The Worldnutdaily’s Tortured Illogic


The Worldnutdaily has been furiously pimping a new book by William Murray, the son of American Atheists founder Madalyn Murray O’Hair. They’re doing it the way they always do, with advertisements disguised as fake articles where they “report” the author’s thoughts about whatever is in the news right now. And their latest fake article is a real doozy. Did you know that the Supreme Court’s health care ruling is all O’Hair’s fault? How’s that, you ask? Wait until you see this tortured bit of sophistry.

Engel v. Vitale, decided on June 25, 1962, determined it wasn’t constitutional for state officials to compose an official school prayer or encourage its recitation in public schools…

This decision paved the way for the Supreme Court to rule on June 13, 1965, (Abington School District v. Schempp) that school-sponsored Bible reading in public schools was unconstitutional.

Consolidated into this case was Murray v. Curlett, which was a suit filed by the founder of the American Atheist Madalyn Murray O’Hair, who argued that her young son shouldn’t have to be exposed to Bible readings in Baltimore public schools.

First of all, the Schempp decision was handed down in 1963, not 1965, and on June 17, not June 25. But more importantly, I’m amused at how oblivious the wingnuts are to their own inconsistencies. Remember, these are the people who claim that the individual mandate is tyranny! Fascism! The beginning of the Fourth Reich! And yet they are still outraged that the government can no longer force schoolchildren to recite government-mandated and written prayers and force them to read the Bible.

So what does any of this have to do with health care reform or the individual mandate? Nothing, of course, but William Murray has an amusingly idiotic argument to make. Murray, you see, converted not only to Christianity but to a particularly stupid version of it.

In an interview with WND, Murray spoke of the Engel v. Vitale case as one of the key Supreme Court decisions that inevitably led to the federal government getting involved in health care.

“Though it wasn’t as far-reaching and it didn’t affect the lives of everyday Americans as much as this case did today, the case [Engel v. Vitale] was a precursor to the case that removed Bible verses and prayer from school,” said Murray, whose book, “My Life Without God,” documents what his young life was like growing up with a committed communist like O’Hair as his mother.

“The 1963 case was one of the troika of cases that worked to destroy the basic family unit,” Murray explained. “One of the striking things about Obamacare is that it was pushed and promoted out of its necessity because of the breakup of the family. There is no one to take care of the family, because of this.

“Medical care since the time of Genesis was always a family responsibility,” Murray said. “But because government has interfered in the family, and because it has eliminated the three-generation household and eliminated the ability for families to take care of their own, the individual mandate becomes mandated.

“That necessitated intervention, in the eyes of the state,” he concluded.

Um. Okay.

Comments

  1. eoraptor013 says

    Ed:

    And yet they are still outraged that the government can no longer force schoolchildren to recite government-mandated and written prayers and force them to read the Bible.

    You clearly misunderstanz the school prayer cases. Clearly they were about teh guvmmint forcibly preventing us from our natural inclination to bow an’ scrape to supernatural ‘thority.

  2. says

    “Medical care since the time of Genesis was always a family responsibility,” Murray said.

    Yeah, those families in Genesis really took care of one another. Particularly impressive is the way Cain made short work of Abel’s health problems.

  3. Captain Mike says

    I’m agog to see an explanation for how the U.S. government eliminated the three-generation family.

  4. oranje says

    Good to know that medicine is a family thing. Now I can hit up all of my relatives for money for my shoulder surgery. Or have my aunt, who is a teacher, perform it.

  5. says

    Well, Lot’s daughters certainly took good care of him.

    What Planet Wingnuttia doesn’t understand is that the individual mandate is the trade-off for the fact that under the ACA, insurance companies can no longer do what they do now: deny you coverage (and not just for pre-existing conditions), drop you whenever it suits them, etc. Now that insurance companies must provide coverage, if there weren’t something like this mandate, we’d be in a situation where no one at all would bother buying insurance until after they were sick.

    But of course, on Planet Wingnuttia, conspiracy craziness is always the more plausible explanation!

  6. busterggi says

    Why we wouldn’t need health care if children still prayed in school. Nobody ever got sick when everyone prayed.

  7. tubi says

    Good to know that I can count on my family to provide medical care. Now if only my family included a cardiologist, rheumatologist, ob-gyn, and podiatrist, I’d be fine. I just hope my kids aren’t counting on me to help them, I’m squeamish about needles.

    My real family does actually include a GP doc and a veterinarian, so that’s a start, I guess.

  8. Loqi says

    Well then, my family is in a lot of trouble, because my software engineering background includes very little medical training. Sure, I can program a robot with a knife to do surgery, but the odds of it cutting the right thing are fairly slim.

  9. Gvlgeologist, FCD says

    Shouldn’t that be ‘Tortured Logic’?

    Nope. Even their illogic is tortured.

  10. d cwilson says

    So, not allowing mandatory prayers in school is the government interfering with the family?

    Wha?

    I’m sure it makes perfect sense on Planet Wingnuttery.

    I wonder if World Nut Daily gets a kick back from every book their pimp?

  11. ArtK says

    I wonder if World Nut Daily gets a kick back from every book their pimp?

    I don’t. I’d be tremendously surprised if they didn’t get some significant income from this.

  12. kermit. says

    Dana says: Shouldn’t that be ‘Tortured Logic’?

    Surely ‘enhanced interrogated logic’?

  13. slc1 says

    Without God,” documents what his young life was like growing up with a committed communist like O’Hair as his mother.

    Of course, Mr. Murray is a liar. AFAIK, his mother was no Communist and, in fact was quite conservative in many ways (she was death on drugs for instance).

  14. observer says

    Thanks to the economic malaise, three generation families are making a comeback. Small families are primarily a function of wealth, and extended families a function of diminished wealth.

  15. lofgren says

    Ooh “troika.” It’s all Russian and shit. (And now I have to reinstall Bloodlines.)

  16. wheatdogg says

    Perhaps Murray would consider moving to China. There is still a strong three-generation family tradition here, and even better, no universal health care. So, he can have what he wants, no problem.

    So, when grandma is diagnosed with kidney disease (substitute a life-threatening disease of your choice), and there’s no money for treatment, either her family goes into hock for decades to pay for it, or watches helplessly while grandma slowly dies at home.

    I teach here, and this has happened in many of my students’ families. I daresay, it’s probably happened in the USA, too.

    What I wish happens to Murray should not be published.

  17. noneedforaname says

    So what I gather from this – is that all good christian families have healthcare and don’t need it? Good to know. Can we just say then that good christian families aren’t allowed access to Obamacare? I mean, they don’t need it – right?

  18. concernedjoe says

    Of course if you are a REAL CHRISTIAN(TM) you should literally, totally, and fundamentally believe in and then act accordingly re: these gems:

    Our motto so forced down our throats:

    “In God We Trust”

    Matthew 17:20 where Jesus says unequivocally:

    “For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you”

    I say if you really believe as a REAL CHRISTIAN (TM) should then you must forfeit all secular assistance in this life, let the chips fall as God wills, and if you arrive in paradise sooner than later so much the better.

    Simple, individualistic, and holy! The Troika!!!

  19. slc1 says

    Re dan4 @ #20

    As I understand it, she was strongly opposed to drug use, particularly heroin, marijuana, cocaine etc. and supported suppression efforts.

  20. John Hinkle says

    I had to untie the pretzel my brain was in after reading that. Did this William Murray guy co-write the “weighs more than a duck” scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail?

  21. maxdwolf says

    Somewhat off topic, but given your propensity for showcasing the worst nonsense at WND, why haven’t you paid more attention to the racist ramblings of Colin Flaherty over there?

  22. longstreet63 says

    “The 1963 case was one of the troika of cases that worked to destroy the basic family unit,”

    Ah, that would be the family unit consisting of:
    God
    Father
    Son
    That female who cleans, cooks, amd occasionally produces babies for some reason, whatever her name is.
    The smaller females resulting from when what’s her name makes a mistake from the babymaking.

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