Michigan Rep: Obama a Secret Muslim Terrorist

Rep. Dave Agema, who was recently elected by the Michigan GOP to represent them on the Republican National Committee, is a special kind of stupid, the kind who would need a promotion to get to be a mere idiot. Here’s a perfect example:

“Which is it? He can’t be both,” he said. “It’s disingenuous to say one time you’re a Christian and then say another time you’re a Muslim.”

Mr. Agema said his other problem is with Mr. Obama saying Islam is a religion of peace.

“Not all Muslims are terrorists, but just about every terrorist is a Muslim,” he said. “I disagree that Islam is a religion of peace.”

Jeff Wattrick of Deadline Detroit responds:

Either Agema is a delusional nutter or a lying sack of shit (investigators have not ruled out the possibility he could be some combination of the two) because Obama has never said he is a Muslim.

As for Agema’s claim that nearly every terrorist is a Muslim, that would probably come as a shock to anyone familar with the lynchings of Emmett Till and Viola Liuzzo, the Symbionese Liberation Army, the Posse Comitatus movement, the murder of Denver radio host Alan Berg, Jewish Defense League leaders Irv Rubin and Earl Krugel plot to kill Republican Congressman Darrell Issa,Columbine, and oh yeah, Tim McVeigh bombing the Oklahoma City federal building.

But those don’t count, obviously. Only Muslims commit terrorism, so if a mass killing is done by a non-Muslim, it can’t be a terrorist act. QED.

24 comments on this post.
  1. keithb:

    Shoot, that is only the USA. Don’t forget the IRA, the Shining Path and the Tamil Tigers.

  2. Larry:

    For a group of self-professed xtians, these guys sure do lie a whole bunch.

  3. lynxreign:

    And don’t forget James E. Holmes. The media has been falling all over itself to find reasons he’s just “not normal” instead of a terrorist. The focus on his hair color being the most ridiculous.

  4. oranje:

    Ed, what is it about our state that does this? I’m above the bridge, but it seems to be more of the same. Maybe a bit more drunk, but the same.

  5. podkayne:

    I’ve encountered this “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but just about every terrorist is a Muslim” bullshit a depressing number of times. It must be in some Neocon talking points memo they all get. If we’re talking about terrorists active right now, well, then maybe “most terrorists are Muslims” begins to fly. Maybe. Its certainly true that most terrorist attacks occuring in the world as a whole at present are indeed perpetrated by Muslims. However, and this is the bit that the wing nuts refuse to accept, their victims are almost entirely other Muslims.

    However, if you aren’t actually living in a majority Muslim country, with the exception of Israel, then in terms of terror attacks, you’re more likely to be killed by a non Muslim terrorist.

    However, all of this pales in comparison to, for example, the number of deaths on the the roads of developed nations. A friend of mine used to use the following as a sig line on all his posts
    “2,752 people killed in the 9/11 attacks, 42,196 people were killed in motor vehicle accidents in the same year. Wouldn’t a war on bad driving have made more sense?”

  6. Alverant:

    Some of it comes down to how we’re defining “terrorist”. Conservative christians in this country act like being christian prevents them from being a terrorist, at best/worst it’s a hate crime. That’s one reason why I think they’re trying to eliminate hate crime penalities. In other words, terrorism is OK when they’re the ones doing the terrorizing. They probably don’t want to admit their religion/political views can spawn terrorists.

    But if you define terrorism as trying to intimidate through threats and/or violence for a religious/political agenda then you’ll find a lot more christian terrorists. Take the KKK, they killed over 3000 innocent people (more than on 9/11) as part of a political agenda to keep minorities down. How is that not terrorism? Plus they require all members to be christian. But try getting them to be classified as a terrorist organization and you’ll run into a brick wall.

  7. Raging Bee:

    lynxreign, Holmes is not a terrorist, he’s just a mentally-disturbed and impaired person who ended up killing a shitload of people. Please don’t try to equate lunatics with terrorists, or both words will simply have no meaning.

  8. theschwa:

    “Either Agema is a delusional nutter or a lying sack of shit”
    “Which is it? He can’t be both,”

  9. Ed Brayton:

    Yes, I would not call the Aurora shootings a terrorist because it does not appear that he acted to achieve a political goal. That’s what separates terrorism from other kinds of destruction.

  10. bmiller:

    Over on another site, a fervent Christian was arguing, repeatedly and despite multiple exampels from history, that by definition one cannot be a “Christian” and a terrorist. He literally could not wrap his mind around the concept that Christians have killed…repeatedly…for their religious beliefs. A particularly noxious brand of the No True Scottsman fallacy.

    My understanding is that Timothy McVeigh was in no way an orthodox Christian, though.

  11. oranje:

    @bmiller: I think that’s where it gets difficult to define orthodoxy, though, as belief can eventually be whittled down for most to a church of one.

    Reminds me of the old Emo Phillips bit:

    I say, “Me too! Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist Great Lakes Region or Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist Eastern Region?”

    He says, “Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist Great Lakes Region.”

    I say, “Me too! Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879 or Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?”

    He says, “Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912.”

    I said, “Die, heretic!” And I pushed him over!

  12. d cwilson:

    Mr. Agema said his other problem is with Mr. Obama saying Islam is a religion of peace.

    Did he also have a problem when George W. Bush said the same thing?

  13. Midnight Rambler:

    Where did this “Islam is a religion of peace” bullshit get started anyway? People can’t even say Christianity is peaceful with a straight face and they at least claim to be.

  14. thebookofdave:

    Let’s not forget Eric Rudolph’s Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta, shall we? Or was he a crypto-muslim like McVeigh?

  15. timgueguen:

    The most lethal terrorist attack against Canadian citizens was conducted by Sikh terrorists. But hey, I would imagine Agema would think Sikhs are Muslims because they wear turbans. There hasn’t been a successful terrorist operation by Muslim terrorist in Canada, while between 1966 and 1980 there were 10 successful and attempted terrorist attacks by anti-Castro Cubans. And of course we had our own FLQ and other Quebec separatist fringe groups commit terrorism, and wannabe revolutionaries like the Squamish Five in the early ’80s, who only by dumb luck managed not to kill anybody, despite never wanting to kill anyone.

  16. fastlane:

    <blockquote}…a special kind of stupid, the kind who would need a promotion to get to be a mere idiot.
    It’s lines like that that keep me coming back every day!

  17. fastlane:

    damn blockquote fail! Teach me not to preview. Oh well.

    No soup for me!!

  18. laurentweppe:

    If we’re talking about terrorists active right now, well, then maybe “most terrorists are Muslims” begins to fly. Maybe.

    Nope: it’s still bullshit.

    ***

    However, if you aren’t actually living in a majority Muslim country, with the exception of Israel, then in terms of terror attacks, you’re more likely to be killed by a non Muslim terrorist.

    depends whether you count settlers’ jingoism as terrorism or not.

  19. Michael Heath:

    bmiller writes:

    Over on another site, a fervent Christian was arguing, repeatedly and despite multiple exampels from history, that by definition one cannot be a “Christian” and a terrorist. He literally could not wrap his mind around the concept that Christians have killed…repeatedly…for their religious beliefs. A particularly noxious brand of the No True Scottsman fallacy.

    I grew up on this sort of swill. In their mind it justifies their determined ignorance when it comes to dealing with a predominant attribute of their religion. These same people are also quick to claim that atheists are just like Stalin and Mao when it comes to a desire to murder others. Rick Warren is the best exemplar of the latter.

  20. coryat:

    hmmm… IRA, Irish like the colour Green… green is the Islamic holy colour… MY GOD.

  21. podkayne:

    Bullshit in Europe, yes, but globally includes places like Indonesia and Iraq, where there are quite a few Muslim terrorists operating. And Israel, what ever your opinion about the Jewish settlements, is a non Muslim country, where you are more likely to be killed by a Muslim terrorist than other flavours of terrorist. Ease up on the knee jerk contrariness.

  22. navigator:

    Yeah, right…
    Timothy McVeigh, that mass murderer in Norway, those disgusting bits of smegma who have murdered women’s health doctors because they also provide abortions.
    Seems to me the problem is not which religion they belong to, but their willingness to make others pay for their extreme beliefs.

  23. birgerjohansson:

    Mangs, a serial killer with jingoistic motives just got sentenced in Malmö, south Sweden. Nominally he is a member of the Swedish church.

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