Ray Comfort Explains Aurora Shootings


We’ve heard from every other ignorant halfwit and religious right looney tunes on what caused the Aurora shootings — all ignoring the obvious, that they were caused by one clearly mentally ill shooter — so why not here from the king of moronia, Ray Comfort? Naturally, the Worldnutdaily is giving him a platform:

“This latest alleged mass murderer isn’t so easy to peg,” says Comfort, author of the new book “Hitler, God and the Bible.” “He came from a good home, in a good area, and he had a good education. But those who ask ‘What went wrong?’ are asking the wrong question. It should rather be ‘What is wrong?’ The biblical worldview isn’t that anything went wrong. Here was a normal sinful human being involved in an evil act of murder. The Scriptures tell ‘The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked’ (Jer. 17:9), and that no one is morally good in God’s eyes.”

Comfort continues: “However, the humanistic worldview is radically different. It says that no one is born with a sinful (evil) nature. All human beings are inherently good, and when someone goes off the rails, there must be some mitigating factor – he was bullied, was a loner, had an abusive father, or a dominant mother, etc. While some of these are serious issues, millions of people get through them without going out and killing other people.”

You’ll have to excuse ol’ Ray. He just isn’t bright enough to see that his argument against the straw man in the second paragraph applies equally well to the absurd premise in his first paragraph.

In other words, in a world without God, mass murder would be normal.

Really? Because I’ve read the Bible and that God is alleged to have commanded a hell of a lot of mass murder. He seems to get off on it, in fact, gleefully ordering the slaughter of everyone and getting angry if the Israelites did not follow his instructions to the letter and kill off absolutely everyone in whatever city they’re destroying at the moment.

Comments

  1. busterggi says

    Guns are Jesus’ gift to believers, designed to fit right in the hand just like a banana.

  2. matty1 says

    You know what else fits right in the hand? Oh wait, that was the other thread on Mitt Romney’s magic internet filter.

  3. slc1 says

    Because I’ve read the Bible and that God is alleged to have commanded a hell of a lot of mass murder. He seems to get off on it, in fact, gleefully ordering the slaughter of everyone and getting angry if the Israelites did not follow his instructions to the letter and kill off absolutely everyone in whatever city they’re destroying at the moment.

    C.F. the visit of Saul to the witch of Endor where she raises the prophet Samuel at his order. Samuel tells Saul that he’s going to take gas in the battle the following day because he had the temerity to disobey god’s order to kill all the Amalekites in a previous engagement. Not only is Saul going to get the chop but so will his sons and the Israelites will lose the battle. Quite a guy that Yahweh.

  4. Reginald Selkirk says

    In other words, in a world without God, mass murder would be normal.

    Murder is quite common. The most recent numbers say ~ 4.7 people are murdered per 100,000 in population in the USA every year. Banana man has disproven the existence of God!

  5. says

    Talking of religious wingnuts, our discussion board has just banned someone who seems to be posting from Montreal whose first post seemed very reminiscent of someone who has been banned there on a number of occasions before, one David Mabus/Dennis Markuze.

    It just might not be him, of course, but it looks very much like him to us.

    Just a general warning to watch out.

    David B

  6. Michael Heath says

    Given how hard I laughed at the blog post title prior to even reading Ed’s post, I had a hardtime enjoying Mr. Comfort’s Nth fail at remedial argumentation. It’s kinda like, “you had me at hi”.

  7. d cwilson says

    So let me see if I can puzzle together Banana Man’s world view. God, who is infinitely good and just, created humans who are inherently wicked and evil. In fact, people are so evil that we’re supposed to consider it human nature that every so often, someone commits mass murder. We’re not to look for anything in their background to explain their behavior. We’re just supposed to blame it on the lack of God in our lives. You know, the same god who made us so intrinsically evil that we can’t stop ourselves from killing each other.

  8. says

    So let me see if I can puzzle together Banana Man’s world view. God, who is infinitely good and just, created humans who are inherently wicked and evil.

    Oh, you heathens always have trouble with sophisticated theology! God did not create humans who are inherently wicked and evil. God created a tree that bore fruit, the eating of which made humans inherently wicked and evil henceforth. Then he put the tree in the middle of the humans’ habitat.

    It’s not the same thing at all!

  9. Tony the Parkour Kat [safe and welcome at FtB] says

    Perhaps some nice charitable atheist organization should invest in a Bible to be sent to Mr. Comfort so that he can read it in full one day. Maybe even highlight some relevant passages (y’know, those that sanction wholesale slaughter or genocide).

  10. says

    So what you’re saying, Ray, is that you are actively stifling your natural impulse to kill every person you encounter because the bible says murder is bad(sometimes)? Everyone who meets you just has to cross their fingers that your self control holds out long enough for them to get a safe distance from you? You’re sooooo totally a better person than all those nasty humanists who simply have no desire cause suffering in others.

  11. thalwen says

    Wait, atheists promote mass murder? In Comfort’s Christianity, hating someone is the same as committing murder in terms of going to hell.. hell, having used a naughty word or telling a lie will send you to hell just as surely as murder will. And the penalty for everything – lying, thinking someone is hot, slaughtering 100 people, is the same. So if lying=swearing=murder=mass murder isn’t it more logical to say that Christianity encourages mass murder as you’re either going to hell anyway on a technicality so you might as well, or you’re planing to repent after you’ve finished killing.

  12. patricksimons says

    If the bible is the word of god, then god’s a lousy communicator. Even if it isn’t the word of god, he/she/it is still a lousy communicator. If you can will the friggin’ universe into existence, then you should bloody well be able to make your intentions clear.

  13. coleopteron says

    Ray Comfort’s explanation of events in Aurora is distinctly lacking in pointless rambling about fruit. How can I take it seriously?

    Coleslaw-

    God did not create humans who are inherently wicked and evil. God created a tree that bore fruit, the eating of which made humans inherently wicked and evil henceforth.

    I thought it was that he created them inherently wicked and evil but he didn’t want them to be aware of their stellar jerkiness for some reason. The fruit wasn’t supposed to make people evil, it gave them knowledge of good and evil. Which means that they had no concept that disobedience could be wrong.

    (See, the Bible uses pointless fruit rambling too. That’s how you know it’s super-duper serious.)

  14. says

    Thanks keithb

    When I went there I found one of our mods had got their first.

    Seems to be him though – using the same name he was using in other places.

    David

  15. Stevarious says

    Oh, you heathens always have trouble with sophisticated theology! God did not create humans who are inherently wicked and evil. God created a tree that bore fruit, the eating of which made humans inherently wicked and evil henceforth. Then he put the tree in the middle of the humans’ habitat.

    Don’t forget – he also knew the whole time exactly what would happen. In fact, he deliberately created humans such that they would be curious enough to go for the thing but ignorant of right and wrong, so they wouldn’t know it was wrong to eat the fruit.

  16. oranje says

    I, for one, blame the banana.

    Now all we need is Kirk Cameron’s take on it and we’ll have a complete set.

  17. zmidponk says

    coleopteron #15:

    I thought it was that he created them inherently wicked and evil but he didn’t want them to be aware of their stellar jerkiness for some reason. The fruit wasn’t supposed to make people evil, it gave them knowledge of good and evil. Which means that they had no concept that disobedience could be wrong.

    No, that’s only one interpretation of the absolutely clear, infallible Word of God. Another is that God make humans complete dumbasses, which meant they accepted whatever God said, without question. It was only when they ate the fruit that magically imparted them with some of that icky ‘knowledge’ stuff that they became smart enough to be evil. Therefore dumb=good, smart=bad. Going by that, Ray Comfort is a very, very good person.

  18. Randomfactor says

    God created a tree that bore fruit, the eating of which made humans inherently wicked and evil henceforth.

    Bullshit. His god created a tree which gave people the ABILITY to tell good from evil. The knowledge. Prior to eating the fruit, Adam and Eve must be blameless. Is it evil to disobey god? Who would know?

    Which brings up the question–what the hell did god need that tree for? Was it to cure his own inability? And after the apple store closed down, it became impossible for HIM to tell good from evil? That would explain the flood. And the Ten Plagues. And the conquest of Canaan. Abraham’s ordered sacrifice. Hell, the entire Old Testament.

    Leaving him still on the hook for the NEW Testament, of course.

  19. dingojack says

    Ray Comfort Explains Aurora Shootings:

    Ray: GODDIDIT!!! Oh no – I’m mean – wait, can I start again?

    :) Dingo

  20. kermit. says

    According to Mr. Comfort, abusive childhoods, etc., cannot be the cause for mass murders because “While some of these are serious issues, millions of people get through them without going out and killing other people.”

    And yet millions of people are secular – atheist or otherwise unchurched, and also fail to commit mass murder.

    But no, I do not expect him to ever compare two of his own statements and see if they are consistent.

    brocasbrian: What an incredibly sick religion

    Yes. As a child, I was told that if I accomplished anything, I should thank God for the talents he gave me or the focus for doing my homework or whatever, but if I screwed up it was my fault. When I was thirteen I dropped these ideas and laid low until I could escape but those who can’t become seriously crippled.

    At least one of the survivors of the Aurora shooting, who was shot but survived, thinks it was a miracle that she lived. Because that’s the way God rolls, I guess.

  21. Sastra says

    I think the whole story of the Garden of Eden and the Fall of Man becomes easier to understand if you filter it through the model of an infant growing up in an authoritarian culture and going through bathroom training. When they are very young they don’t know they can’t poop wherever and whenever they want. Innocence. But at some point they are considered accountable for being dirty, making dirty, existing as a creature which is filled with disgusting, unclean stuff. They are TOLD where to go, held over the pot at set times, perhaps — but at some point there is an “accident” and that is THEIR fault. Their will. Their defiance defiling the adult world.

    The shame of a soiled toddler who knows they’ve been naughty and knows they are moreover icky bad through and through is more or less supposed to be the attitude of the enlightened Christian. They are not fit for adult affection anymore. They earned punishment. Can anything wash them clean again?

    They mistake the fact that this scenario feels kinda familiar for a cosmically significant understanding of humanity.

  22. Stevarious says

    They mistake the fact that this scenario feels kinda familiar for a cosmically significant understanding of humanity.

    That’s… the best 3 paragraph explanation of Christianity I’ve ever seen.

  23. says

    I am trying to understand: god knowingly made creatures that would do certain things, and when they did those things, he called then evil?
    What am I missing here?

  24. Armored Scrum Object says

    In Ray Comfort’s mind, it seems that being bullied or having an abusive father is traumatically equivalent to being a loner or having a “dominant mother” (dare I even ask?). Is there any subject on which he’s not hopelessly confused?

  25. frankb says

    I’m glad that someone else noticed that “dominant mother” remark. Yeah, it’s those uppity women again.

  26. kermit. says

    Armored Scrum Object & frankb – I’d also like to speak up for loners. Some of us (not all are Asperger’s) are loners by nature, and we are happier by ourselves much of the time. Not all of the time, perhaps, but we are punished by society for not being gregarious enough.

    In little ways by sane but clueless folks (“Cheer up!” When I had been perfectly happy. Grrr.).

    In moderate ways, by busybodies and judgementals (“You know that Global Warming is real, right? Then you should join our action group, and go door to door with the message!”).

    In bigger ways by authoritarians (Group hug! Group therapy! Group prayer!).

    “You’re not married yet? What’s wrong with you?”

    We recharge our batteries on Friday evenings by reading a book or gardening or jogging, but not bar hopping.

    So of course the religious authoritarians interpret these differences as an affront to God. (Really to them, but that’s the same thing, right?)

  27. uncephalized says

    @kermit.

    I’m not on the spectrum (as far as I know!) but I am definitely an introvert and I know exactly what you mean about people not understanding that I NEED to have private time or I become increasingly stressed and neurotic. It’s nearly as basic a need as regularly eating and sleeping.

    The extroverted marketing and sales people I work with (I’m an engineer at a very small company) do not, of course, understand this and so whenever I need to go to a trade show or anything with them there is no provision for any time apart from the group, until we all go to sleep (usually much later than I would go to bed on my own despite the early mornings). Usually by the end of a 3 day trip my instincts are telling me to back into a small dark hole and bite anyone who tries to bother me. Except my wife, she’s cool and always allowed in my den. But she’s the ony exception. :-)

  28. billydee says

    From all that I have read about Hitler’s youth, it was not all that happy. His father was a strict, stern, unloving authoritarian. His mother doted on him.
    I don’t know if Kirk will weigh in on this issue. He’s too busy sitting on Ray’s banana. Or something.

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