Michigan Republican Operative Muses About Armed Insurrection


Among the craziest reactions to the Supreme Court’s health care insurance mandate ruling is an email that was sent out by Matt Davis, former spokesman for the Michigan Republican Party. The email was titled “Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?”

Implicit in Benjamin Franklin’s fabled response at the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention was a dire warning: That the Republic would one day devolve into tyranny unless we the people prevented it.

In 2008, we the people elected Barack Obama as president, and the 100-year progressive trek to tyranny begun in 1912 with Woodrow Wilson’s election was complete. It cannot be said too many times — for the purposes of emphasis and clarity — that the Constitution was possible ONLY AFTER the American Revolution; and that the war itself would not have been possible without the collective agreement, as so eloquently articulated in the Declaration of Independence, that the course of human events will sometimes justify one group of people to sever themselves from their oppressors.

In other words, America itself was possible only after its people summoned the will to risk their lives and their futures — as well as those of their children — for a freedom they did not enjoy but knew was their gift from God. Along with their desire to be free came their willingness to engaged in armed rebellion for their freedom.

If government can mandate that I pay for something I don’t want, then what is beyond its power? If the Supreme Court’s decision Thursday paves the way for unprecedented intrusion into personal decisions, then has the Republic all but ceased to exist? If so, then is armed rebellion today justified?

God willing, this oppression will be lifted and America free again before the first shot is fired.

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Comments

  1. dogmeat says

    Gotta love how much they “love the country.” Only a true “patriot” would rise up and destroy their country to “save” it.

  2. Randomfactor says

    Jefferson had this guy pegged when he observed that the “Tree of Liberty” must occasionally be watered by the blood of idiots who are dreadfully upset over something but haven’t a clue why.

  3. Cliff Hendroval says

    If government can mandate that I pay for something I don’t want, then what is beyond its power?

    Does that mean I can get back all of my tax dollars that went to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

  4. Mr Ed says

    Gotta love how much they “love the country.” Only a true “patriot” would rise up and destroy their country to “save” it.

    Jilted lover patriots, if I can’t have her no one will. Republicans the crazy Ex party.

  5. sawells says

    @3: but they never shed their own blood, do they? The tree of liberty is being regularly watered with the corrosive, frothy spittle of idiots.

  6. plutosdad says

    As I’m reading through Alexander’s “The New Jim Crow” and read Radley Balko’s daily litany of abuse of citizens by police, I indeed do worry that some form of resistance might start (though I was born just after the 60s and have only read about things then).

    But if it does, I don’t see it being started by a bunch of spoiled white men whining about being forced to help other people.

  7. becca says

    I disapprove of war – why should my taxes go to pay for something I disapprove of so strongly? oh, yeah… I was out-voted. *sigh*

  8. matty1 says

    Oooh can I play?

    If government can mandate that I pay for something I don’t want, then what is beyond its power?

    Lots of stuff, perpetual motion machines, balancing the budget by cutting taxes and raising military spending, really all kinds of stuff

    If the Supreme Court’s decision Thursday paves the way for unprecedented intrusion into personal decisions, then has the Republic all but ceased to exist?

    um, no

    If so, then is armed rebellion today justified?

    I refer you to my previous answer

  9. Doug Little says

    If government can mandate that I pay for something I don’t want,

    Who the fuck doesn’t want health care?

  10. Doug Little says

    Oh he doesn’t want to pay for other people’s health care, especially brown people, most probably.

  11. oranje says

    I assume, since Michigan is a no-fault state, he has also issued rants about the communist style of auto insurance in this state. No? He’s more concerned about insurance for cars than people? Or is he just more concerned about shrieking and stamping his feet, all with a nice Barton-esque veneer of history?

  12. anandine says

    Since the federal government began requiring merchant sailors to buy health insurance in 1798, I guess this means we’ve been a dictatorship all this time.

  13. says

    Odds are that Davis knows perfectly well that armed insurrection is about as likely as Sarah Palin ever becoming President. But it feeds into the macho conservative belief system that claims owning a gun is only way to keep the government wolves from your door. That, and the implication that they are willing to die to stand up for what they believe is right (when it’s likely that nothing could be further from the truth).

    It’s easy to play the martyr when all you’re doing is indulging in fantasy role play.

  14. jnorris says

    The same white men whining about government intrusion into their personal lives are the same whining white men who advocate trans-vaginal probes and other useless medical tortures of pregnant women.

    And yeah, the Republic will fall because 30 million people may get health insurance.

  15. becca says

    I just saw a facebook post from a friend, objecting to the universal mandate, and about how the cap on social security should be raised… and she has a son on disability, and another son who has received extensive medical care on medicare/medicaid due to an accident he was in. She objects to the social safety network, while benefiting extensively from it. *sigh* and normally she’s such an intelligent woman, too.

  16. says

    Usually the people who are out front yammering about insurrection are the chickenshit bastards who survive the whole experience without seeing a shot fired in anger, and who supervise the guillotine’s operation and eventually succumb to one of thier ilk that is meaner, harder, and faster. Like Bonaparte or Stalin.

    Oddly, I now contextualize these noisy losers as all looking and sounding like Ted Nugent. You’ve got to admit, Nugent would fit right in with Robespierre…

  17. oranje says

    Marcus Ranum says:
    “You’ve got to admit, Nugent would fit right in with Robespierre…”

    Great. Now I’m going to picture Robespierre in zebra-print pants.

  18. erichoug says

    Meh! I remember after the election in 2004 how a lot of people were talking about revolution and this is likely the same thing.

    Whenever I hear people talking about armed insurrection I always ask the same question: Would you prefer to live with the condition as is? Or would you prefer to die of starvation after your wife and daughter were raped and murdered, your sons, brothers and father were all killed, your home burned to the ground, your business utterly destroyed and everything that surrounds you currently completely annhialated oh, and you get to starve to death only after years of prison and torture. If the answer is the latter then armed insurrection it is.

  19. Larry says

    If anyone every asks about the most powerful thing in the universe, the answer from now on will be electing a black man as president. The effects of this simple thing in converting normal, functional adults to blithering idiots like Davis is simply stunning. A nuclear bomb is like a fire cracker, comparatively speaking.

  20. Sean_W says

    Why do I read “now” like the answer to his query has been a forgone conclusion to him since forever?

  21. KG says

    Usually the people who are out front yammering about insurrection are the chickenshit bastards who survive the whole experience without seeing a shot fired in anger, and who supervise the guillotine’s operation and eventually succumb to one of thier ilk that is meaner, harder, and faster. Like Bonaparte or Stalin. – Marcus Ranum

    Yeah, why let historical fact get in the way of a good rant? Both Bonaparte and Stalin gave ample evidence of their physical courage, and while Bonaparte did “succumb” – although to a grand coalition of European powers rather than to an adventurer riding a revolutionary wave to dictatorial power (his “ilk”) – Stalin died in bed, and in power.

  22. DaveL says

    @18

    The underlying falsehood of right-wing attacks on the social safety net is that most of its budget is spent on the “undeserving” poor: illegal immigrants, promiscuous “welfare queens”, and those too lazy to work – in almost all cases groups implicitly or explicitly identified by race. So when people like your friend likely see no contradiction in demanding “their fair share” of government benefits while simultaneously calling for massive cuts.

  23. DaveL says

    KG, I think Marcus was referring to Bonaparte and Stalin as “one of their ilk that is meaner, harder, and faster”, rather than as examples of revolutionaries supplanted by the same.

  24. frog says

    So if his side takes casualties in this proposed insurrection, how are they planning to pay for their medical care?

  25. d cwilson says

    The wingnut mind is a wonder to behold. They don’t object to torture, illegal wiretapping, indefinite detention, or flat out being lied to in order to send young Americans to war, but try to make health insurance affordable to more Americans, and they’ll be looking for their guns.

    Of course, this is really just sour grapes from the losers. Ever since Saint Ron, republicans have convinced themselves that the presidency is theirs by divine right. Therefore, any president who doesn’t have an R after his name must be illegitimate. We went through similar cries of tyranny every time Clinton tied his shoes. Under Obama, they’ve cranked the batshit up to eleven. The next democratic president will have it even worse. The republicans will probably call for his impeachment before he even takes the oath of office.

  26. says

    Oh good grief, another moral degenerate who thinks that tyranny swept over the nation some 130+ years after the founding, never mind the incomprehensible moral degeneracy of slavery, and women having rights on a par with children. It isn’t simply a matter of forgetting about all this. In their hearts, people who say such things are themselves filthy moral perverts. Anyone–anyone with a shred of decency, could not look at the first half of this country’s existence and remotely imagine that the first half was morally superior to the second half, or that the second half has been tyrannical in contrast to the first half when men owned other human beings who they raped, fathered children with–children they kept as slaves. These were same men who thought of women as having a level of personal agency somewhere between an adult and a child.

  27. thecalmone says

    It is always a source of astonishment to an outsider (I’m Australian) that so many Americans are so unwilling to help their compatriots. Why is it that the aversion to tax trumps simple human charity?

  28. says

    Dr X, the farther back in the past you go the better it gets*1. That’s how it works. For every so-called civil right that other people got, the Right People lost a little unearned privilege*2.

    1. For the purpose of this exercise, be a White Protestant Heterosexual Male. And be resentful. And spiteful. Basically, be a dick.
    2. “Gee, Paw. So what you’re sayin’ is that I earned all this world and power and everythin’…simply for bein’ born a Caw-kay-shin?” “That’s right, Opie. Now git yer rifle and let’s show Thomas Shipp and Abram Smith the meaning of ‘respek’.”

  29. says

    #28:

    You’re about 3.5 years too late on that one. That actually happened to Obama — it was all wrapped in with the ACORN and Bill Ayers stuff.

  30. Pinky says

    If government can mandate that I pay for something I don’t want,…

    Drivers licenses?

    Liability car insurance?

    Business licenses?

    Building permits?

    Building inspections?

    Fire protection?

    Police protection?

    Infrastructure?

    Military?

    Public schools?

    Corporate welfare?

    Churches without tax?

    Professional licenses or should any idiot who calls themselves a physician or dentist be allowed to practice unobstructed?

    …then what is beyond its power?

    Killing its citizens who do not have the money to fight a legal system stacked against them?

    Punishing citizens for marijuana use?

    Promulgating more laws with harsher punishments so private prison corporations prosper?

    Giving breaks to corporations so the common citizen is required to pay more taxes?

    Magnanimously relieving the richest 1% of taxes so the common citizen is required to pay more taxes?

    Denying woman the right to make their own reproductive health care decisions?

    Making it as difficult as possible for women to make their own health care decisions by delaying and obstructing health care, persecuting abortion clinics, shooting physicians who provide abortions, forcing women into having their bodies violated by unnecessary vaginal probes (more commonly known as rape) to qualify for abortions?

    Forcing the rites and rituals of the majority religion into secular government and society?

    If the Supreme Court’s decision Thursday paves the way for unprecedented intrusion into personal decisions, then has the Republic all but ceased to exist? If so, then is armed rebellion today justified?

    God willing, this oppression will be lifted and America free again before the first shot is fired.

    How very histrionic Mr. Former Spokesman for the Michigan Republican Party, Matt Davis. I hope the FBI is reviewing your threat to shove your fascist ideology down my throat by force.

    I must congratulate conservatives for an example of how to do effective propaganda; how to examine the public’s mood by sending out subversive messages by a person seen as Republican, but still giving the Republican machine plausible deniability.

  31. Gvlgeologist, FCD says

    d cwilson says:

    The wingnut mind is a wonder to behold. They don’t object to torture, illegal wiretapping, indefinite detention, or flat out being lied to in order to send young Americans to war…

    You don’t understand. They do object to most of those, but it’s the Democrats’ fault. As of the moment that Obama took office.

  32. dingojack says

    oranje (#20) – Well not quite Zebra stripes – but natty nevertheless.
    :) Dingo
    —–
    [waves] Hi thecalmone!
    Aren’t you glad we just pay our 1.5% and get cheaper, better healthcare? :)

  33. anubisprime says

    One could easily conclude that the rank & file of the rethuglian legions are yearning for a Mad Max scenario…and certain other powerful agenda’s under their banner are holding on to the rethug shirt tails in order to imitate Mel Gibson and his hypnotic like fascination with all things sky fairy!

    Those with the guns will rule…of course…’until’ the natural order is restored at least!

    Little heavily armed militias in every state, armed and willing to do the work of jeebus and insure ‘merica is reborn in their own image…which is jeebus & papa’s will apparently.

    So let us recap on what is on the jeebus wish list!

    No tax bills…
    No medical care if you are poor…cos the poor do not matter in fact they get in the way and cost a fortune!
    No central government…they are the authority and their say so must be so said!
    No education apart from jeebus tales!
    Preferably no elections cos the democratic way is not democratic enough in their eyes, this boils down to privilege and who has the cash has the say so!.

    I am fairly sure there are a whole raft load of legislation which benefits ‘merica…read them…and no one else either domestically or foreign.
    Actually ratified legislation is not required just act of state authority…by pass the defunct legislature totally, tis the ‘merican way, practicality above all…and gods will!

    Bomb Iran…their holy grail!
    Bomb Afghanistan and have done with it!
    Bomb Pakistan…same reason!
    Bomb Russia as an after thought!

    Install Palin as permanent vice-pres…after all she is their honey bunch it munch it crunch it…but still a woman when the hysteria dies down!

    And then?….ahh!…seems the wet dream only goes so far!

    America would become a pariah and the wild west would rise again without the shyness…except they eradicated the injuns’ last time around now it would be the atheists, free thinkers, secularists and enemies of the constitution and therefore jeebus…who ever they deem as such!

    Who knows there are so many agitating for that scenario it might just come to pass!

  34. left0ver1under says

    In the civil rights campaign of the 1960s, the marchers used non-violent protest in the face of violent aggression, but they still won.

    In a complete reversal, the health care law is a non-violent act, but its opponents are insinuating and inciting violence. It says a lot, doesn’t it?

  35. says

    Actually, this rhetoric isn’t as crazy as it sounds: Republicans know that their liberal opponents are both less armed and less inclined to advocate (let alone practice) armed rebellion than they are; so they have good reason to suspect that bluster about armed resistance could easily serve to silence and intimidate a good number of people who might otherwise start to unite against their tired fascist order.

    And I’m quite certain that their rich and connected chums are fully behind these thinly-veiled threats, just as they are behind the faux-populist Tea Party.

  36. iangould says

    When Romney introduced his version of the individual mandate in Massachusetts did one single person claim it was oppressive and tyrannical and gave unlimited power to the government of the Commonwealth?

  37. erichoug says

    @Raging Bee

    ..liberal opponents are both less armed and less inclined to advocate (let alone practice) armed rebellion than they are;

    I respectfully beg to differ.

  38. DaveL says

    Actually, this rhetoric isn’t as crazy as it sounds: Republicans know that their liberal opponents are both less armed and less inclined to advocate (let alone practice) armed rebellion than they are;

    I’ve googled pictures of Matt Davis. Forget tyranny -I’m surprised he can rise up against gravity.

  39. Akira MacKenzie says

    Oooooh please, oh p,ease, oh please start something. By all means, play out your “Red Dawn” wet dreams, Tea Baggers. Watching a bunch of middle-aged paranoids and wanna-be Army/Marine psychos with AR-15s get mulched by modern U.S. troops and equipment would be hilarious and lead to a major improvement in American political culture. Dead Tea Baggers can’t vote, not even in Chicago.

  40. erichoug says

    @ Akira MacKenzie

    Hilarious! Just the visual of dumbass teabaggers getting mowed down by an A-10 makes my day.

    Now I know what I want for Christmas: A Teabagger uprising and a videocamera.

  41. ischemgeek says

    I wonder how many of these yahoos think of war as all Lord fo the Rings and Star Wars, good guys vs bad guys, and no visible suffering of innocents or famine or long-term consequences. War ends and everything blinks back to normal the very next morning, with no damage to the generation that fought and no decades of rebuilding and no emotional scars that last a lifetime.

    I’ve never experienced war, but I can read. I can look at photos. I can watch video, and listen to the stories of those that have experienced it. And I have a very active imagination. And I feel entirely certain that the worst I can imagine is not even 1/100th of the horror of the actual reality of war.

    WWII devastated a generation in my country. Of my grandmother’s family, which had 7 boys, 6 died in the war. The survivor returned home with permanent injuries, and committed suicide about five years later, likely as a result of PTSD. Of four girls, two went overseas in the Womens’ corps. One didn’t return. The other never spoke of her experiences until the day she died. The two who didn’t go overseas rarely talk about what it was like at home volunteering in hospitals and on the air force base, but when they do, they invariably cry. And I look at my sister and foster siblings and cousins and the rest of my family, and I try to imagine what it would be like if I didn’t know where most of them are and if I knew that chances were very high they weren’t ever coming home. I try to imagine if 8/11 of them died in the space of <10 years. And I try to imagine the toll on my parents and on the survivors. And I realize I can't. And then I realize how very lucky I am that such magnitude of loss is alien to me.

    I wonder if these yahoos have ever seriously contemplated what they’re promoting when they advocate armed insurrection. I can’t imagine anyone who has seriously considered the consequences still being willing to advocate for it if they have the good fortune to live in a first world nation.

  42. kermit. says

    ischemgeek: I wonder if these yahoos have ever seriously contemplated what they’re promoting when they advocate armed insurrection. I can’t imagine anyone who has seriously considered the consequences still being willing to advocate for it if they have the good fortune to live in a first world nation.

    Nope; they don’t do “what ifs”.
    They don’t do science:
    What if the world had been covered by a flood -, what would we expect to see?

    They don’t do history:
    What if Jefferson had been a Deist – more like a Unitarian than a Pentecostal, what would he have written down?

    They don’t do journalism:
    What if Obama had been born in Hawaii – what evidence would we reasonably expect?

    And they don’t plan wars; they just fantasize them. Which doesn’t mean they don’t start real ones. Much the same group of people (or at least their great-great grandparents) fought a war of independence (the American Civil War), based partly on their underestimation of its cost. I’m not sure what they learn from these wars, but it’s not what sane people would learn.(1) If you go into them crazy already, you learn crazy stuff, I guess.

    (1) I recommend “On Killing” by David Grossman for anyone interested in this subject. PTSD is as often caused by sane people being forced to be violent as it is by violence committed by others.

  43. ischemgeek says

    I really hope you’re right. The alternative (that they consider the cost and judge it to be worth it) is just too horrifying to me. Mind you, that they could jump into a war without thoroughly examining it is nearly as disturbing when I stop to contemplate it.

    Sadly, Davis isn’t the only one Roy Nicholson issued a statement which includes this gem:

    When a gang of criminals subvert legitimate government offices and seize all power to themselves without the real consent of the governed their every act and edict is of itself illegal and is outside the bounds of the Rule of Law. In such cases submission is treason. Treason against the Constitution and the valid legitimate government of the nation to which we have pledged our allegiance for years. To resist by all means that are right in the eyes of God is not rebellion or insurrection, it is patriotic resistance to invasion.

    May all of us fall on our faces before the Heavenly Judge, repent of our sins, and humbly cry out to Him for mercy on our country. And, may godly courageous leaders rise up in His wisdom and power to lead us in displacing the criminal invaders from their seats and restore our constitutional republic.

    (emphasis mine)

    May I say as a Canadian that the political scene in your country is scaring the hell out of me?

  44. says

    KG writes:
    Both Bonaparte and Stalin gave ample evidence of their physical courage

    Please read for comprehension. I was, in fact, saying that the Stalins and the Bonapartes are the ones that are the harder and tougher ones, who come afterwards and exploit the cracks in society that are made by the yapping dogs. If you want to keep it to the simple comparison I was making the Robespierres and Lenins were the talkers and the Bonapartes and Stalins the grave-diggers.

  45. StevoR says

    The email was titled “Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?”

    Immediately thinks – and went ontocontain a single word ‘NO’ right?

    Reads on – oh.. OH. What the .. O-o

  46. says

    I wonder if these yahoos have ever seriously contemplated what they’re promoting when they advocate armed insurrection.

    Yeah. Are they watching the fighting in Syria and thinking “that looks just like ‘Black Ops’ for playstation” or something?

  47. StevoR says

    Wingnut : “In 2008, we the people elected Barack Obama as president, and the 100-year progressive trek to tyranny begun in 1912 with Woodrow Wilson’s election was complete.”

    Which perfectly explains why there’s an election going with with Mittens Rmoney running near neck-&neck with Obama right now and why the US Constitution is still in force same as ever and all, riiight?

  48. dingojack says

    Marcus – we are talking about the same Robespierre? The one who was the primus inter pares of the Committee of Public Safety* – the people who were in charge of ‘The Terror’? Where people ended up getting guilotined on mere suspcion of anti-revolutionary activities. Shit loads of ‘em.
    That one right?

    Dingo
    —–
    * Now Obama should set-up a Senatorial committee called that! Watch the tea-baggers collectively burrow deeper into their mommy’s basement and pee their pants in abject fear – simultaneously.
    Hi-larious!

  49. says

    Watching a bunch of middle-aged paranoids and wanna-be Army/Marine psychos with AR-15s get mulched by modern U.S. troops and equipment would be hilarious and lead to a major improvement in American political culture.

    Many of those doddering teatards have sons and daughters in the military, and many of them have been indoctrinated in the “values” of the Christian Reich. That would make the military’s likely response to a tea-putsch a little more complicated, and less amusing.

  50. says

    ischemgeek “May I say as a Canadian that the political scene in your country is scaring the hell out of me?”
    You have to stay vigilante, Canada. Relax for just one second and the commiepinkos will sneak in to your country, too. Then you’ll wake up one morning and find yourselves under the crushing yoke of socialized healthcare!

  51. michaelcrichton says

    anandine says:

    Since the federal government began requiring merchant sailors to buy health insurance in 1798, I guess this means we’ve been a dictatorship all this time.

    That pretty clearly falls under Section 1, Article 2, “admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction”.

    becca says:

    I just saw a facebook post from a friend, objecting to the universal mandate, and about how the cap on social security should be raised…

    Either your friend or you are missing some nuance. When people talk about that, they usually mean that the amount of income that should be taxed is raised. Currently, only the first $110,000 dollars of income is taxed, if that amount were raised to $150,000, there would be no shortfall for the foreseeable future.

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