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May 02 2012

Harvey: Gay Teachers Turn Kids Gay!

Linda Harvey, who truly is one of the most unhinged bigots in the Christian right, is now throwing a fit because the Ohio Education Association has a caucus of gay teachers within it. Because if they have a gay teacher, that means kids will become gay.

Harvey: The [Ohio Education Association] has endorsed and officially recognized a caucus of the union called the GLBT Caucus, which stands for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender. Let me translate, this means that among the teachers who are representatives to this teacher professional group, there’s a subgroup of openly homosexual, bisexual and either transvestite or gender-changed teachers who are proud enough of all this that they’ve formed their own group. Are all your red flags on high alert at this point as mine are? Do you sense danger to our kids? Not to mention one sad lie upon another?

Well, take this piece of information and add the following, the same GLBT Caucus in this latest proposal are to have a representative sit on all the committees on the Ohio Education Association and one of the reasons they will serve on these committees is to ‘advance GLBT students’ constitutional rights.’

Sometimes it’s hard to cut through the layers of deception but here’s my take on all this: certain teachers who are open and proud homosexuals, bisexuals, or are confused about their God-given gender, are simply because of their involvement in sinful, God-dishonoring behavior, being given the opportunity to proudly represent this behavior and make sure students can go down this road also.

Is there even a single example of a gay teacher trying to convince a kid to become gay? There are lots of examples of Christian teachers — and principles, and superintendents, and coaches, and school boards — trying to convince kids to become Christian, in violation of the constitution. Maybe we should do away with Christian teachers, eh?

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  1. 1
    regexp

    Wish a teacher convinced me to be gay – I would of come up 2 to 3 years earlier.

  2. 2
    jeffwattrick

    “Whatever else it is, homosexuality is not a contagious disease like the measles. Prevailing scientific opinion is that an individual’s sexuality is determined at a very early age and that a child’s teachers do not really influence this.” — Ronald Reagan in 1978.

  3. 3
    Gregory in Seattle

    According to Harvey and her ilk, human sexuality is based on a “last seen” template. So it must follow that gay teachers are fine, as long as the senior class is taught only by hetersexuals who will turn everyone straight again.

    Or something.

  4. 4
    imrryr

    Are all your red flags on high alert at this point as mine are?

    Oh, Linda. I do love it when you talk dirty.

  5. 5
    dingojack

    … certain teachers who … are confused about their God-given gender, are simply because of their involvement in sinful, God-dishonoring behavior …

    Klinefelter’s Syndrome, Turner’s Sydrome, Androgen Intolenance Syndrome.
    Didn’t your petulant, vindictive, idiot child-god create these too along with the rest of the universe, Linda? Or perhaps your god is more impotent than you’ve been lead to believe?

    Dingo

  6. 6
    Taz

    It’s not just about turning kids gay, it’s about violating god’s will that kids who are gay feel ashamed and outcast.

  7. 7
    Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

    Don’t worry, that means straight teachers will turn all the kids straight.

    Wait a second…

  8. 8
    dingojack

    Linda didn’t pay attention in biology classes or english classes.
    Are all your red flags on high alert at this point as mine are?

    ‘Flags’ are inanimate objects, they can’t be ‘on high alert’ because inanimate objects don’t have states of mind.

    Dingo

  9. 9
    MikeMa

    Harvey’s ignorant and lying message will only serve to reinforce that false perception for her doofus listeners. The best, and maybe the only, way to convince the haters is to have them meet gay people they already know and respect. It is a long, slow and often painful process for the emerging gay community but nothing else seems to work.

    Christian love? Nope.
    Constitutional fairness? Not a chance.
    Historically wrong (Loving v VA)? Not the same.
    My kid is gay? Well…

  10. 10
    Matrim

    There are lots of examples of Christian teachers — and principles, and superintendents, and coaches, and school boards — trying to convince kids to become Christian, in violation of the constitution.

    That, of course, is exactly the point. These people knowingly (and, in their opinion, rightly) seek to convert people (childred included) and have no problem abusing authority or denying others access to do so. Of course, they assume that everyone else is also trying to do the exact same thing for their “pet issue.” It’s a case of “thieves being the most careful with their wallets.” So when they see homosexuals or atheists or Muslims or any other demographic they hate organizing, they automatically assume that these groups are going to do the exact same thing.

  11. 11
    d cwilson

    who truly is one of the most unhinged bigots in the Christian right,

    Which is amazing considering how fierce the competition is.

  12. 12
    a3kr0n

    Boulderdash! That would mean knowledgeable teachers can convince kids to become knowledgeable, and I know that ain’t so by all the wingnuts in this country.

  13. 13
    plutosdad

    @12 a3kron, they didn’t have knowledgeable teachers. My fiance grew up in Texas, and it’s amazing what she never learned about history or science or geology, that we learned (even in my Catholic gradeschool up North).

    Instead she learned how to recognize brands (in case they found a stray cow, which may at least be useful), but other things like the types of barbed wire? Those things took precedence over learning how old the earth is. Or history outside of the valiant effort of the Confederacy to beat back Northern aggression. Or that there are non Southern Baptists out there somewhere.

  14. 14
    Aliasalpha

    Wow, they never had Gay as a subject when I was at school, I feel like I missed out! Good to know the people teaching it are apparently very effective (I’m sure they have verifiable evidence to back this up)

  15. 15
    abb3w

    @7, Zinc Avenger:

    Don’t worry, that means straight teachers will turn all the kids straight.

    The problem is that wingnuts don’t want their kids to be straight, either. They want the children and young adults to remain utterly asexual until after they get married — and then being sexual is only for trying to have more children, not for fun.

  16. 16
    Michael Heath

    Ed asks [rhetorically]:

    Is there even a single example of a gay teacher trying to convince a kid to become gay?

    I assume there’s instances of either proselytization or advances made by gay teachers. Gay teachers are of course human and a large enough population that we should expect to observe human foilbles. However I would also predict that since gays are a discriminated minority their rate of misbehavior is less than that of teachers overall. My assumption here is that the exercise and protection of their rights still remains emergent and incomplete, which therefore has them valuing their rights far more than the overall population which takes certain rights for granted.

  17. 17
    Michael Heath

    abb3w:

    They [wingnuts] want the children and young adults to remain utterly asexual until after they get married — and then being sexual is only for trying to have more children, not for fun.
    [emphasis added - MH]

    This is not a defining attribute of conservative Christians. Many denominations teach that sex is a gift from God to be enjoyed, within a monogamous marriage of course. This was a 1970s reaction to the sexual revolution when conservative Christian adultery was rampant.

    Marabel Morgan’s 1973 book, The Total Woman, was the best exemplar and powerful influence within evangelicism. Ms. Morgan promoted both sex for pleasure and continued female submissiveness to one’s husband. An arguable underlying assumption was that women didn’t like sex – but could like it, men did, and women should leverage sex to keep their husband faithful.

  18. 18
    dingojack

    a3kr0n – “Boulderdash!”
    I’m assuming that’s bullshit, Colorado* style.

    :) Dingo
    —–
    * or Montana, Utah or Wyoming (possibly Nevada, California or Wisconsin)

  19. 19
    dingojack

    Michael – “This was a 1970s reaction to the sexual revolution when conservative Christian adultery was rampant”.

    As opposed (or ‘apposed’) to now when such behaviour is positively subdued?

    Dingo

  20. 20
    Jeremy Shaffer

    Harvey’s unhinged but let’s not be too hasty is discounting her core arguement. After all, when I was in high school I took a Driver’s Ed class that taught us all about car accidents and since then I’ve been in a car accident. At first I just dismissed it as a fluke, no connection at all, but at my high school reunion I found out that others that had also taken the class had had car accidents since then as well. What’s more, the instructor of that class has also been in car accidents prior to teaching the course. Maybe Harvey’s onto something here.

    Or maybe it’s just that, as with auto accidents, some people being homosexual is something that will simply happen regardless of the expereinces or direction of their educator’s lives. After all, pretty much all of my teachers were theists and yet I am now an atheist.

  21. 21
    Taz

    Michael Heath -

    I assume there’s instances of either proselytization or advances made by gay teachers.

    Advances certainly, and they should be dealt with in the exact same manner as advances by heterosexual teachers. But proselytization? As in “I’m not interested in you sexually but I want you to become gay?” Seems pretty far-fetched.

  22. 22
    Johnny Vector

    Are all your red flags on high alert at this point as mine are? Do you sense danger to our kids? Not to mention one sad lie upon another?

    Nope. Nope. And LOLWUT??

  23. 23
    cptdoom

    “Whatever else it is, homosexuality is not a contagious disease like the measles. Prevailing scientific opinion is that an individual’s sexuality is determined at a very early age and that a child’s teachers do not really influence this.” — Ronald Reagan in 1978.

    And to paraphrase Harvey Milk during the same fight against Proposition 6 in CA, if students grew up to be like their teachers, we’d have a hell of a lot more nuns around.

  24. 24
    greg1466

    Well, at least she got the “Not to mention one sad lie upon another” part right. Now if only she realized she got it right about her own article.

  25. 25
    kermit.

    abb3w: They want the children and young adults to remain utterly asexual until after they get married — and then being sexual is only for trying to have more children, not for fun.

    Not really. Fundy males frequently take pride in the manliness of their sons. This is expressed in manly behaviors like rodeo, shooting guns, identification with sports teams (especially American football, the manliest of sports), joining the Marines, but especially by their interest in girls (not women, who are girls grown too old to be enticing anymore).

    Yes, male Fundy sexiness requires that the lad be stimulated by all girls, chaste or not; also all effeminate boys, and pretty much anything alive or shaped to be useful as a sex toy. Sex is a display of power and dominance for these folks, so in the military and prison environments we frequently hear young men who joke about having sex with the other guys (the active role, not a passive, receiving role) and sometimes not joking. Raping males is not an indication of bisexuality, but rather male dominance, and so in some perverse way affirms their manhood.

    The daughters, of course, are expected to be passive and chaste (which sets them up to be victims, BTW).

    Sitting in Youth Group in the Southern Baptist church I grew up in, I heard the counselor (the minister’s son-in-law) tell us that “I would go as far as a girl would let me, but I couldn’t marry her afterward because she wouldn’t be pure”. That seemed like such an opposite approach from a Real Man® that I walked out. Real men, I had been taught, didn’t cheat by rigging the game; they took responsibilities for their actions; they protected women, not abused them; they applied the Law (or other values) equally to everybody; they didn’t bully the weak.

    Old School (Clint Eastwood!) values that I learned from the best generation actually segued pretty smoothly into feminism and secularism; it was always the barbarians in that church I had trouble with.

  26. 26
    slc1

    OT but is Mr. Brayton planning to comment on the Ric Grenell brouhaha?

  27. 27
    slc1

    Re Kermit @ #25

    Clint Eastwood values. Bad example as, apparently, Mr. Eastwood supports same sex marriage and is pro-choice.

  28. 28
    timgueguen

    Funny, I had two high school teachers that might have been gay. Yet here I am, 30 years later, straight. Perhaps I was immune to their powerful Gay-o-rays.

  29. 29
    Michael Heath

    Me earlier:

    “This [promotion of sex for pleasure within monogamous evangelical Christian marriages] was a 1970s reaction to the sexual revolution when conservative Christian adultery was rampant”.

    Dingojack responds:

    As opposed (or ‘apposed’) to now when such behaviour is positively subdued?

    I don’t know the current rate of adultery for conservative Christians or the general population relative to the 1970s or whether one group’s rate is currently disproportionate to the other. I was instead referring to the relatively lower rate of adultery prior to the sexual revolution which changed dramatically in the 1960s and 1970s, which was coupled to more divorces and women gaining more autonomy. So I was looking at the early 1970s while referencing the paradigm shift occurring at that time.

    In America the initial reaction by conservative Christians to this revolution and the hippies was complete rejection. But by the early 1970s, even evangelicals had adopted behaviors they’d stridently opposed just a few short years earlier – long hair, dressing like peacocks, and music influenced by folk, rock, and pop. I was a young teen and was amazed at all the marital cheating going around within my faith community with the exception of the pastor. Though not his young replacement who eventually lost his family when he was caught abusing other women at a parish he moved to after serving in the one were I was raised.

  30. 30
    WMDKitty -- Survivor

    Yanno, I don’t recall ever being concerned with my teachers’ personal lives. Ever. Except for the one who got married, but that’s because she changed her name. So, if any of them were anything other than straight, I never knew. And I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have cared, anyway.

  31. 31
    dingojack

    Michael – Although I was thinking of the fundie leadership more than the rank and file, I suspect that adultery (like pre-marital sex) was going on before at much the same level as it is now (people will always do foolish things), it just wasn’t talked about openly.
    Naturally, we can’t really prove or disprove my assumption, it’s just a gut-feeling.
    Dingo
    —–
    PS: I’m sorry if it appeared that I being snippy, I didn’t mean it to sound quite as rude as it seems on the screen. My distain was for the hypocritical fundie leadership, not you.

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