Rick Joyner gives us the crazy wingnut quote of the day:
We were unquestionably founded on Judeo-Christian principles but there is an effort in America today to rob us of that identity, to take that away from us. If you want to see what can happen when you lose your identity all you have to do is look at the continent of Europe. The continent of Europe is dark, it is hopelessly lost and it’s going to get worse. Every expert will tell you that by the middle of this century the continent of Europe will be an Islamic continent, and they can’t reverse it, they can’t stop it. It is because they took Jesus out of their societies and it’s been replaced by darkness. Any time there is a void it will be replaced by the Enemy, and the Enemy is unquestionably real and he is in fact called Satan, and that is something that people in this country have not yet figured out.
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Captain Mike
May 29, 2012 at 10:34 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Where is Rick Joyner from then?
Randomfactor
May 29, 2012 at 10:44 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Every expert will tell you that by the middle of this century the continent of Europe will be an Islamic continent
Because Islam is apparently so inherently superior to Christianity and every other religion, let alone atheism, that millions will convert? How else would the EU get from 3.2 percent Islamic in 2007 to a majority in less than 50 years?
d cwilson
May 29, 2012 at 10:44 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Citation (ie, quote fabricated by David Barton) missing.
velociraptor
May 29, 2012 at 10:49 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
“We were unquestionably founded on Judeo-Christian principles”
Show us where democracy, individual liberties and freedom of religion appear in the Bible, numbnuts.
Alverant
May 29, 2012 at 10:49 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
I am SO sick of hearing this. No one has ever given any examples of these principles. Instead they act like it’s a given and use it as justification of christian privilige. Some clown on RawStory over the weekend went nuts when I asked for proof and quickly resorted to insults and calling me “lazy” for not looking it up. He never gave any examples either.
mareap
May 29, 2012 at 10:51 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Europe was dark when I was there last. I was in Norway in January, and man, it was dark.
Audley Darkheart (liar and scoundrel)
May 29, 2012 at 10:57 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Random:
Well, it’s just like the racial fears that we have in the US– the population increase doesn’t have anything to do with converts, it’s because it’s assumed that white, Christian, European families aren’t having enough kids to keep up with those nasty dark foreigners* who breed like rabbits.
*I know that there are plenty of white European Muslims, but let’s face it, those aren’t the people that racists are worried about. Or even acknowledge.
raven
May 29, 2012 at 11:05 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Well OK, I’ll give it a try.
1. America was settled by Theocrats who wanted the god given right to persecute those of other xian sects. The high point of the Puritan theocracy was the hanging of 25 witches at Salem, Massachusetts and the murders of several Quakers and Unitarians.
It’s very biblically correct. Apostates, heretics, and witches are to be killed according to the magic book.
2. Half of the US had a slave based economy, the South. That is also very biblically correct. Slavery is found all through the bible and never condemned or prohibited. God himself, in his jesus form, even gives instructions on how to beat your slaves.
3. Women didn’t get the right to vote until the 20th century. Misogyny is also all through the bible where women are property and punished for adultery or being a nonvirgin bride by death.
4. Rather inconveniently, America had previously been settled by
CanaanitesIndians. We just slaughtered them and took their land. God invented genocide for the Big Boat massacre and much of the OT bible is the story of his chosen people genociding the Canaanites and stealing their land, women, and stuff.Religious persecution, murder, misogyny, genocide, and slavery, how much more evidence of “Judeo-Xian” principles do you need anyway?
Who Knows?
May 29, 2012 at 11:05 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
He didn’t come right out and call Islam, Satan He sure did get close.
dingojack
May 29, 2012 at 11:05 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
So Joyner;
a) any evidence that “[America is] unquestionably founded on Judeo-Christian Principles”?
b) Give 6 examples of exclusively Judeo-Christian Principles, and show how these principles are clearly and exclusively founding principles of the US.
c) Is this ‘dark Europe’ the same as the one that beats America consistently on metrics such as standard of living, level of happiness, life expectancy, lower crime rates and etc. ?
d) How will the European Muslim Population rise from 2.3% to majority in such as short time? Such a growth rate would be over 6.35% per annum, a doubling time of little over 10.25 years, how will this occur?
Dingo
Area Man
May 29, 2012 at 11:09 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Well, except for the ones who actually know what they’re talking about.
raven
May 29, 2012 at 11:11 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
As others have pointed out, the bible says nothing about democracy whatsover.
1. In several places, it says to obey the rulers because they are rulers because god is in charge and made them so. This was used for two millennia to justify The Divine Right of Kings.
2. It also says to pay your taxes, in at least two places, and one of those was by god/jesus (render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars). The christofascists never seem to have read this one.
3. It does mention communism. Approvingly, as it turns out. The early xians practiced communism as stated, IIRC, in Acts.
daved
May 29, 2012 at 11:21 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
How does Rick Joyner figure into all this? The nutball quotation, as best I can tell by following the link, is from our favorite wingnut General, Jerry “My God is Bigger than Your God” Boykin.
KG
May 29, 2012 at 11:23 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Didn’t you know? Muslims can reproduce by fission, like amoebae! You won’t catch them at it, of course, because they only do it inside mosques.
/wingnut
naturalcynic
May 29, 2012 at 11:25 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
@ raven #8:
Don’t forget the Baptists being oppressed too. That should impress quite a few about having the wrong theocrats in charge.
StevoR
May 29, 2012 at 11:35 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
I thougt Africa was traditionally supposed to be the “Dark continent” – and, I guess, geologically speaking it is merging with Europe! ;-)
StevoR
May 29, 2012 at 11:38 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
So Torricelli made teh Satan?
Or did teh Debbil always exist inouter space everywhere? Everywhere there’s no planetary surface or atmosphere or star or nebula?
We are taking this literally right?
StevoR
May 29, 2012 at 11:39 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Also explains why I hate vaccuuming so much and why the machine always sounds like the howling of the dammned.
raven
May 29, 2012 at 11:40 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
@15
Sure, Baptists were persecuted too. Roger Williams founded Rhode Island to get away from the Puritans and their religious intolerance in Massachusetts.
Glenn E Ross AKA HeartlessB
May 29, 2012 at 11:42 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Every time I see some version of the US being founded as a Christian nation I wonder if that were the case why didn’t the founders explicitly write that? If it was that important than why be vague?
roggg
May 29, 2012 at 11:47 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
He didn’t specify which type of experts did he? I’m sure all the experts on xenophobic misinformation agree on this point.
jaime
May 29, 2012 at 12:27 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
“they act like it’s a given and use it as justification of christian privilige”
Exactly. Something many Christians aren’t even conscious of. There really are a lot of correlations between this and Racism.
puppygod
May 29, 2012 at 12:54 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
And to put a little more context, Islam is trying to convert Europe at least since 13th century.
macallan
May 29, 2012 at 2:06 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
More like the 8th century.
laurentweppe
May 29, 2012 at 2:24 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
You don’t get it: “Europe will be islamized” is the new coded word for “Oh NO, the proles are Outbreeding Us“.
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Tell that to the Bosnians who were raped wile their families were slaughtered while the far-right from Western Europe cheered. The limpieza de sangre is still the unoficial world view of european racists: if you’re white and Muslim, they’ll assume that you have an arabic or a turkish ancestor and you’ll be fair game in their eyes.
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Make that the 8th century: that’s when the Iberian peninsula was conquered.
frog
May 29, 2012 at 3:17 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
laurentweppe@25:
Yes, but those are European racists. I’m sure the vast majority of American muslim-haters have no idea where Bosnia is, if they’ve even heard of it.
American racists have a much simpler world-view that doesn’t involve knowing anything about geography or history.
Gwynnyd
May 29, 2012 at 3:26 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
You are all way, way underestimating the way that TrueChristians™ calculate Judeo-Christian influences. I have been seriously assured by a minister with a PhD after his name that the reason we have a trial by jury is because those ignorant heathen medieval folks read their Bible and were so impressed by the way the Sanhedrin worked, which is just like what we have now in the Good Old USA, that they copied it! So there! Can’t get much more Bible influenced than that!
raven
May 29, 2012 at 4:27 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
The Sanhedrin were the group that condemned god/jesus to death for being a heretic or rabble rouser or something. At any rate, whatever it was, it would not be a death penalty offense today.
According to xian mythology, the Sanhedrin were responsible for having an innocent perfect being who merely looked human while being god, executed. Oops, wasn’t their best decision.
Probably he would end up in a mental hospital these days instead. There are lots of “jesuses” in those places. You have to keep them separated otherwise, they start arguing among themselves.
The Sanhedrin weren’t a jury. They were a panel of judges, a tribunal. There was no jury. There were also no lawyers.
pa747sp
May 29, 2012 at 8:17 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
Wasn’t the US founded by indigenous people?
dan4
May 29, 2012 at 9:03 pm (UTC -4) Link to this comment
As others have already mentioned, the quote isn’t from Joyner but from Billy Boykin. It’s kind of a silly error to make, considering that your own link gets the speaker of this blather right.
sosw
May 30, 2012 at 3:33 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
You may want to purchase a new map, it appears you’ve spilled coffee on the one you’re using.
At the EU level, freedom of religion is guaranteed. Individual countries, including those that have a “state religion” have freedom of religion, most have had it for a long time before EU. Becoming Islamic would require a huge revolution in every country. This is why the paranoia of “creeping Islam” is so ridiculous.
If he merely means Islamic majority, this is equally ridiculous looking at demographics as pointed out in several comments.
The vast majority of those people who now reject (or, most commonly, are apathetic toward or nominal followers of) Christianity aren’t going to embrace Islam instead.
In many ways it would be a smaller leap for current Christian fundamentalists to convert to Islam, but there the in-group/out-group dynamics are likely to keep that barrier pretty high.
dingojack
May 30, 2012 at 3:57 am (UTC -4) Link to this comment
And, of course, the invasion of the Iberian penisula lead to forced conversions, courts authourised to use whatever means to get false confessions and mass expulsions of non-believers …
Oh wait, sorry, that wasn’t the brown muslim invasion, that was the reconquest by white European christians, silly me.
But, but – white, European christians are so much better than those terrible muslims – well we are, ’cause I said so, and god thinks so too, so shut up – that’s why! [/fundie 'logic']
Dingo