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Jun 25 2012

Geller Doesn’t Like RLUIPA If It Applies to Muslims

Unhinged crazy person Pam Geller now thinks the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA), which has been used by thousands of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues to overrule local zoning laws, should be repealed because — gasp! — now Muslims are using it too.

Mefferd: You had talked about the necessity of repealing the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act, I guess this is what Holder is using to pressure this Virginia board of supervisors to approve this mega-mosque, what is this Act and why is it necessary?

Geller: It’s not necessary, frankly. I urge the repeal of this Act. I’m not sure who it was, I could have it wrong, I don’t know if it was Orrin Hatch, this is not a finger pointing kind of a thing, it’s more ‘the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.’ It was unnecessary, it was an idea that there should be no religious persecution of houses of worship and so on and so forth, and that was all well and good, but it’s become a weapon in which to club small towns and cities.

Look, no one is saying that you can’t build a mosque, even with the Ground Zero Mosque; there are hundreds of mosques in New York City, we know there are thousands of mosques nationwide, but these giant structures, they completely change the complexion of a town. It could be a small town, residential. I’m telling you I have seen it time and time again, irrecognizable three to five years later. The call to prayer, the parking, hundreds of people. Again, there is an element of dishonesty here because as you know in Islam they got on their knees so you don’t count a chair with that. But it’s important because it’s a way of circumventing the rules, you can’t say ‘it seats 500 or it seats whatever.’ It’s not just freedom of religion here in America, it’s also freedom from religion here in America.

Oh, of course. It’s just because sometimes those Muslims build really big mosques and that’s the problem. Funny, I don’t remember her complaining about the building of huge Christian megachurches anywhere, do you? And in fact, her fellow lunatic David Yerushalmi, with whom she co-founded one of her many organizations, has not only argued that no mosque should be allowed, he wants the practice of Islam outlawed completely.

The American Center for Law and Justice, which worked with Geller in trying to stop the Park 51 Islamic center, helped get RLUIPA passed and they think it’s a wonderful law — unless Muslims use it too, of course. When the wingnuts say they want religious freedom, they mean only for Christians.

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  1. 1
    gshelley

    Again, there is an element of dishonesty here

    Truer words were never spoken

  2. 2
    RW Ahrens

    …an “element” of dishonesty?

    Don’t you mean rampant dishonesty?

  3. 3
    Zeno

    That’s what Pam Geller gets for belonging to the Church of the Hoist Petard.

  4. 4
    Hairy Chris, blah blah blah etc

    Absolutely hilarious. Let’s all bask in the hypocrisy for a minute.

  5. 5
    cjcolucci

    Right for the wrong reasons.

  6. 6
    reverendrodney

    I am in the mood to nitpick.

    “irrecognizable”?
    Kinda belongs in the same dictionary with “refudiate”.

  7. 7
    weaver

    For them, “Freedom of Religion” means you get to select what sort of Protestant you want to be.

    So long as it’s not one of those crazy types, that is.

  8. 8
    Bronze Dog

    You know, if it does get repealed, I’d love to dig this up when someone complains.

  9. 9
    some bastard on the net

    @Hairy Chris #4

    I don’t know if ‘bask’ is the right word here; ‘wade’ or ‘trudge’ seem like better candidates for that.

    When I was five or six, a storm drain broke and leaked nasty water into our basement, and I (being a kid) naturally wound up wading through it. After reading Geller’s lunacy, I certainly did have the same feeling in my shoes.

  10. 10
    Abby Normal

    @Reverendrodney

    Seems appropropriate, a made up word for a made up problem.

    Pam Geller:

    It could be a small town, residential. I’m telling you I have seen it time and time again, irrecognizable three to five years later.

    Really? Tell me more. Go on, name one. Name a small town transformed by a mega-mosque. You’ve seen it time and time again, right? Surely you can name one.

  11. 11
    Vall

    Reverendrodney,

    At least is wasn’t “irregardless.”

    My wish is that people like Geller would realize separation of church and state is good for them. Every time they get a “victory” breaking down that wall, it will backfire because it doesn’t only apply to them. Yet it happens over and over as Ed has proven.

    The hot stove will burn your hand on the first try and on the one hundredth try. Do you really need to burn yourself a hundered times to figure it out?

  12. 12
    criticaldragon1177

    Ed Brayton,

    Geller is hardly a reasonable person. I’m ashamed I ever supported her at all. I wish I could go back and do all the stupid things I did in the past.

  13. 13
    Artor

    All right Pam, I’ll bite. Let’s repeal RLUIPA, and then we can tear down any churches that were built taking advantage of it, okay? Seriously, do we need another fucking godbox on every damned block? I don’t think so.

  14. 14
    ArtK

    @Vall

    Someone once defined insanity as “doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.” Very applicable here, IMO.

  15. 15
    Modusoperandi

    Look, no one is saying that you can’t build a mosque, even with the Ground Zero Mosque; there are hundreds of mosques in New York City, we know there are thousands of mosques nationwide, but these giant structures, they completely change the complexion of a town. It could be a small town, residential. I’m telling you I have seen it time and time again, irrecognizable three to five years later.

    She does realize that her very own argument was (and is) used against her own people?

  16. 16
    Larry

    When the wingnuts say they want religious freedom, they mean only for their own brand of Christians®.

    FIFY

  17. 17
    Trebuchet

    She’s right about how allowing the construction of certain mega-structures makes small towns “irrecognizable”. Of course, those are Wal-Marts, not mosques.

  18. 18
    Vall

    @ArtK

    I wish I could remember where I saw it, maybe Greg Laden, but there seem to be some that appear to think backwards. Up is down, black is white sort of thing. My comment at the time was I thought the brain waves were 180 degrees out of phase. I don’t know enough about the brain to speak intelligently about it so I use the electromagnetic analogy.

    My own rule-of-thumb in reading conservative statements is to take it’s exact opposite meaning as true. It works pretty good most of the time. Things like “job creator” or “Patriot Act” are obvious examples. My favorite is the millionaire CEO bitching about labor costs.

  19. 19
    criticaldragon1177

    Trebuchet,

    My dad used to say where Walmart goes nothing grows. Walmart is infamous for driving mom and pop stores out of business.

  20. 20
    d cwilson

    Again, there is an element of dishonesty here because as you know in Islam they got on their knees so you don’t count a chair with that. But it’s important because it’s a way of circumventing the rules, you can’t say ‘it seats 500 or it seats whatever.

    So she wants the mosque to say it “kneels 500 people”? Seriously?

    It could be a small town, residential. I’m telling you I have seen it time and time again, irrecognizable three to five years later. The call to prayer, the parking, hundreds of people.

    Substitute “call to prayer” with “clanging bells” and you’ve just described every church ever built.

  21. 21
    Trebuchet

    @ #19: Coincidentally, there was just a WM commercial on TV with an older lady saying she’d been a Wal-Mart employee for 50 years. And she’s probably still eligible for food stamps.

    Sorry for the off-topic, we now return you to your regularly scheduled right wing loons.

  22. 22
    John Hinkle

    It’s not just freedom of religion here in America, it’s also freedom from religion here in America.

    Wait, what? Isn’t there a wingnut bumper sticker that negates that?

  23. 23
    laurentweppe

    She does realize that her very own argument was (and is) used against her own people?

    She’s a fascist: her agument was not used “against her people”, it was use by her people against her ancestors.

  24. 24
    jnorris

    “It’s not just freedom of religion here in America, it’s also freedom from religion here in America.” Pam Geller, 2012

    The next atheist billboard.

  25. 25
    slc1

    Ms. Geller has also gotten into a brouhaha with the Jewish Federation of Greater Los Angeles over being dis-invited by that organization to a meeting.

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/conservative-blogger-pamela-geller-lashes-out-at-l-a-jewish-federation-over-nixed-speech-1.443705

  26. 26
    timgueguen

    Just watch. The slightly more ideologically flexible conservative Christians will eventually decide Muslims aren’t so bad, at least as allies, just like they did with the Catholic Church. Sure, they’ll all go to Hell unless they accept Jesus, but they oppose icky things like gay people, and women having full control of their bodies. So working with them prior to the Rapture to stop the libruhs and the Homaseckul Agender is all right.

  27. 27
    democommie

    What we really need is a few multi-gazillionaire RepubliKKKan KKKristianist out of the closet gayz (please, just suspend your disbelief and humor me!). Then teh buttseks would become a sacrament.

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