Barton’s Substance-Free Response to Critics


With our own Chris Rodda joining John Fea, Warren Throckmorton and others in debunking David Barton’s new book full of lies about Thomas Jefferson virtually line by line, Barton took to his radio show to offer a pointless and entirely substance-free response to his critics:

Barton: Well one of the things I found really interesting, certainly with what we do at WallBuilders, we got a lot of opponents, we got a lot of people who hate us. I was telling a group of law students the other day that I know of four law schools who have entire websites going after me. The book we recently did on the Jefferson Lies, there’s two professors who came out with a book rebutting it before I’d even released the book! We don’t have to read this stuff, we know it all false.

Rick Green: Hey, but if you’re not taking flak you know you’re not over the target, right?

Barton: Exactly. And what he have is a number of Christian colleges now teaching entire courses on how bad I am and so I’m one of these targets out there. And I expect that from the secular guys. I expect that from the the Freedom From Religion Society [sic], I expect that from Americans United, I expect that from People for the American Way and Media Matters …

Green: … the people that have worked so hard to move us away from our foundation.

Barton: The guys that hate God. What’s been surprising is how many Christians have jumped on board – no, no God had nothing to do with the American founding; America was founded as a wicked nation; all the Founding Fathers were atheists and agnostics …

Green: From the Christian community?

Barton: From the Christian community! Now I expect that from the secular guys but the reason it’s coming from the Christian community is it goes back to something Jesus said in Luke 6:40 where he said “every student, when he’s fully trained, will be like his teacher.” now what’s happened is all these secular guys have been training students that were Christians, but now these Christian kids have been trained with a secular philosophy, they’ve become our professors and they’re just parroting what they heard. It’s not that they went back and check for themselves, they just assumed that their professors were right- they really like their professors, they were nice guys and they were really educated and had three Ph.Ds and they told me all the Founders were atheists. And so now you’ve to Christians repeating exactly what they’ve been taught rather than what truth and what history actually is.

Notice what’s missing? Like even an attempt to rebut any of the specific criticisms those people have made of him? Right Wing Watch also points out that he’s lying:

You will undoubtly shocked to learn that Barton’s claim that the book refuting his “Jefferson Lies” book came out before his book was even released is entirely false. His book was released on April 10 whereas “Getting Jefferson Right: Fact Checking Claims about Our Third President” was released on May 3.

Also, we hereby challenge Barton to name any of the “four law schools who have entire websites” dedicated to attacking him as well as to name even one of the “number of Christian colleges now teaching entire courses on how bad” he is because, frankly, we have no idea what he is talking about.

I doubt he does either.

Comments

  1. thisisaturingtest says

    [Barton]:…I expect that from Americans United, I expect that from People for the American Way and Media Matters …

    Green: … the people that have worked so hard to move us away from our foundation.

    Barton: The guys that hate God.

    Isn’t the Executive Director of Americans United an ordained minister in the United Church of Christ? By george, he is. So a minister who disagrees with Barton “hates god”? How much more “no true Scotsman” can you get?

  2. raven says

    Barton is starting to be the Rush Limbaugh of fundie xian liars.

    Predictable and boring.

  3. oranje says

    I’m betting, when I go to visit family (who are quite moderate people), that at least one of his books will be somewhere, the same way the Left Behind series magically showed up.

    That last comment of mine was kind of a reverse-rapture, I think.

  4. Reginald Selkirk says

    We don’t have to read this stuff, we know it all false.

    I’m not sure if Barton is saying this for himself about his opponents’ rebuttals, which would make him a clueless poopyhead who is immune to evidence,
    .
    or if he is projecting this thought onto his opponents; who as Ed noted, did not publish their rebuttal before his book.

  5. says

    David Barton is so pathological that he can’t keep from lying when trying to defend himself against the people pointing out his lies. I wonder if he’ll ever admit how wrong he has been.

  6. raven says

    David Barton is so pathological that he can’t keep from lying…

    A lot of fundie leaders seem to be sociopaths.

    A thread earlier today on Dispatches chronicled the Crouches who seem to be as pathological as they are wealthy from xians giving them money.

    Says a lot about how likely their religion is to be true. “If xianity was true, they wouldn’t have to lie all the time.”

  7. hexidecima says

    always enjoyable to see someone like Barton, a supposed good honest Christian, repeatedly lie. He has no evidence nothing to support his claims about Jefferson or about the United States.

    If he doesn’t beleive his own bible, demonstrated by his actions, why should anyone else? romans 3 says that lies told by Christians “for” their god are anathema to that god. Barton does a wonderful job at showing that religion doesn’t make a man decent, honest or humane, at all.

  8. iknklast says

    We recently spent a day with my dad, who is now 3 states removed from us in space, so we don’t see him often. I remember my dad being conservative, Christian, and very anti-Communist, anti-feminist, etc. I remember him hating Madalyn Murray O’Hair and the SCOTUS decisions. What I don’t remember is him being a conspiracy nut, a raving lunatic, and obsessed with the weird wingnut fantasies that are common fodder. He mostly just loved Nixon and hated liberals, but he didn’t foam at the mouth. Now, he’s foaming at the mouth. I hardly dare speak to him anymore. He apologized (apologized!) to my husband for not bringing his gun on the trip with him because he wasn’t sure about the laws on guns in our states (I’ll give him a hint – it’s only one county bluer than his totally red state – the laws are quite lenient). This actually scared me. I never knew my dad to pack as a routine thing in the past. These ranting lunatics on the radio and TV have so terrified him of the black man in the White House that he feels he has to carry his gun with him at all times. By the way, this trip was to go to a play conference I was in – a gun at a play conference? Needing to protect yourselves from a bunch of playwrights and actors? WoW! I repeat, WoW!

  9. oranje says

    iknklast: This sounds somewhat familiar to the way my family is headed, though they aren’t quite there yet. Do you know what caused this shift in your father? Is he an avid media consumer? I’m just curious; it’s interesting – and scary – to see what the media climate can do to an individual’s mindset.

  10. Doug Little says

    The guys that hate God.

    It’s hard to hate something that doesn’t exist. Now if he said “The guys that think the existence of a god is highly unlikely” he would be closer to the mark.

  11. Doug Little says

    but now these Christian kids have been trained with a secular philosophy, they’ve become our professors and they’re just parroting what they heard. It’s not that they went back and check for themselves, they just assumed that their professors were right- they really like their professors

    Houston, we have massive projection.

  12. grumpyoldfart says

    My prediction: In a hundred years from now, Barton’s books will still be reprinted and most Americans will consider them to be reliable history books.

  13. curtcameron says

    What’s been surprising is how many Christians have jumped on board – no, no God had nothing to do with the American founding; America was founded as a wicked nation…

    In Barton’s tiny little mind, either America was founded as a Christian nation, or it was “founded as a wicked nation.” He’s actually claiming that there are people, even Christian people, out there teaching that America was founded as a wicked nation.

  14. oranje says

    curtcameron – Well, America did kind of start in the northeast, and isn’t the Boston stereotype that everything is “wicked” awesome or something?

  15. John Hinkle says

    …challenge Barton to name any of the “four law schools who have entire websites” dedicated to attacking him…

    By four law schools, Barton means “zero or more.” And by “entire website”, he means “somebody saw my name on a liberal web page.” But hey, the way Barton said it turns up the Persecution Amplifier to 11.

  16. observer says

    If there were indeed four Christian colleges with websites devoted to how full of crap Barton is, that would be a very positive development. The fact that even one is correcting his errors is good.

  17. hunter says

    “Notice what’s missing? Like even an attempt to rebut any of the specific criticisms those people have made of him?”

    Common tactic — I’ve noticed Tony Perkins do almost the same thing: when someone challenges him on one of his lies, he sits there blinking like a lizard that just swallowed a stinkbug and then changes the subject.

    Barton has the advantage here of not having to confront anyone directly.

  18. imthegenieicandoanything says

    He should just borrow Ken Kam’s catchphrase:

    WERE YOU THERE?

    Barton uses the same sole source, and makes up the rest as he pleases – just like that piece of dingoshit Ham – for the same audience.

    History! Just make it up!

  19. iknklast says

    Oranje – my dad started listening to Rush after he retired in the early 90s. I didn’t really notice the rabid obsessions until the Tea Party, though. I do know that he started foaming a bit when Newdow won his first case on Under God, so maybe that’s what started it; plus there was a case of a cross on the city seal of his hometown that the courts ordered removed in 1995. But I still didn’t notice this level of crazy until after Obama was elected. I think he had just accepted after 9/11 that the Republicans had gotten back their rightful ownership of the government, and it shocked him when the Democrats took the White House, especially with a commie pinko socialist radical black man (not an exact quote, but close – Dad doesn’t usually mention him being black; he uses Muslim instead as his preferred euphemism).

  20. withheld says

    My mom has been ratcheting up the foaminess too. Just last week, she sent me a “newsletter” with links to The Blaze and World Nut Daily, then an entire article from WallBuilders. I don’t know where to go with it anymore. Everyone she knows is like that. They surround themselves with all of this paranoia that, if they took 30 seconds to ask themselves if it even made sense, they would toss away. Instead, they just become even more indignant about that evil anti-Christian in the White House, and forward it on to all of their friends.

    I blame e-mail. This crap spread much more slowly before they could just forward it to another 20 people without thinking about it too much.

  21. dingojack says

    For anyone who is curious (and those who aren’t I guess):

    Luke 6:40
    40 A pupil is not superior to his teacher, but everyone [when he is] completely trained (readjusted, restored, set to rights, and perfected) will be like his teacher.
    Amplified Bible

    Yep, ‘once perfected a student will be as good as his teacher’ is exactly the same as ‘all teachers brainwash their students’*

    Barton can’t even manage to tell the truth about his own ‘holy’ book. Figures.

    Dingo
    —–
    * except if the teachers are from a good xtian diploma mill – ah sorry – school, where Barton clones are the best they can get, naturally.

  22. joachim says

    Jefferson was THE MAN!

    A secular hero who not only had slaves but had lots of sex with them.

    The guy had it all!

  23. matthewhodson says

    That Barton is cracked, thinks he’s some bigwig while really he’s just low-down lying scum.

  24. says

    Wow. It’s like he’s made an entire lifestyle of the Christian Persecution Complex.

    I’m truly weary of all this. I’m becoming numb to it all, all the lies, all the intentional miseducation, all the undeserved self-righteousness. I really wish folks like Barton would stop pushing their god through intentional propaganda and misinformation. I mean, if their beliefs can’t stand on their own, what’s the point?

  25. says

    “Barton’s Substance-Free Response to Critics”

    Ed, with Barton it’s substance-free all the way down. Is feature, not bug.

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