heady experience to be considered the “normal” one in the debate. He’d never had that.

    I’ll be watching for Mevashir and his friend, and will say hello.

  5. Erp says

    @1, Messianic Jews are almost all trinitarian Christians and have no problem with Paul or anything else in the New Testament. See http://www.religioustolerance.org/mess_jud.htm
    Messianic groups include the Southern Baptist Messianic Fellowship affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. Jews for Jesus, a messianic Jewish group, is endorsed by several conservative Christian, see http://www.jewsforjesus.org/about/for-jews-for-jesus/christian.

    You might be thinking of modern day Ebionites and similar groups but their numbers seem to be in the handfuls and a web site or two (on the other hand, Messianic Jews probably number in the tens of thousands [they claim about 250,000 in the US but I suspect this is inflated]).

  6. jayarrrr says

    “If we don’t glorify Him in our thoughts words and actions, what is the point of our existence anyway?”

    Waitaminnit… The whole point of our existence is to spend all day blowing smoke up the ass of the Invisible Sky Faerie to support his Graf Zeppelin-sized ego?

    EWWW! Maybe Sky Daddy should go blow his own smoke up his own ass?

    The point of our existence is to live, make kids, hopefully raise them to be discerning adults, immune to the influence of cults and charlatans like this Yiddish-tossing schlub “Mevashir”, and spoil our grandkids rotten.

    And hopefully have some fun and lots of orgasms along the way.

  7. says

    We pray for ya’all to recover your sanity and to recognize your Creator God. If we don’t glorify Him in our thoughts words and actions, what is the point of our existence anyway?

    I really feel sorry for people who believe this.

  8. says

    If we don’t glorify Him in our thoughts words and actions, what is the point of our existence anyway?

    When a believer says stuff like this, it makes me wonder if they might be depressed or something, and if it might be treatable. If you don’t see the point in living as a self-determined individual with your own goals, I’d strongly recommend getting psychological/psychiatric help.

    Of course, most probably just say it as a thought-stopping cliche because their parents and authority figures said it to shut them up. Finding joy in regular life is anathema to fundamentalism.

  9. says

    Interesting decision to include the text of only one side of the email, while casually dismissing the vitriol of Weinstein’s.

    Then again, it probably is a tad embarrassing when the self-appointed president of a “charity” can’t figure out how to capitalize and relies heavily on ellipses. Add his standard alliterative appellations and penchant for “colorful” invective — in response to calm, polite communications — and it’s not a pretty sight. Kind of like a two year old. With a bigger paycheck.

  10. raven says

    If we don’t glorify Him in our thoughts words and actions, what is the point of our existence anyway?

    This is silly and dumb.

    1. Opening up cans of cat food for the cats.

    2. Working in the garden.

    3. Paying the bills.

    4. Enjoying our three score and 17.

    5. Fighting against mind destroying and evil religions and blind superstition.

    6. Leaving the earth a better place than we found it and better than if we had never existed. Making sure that we don’t hand a broken society and planet to our kids.*

    *Good luck with that one. We aren’t doing so well with that plan right now.

  11. hotshoe says

    Interesting decision to include the text of only one side of the email, while casually dismissing the vitriol of Weinstein’s.

    Then again, it probably is a tad embarrassing when the self-appointed president of a “charity” can’t figure out how to capitalize and relies heavily on ellipses. Add his standard alliterative appellations and penchant for “colorful” invective — in response to calm, polite communications — and it’s not a pretty sight. Kind of like a two year old. With a bigger paycheck.

    Oh, look who it is – JD, the ChristianFighterPilot.

    I wondered who stomped in here with a stick up his ass. Now I know.

  12. Michael Heath says

    hotshoe writes:

    Oh, look who it is – JD, the ChristianFighterPilot.

    I think the distinguishing characteristics he’s earned are traitor, liar, and bigot.

  13. Quantum Mechanic says

    Michael Heath:

    I think the distinguishing characteristics he’s earned are traitor, liar, and bigot.

    Not to mention “petty bully”. I’m always surprised when he pops up where he can’t hide behind the UCMJ, or delete comments which don’t stroke his ego with both hands.

  14. says

    @ slc1 says:

    Actually, many of the members of this cult would take great offense at being labeled “Christians”.

    I didn’t know that, but never really investigated. We’re in probably one of the most religiously, racially, ethnically diverse neighborhoods in America and there are a lot of Orthodox Jews here. A group of people, mostly younger, who dress in orthodox attire (girls always in skirts to the floor), are fond of T shirts that say: Jesus made me kosher. Always seemed a little in-your-face to me, considering the neighborhood, but maybe not because there are people in full Muslim get ups (women with only eyes peeking out), traditional Indian garb and everything else. You wouldn’t believe what our gym is like. Gangstas, Arab Muslims, orthodox Jews, Hindus, Mexicans, Jews for Jeezus and white madiganos like us.

    Anyway, while Jews for Yeshua may reject the Christian label, I remember the many arguments here with Dr. Heddle about who is and who is not a Christian. Answer: nobody really knows because it’s a subjective construct. My view is that Christianity is a dead letter without Paul, but lots of people think it’s just a dead letter, period.

  15. Michael Heath says

    Dr. X writes:

    I remember the many arguments here with Dr. Heddle about who is and who is not a Christian.

    I don’t. heddle’s point on who should be identified as a Christian from a theological perspective is pretty uncontroversial and not all that narrow for a biblical inerrantist. I don’t remember him making a case at all about who is and who is not from a societal perspective, which I argue we must distinguish in the public square when it comes to our attempts at self-governance and merely getting along.

    Instead the two types of arguments I’ve observed and participated in with heddle on this topic is:
    1) His argument that Jews and Muslims do not worship the god Christians generally refer to as God the father, even most U.S. trinitarian Christians concede Jews and Muslims worship the god of Adam, Noah, and Abraham, which is the god Christians now claim to worship. “Most U.S. trinitarians” at least prior to 9/11 when subsequent political motivations had increasing numbers of them falsely claiming Muslims worshipped another false god while avoiding discussions of who Jews now worshipped. I think given their strengthening alliance with the most strident Zionists.
    2) Heddle’s argument that certain people demonstrating attributes of conservative Christians, attributes we find in spite of convincingly validated in research, are instead outliers within conservative Christianity in spite of:
    a) the aforementioned research,
    b) how politicians’ successfully target this market, and
    c) these Christians’ monolithic voting patterns.
    I.e., a classic illustration of a ‘no true Scotsman’ argument.

    Dr. X writes:

    Answer: nobody really knows [who is an who isn't a Christian] because it’s a subjective construct.

    Right, nearly all Christians would concede that, arguing each will find out whether an individual is a Christian or not at Judgment Day, or some similar argument. But from a practical standpoint we find ourselves forced to distinguish to some degree given we live in a non-theocracy with scads of Christians who define themselves with this identifier. From this perspective context is everything. For example, you write:

    My view is that Christianity is a dead letter without Paul, but lots of people think it’s just a dead letter, period.

    Given that Christians have lived with a wide continuum of denominations for centuries, your point isn’t going to get people’s dander up in the public square when we’re discussing public policy. We hardly even seeing any blowback to Romney’s Mormonism from a theological perspective. However if you were arguing a societal issue where you identified one Christian group while claiming another group which identifies as Christian isn’t, than you’ve stirred up a hornet’s nest for no discernably good reason.

  16. se habla espol says

    If we don’t glorify Him in our thoughts words and actions, what is the point of our its existence anyway?

    FTFY. That’s why no gods exist in my life. I never found one, much less one that was worthy of being “glorified”. All the candidates that were proposed were (at best) evil jerks.

  17. storms says

    I was part of a Messianic Jewish congregation back in the early 80s. They were not a cult (in that they encouraged you to keep contact with family, didn’t take all your wealth, etc) Mostly the were pretty mainstream evangelical xians with a ‘face lift’ to make themselves more appealing to the Jewish community. Their worship includes traditional Israeli dance. The hold services on Friday night (Shabbat) etc. Mostly they replace greek root words like Jesus or Christ with hebrewish equivalents Yeshua (Joshua), Messiah.

    In my quest of truth, which ended with skepticism and atheism, I found their views refreshing as they tried to unify old and new Testaments and put Christianity in its Jewish roots. They are Biblical literalists. It was probably the most consistent theology I’d found, which isn’t saying much.

    However, it still suffers from the same basic flaws: The trap of cyclical of guilt / forgiveness only here. And all the rest of the weak and contradictory arguments about how G-d can be good and still be the one written about.

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