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Mar 15 2012

Santorum Tells Lies ‘In His Heart’

One of the bizarre things Rick Santorum has made an issue of is claiming that involuntary euthanasia is so rampant in the Netherlands that the elderly avoid going to hospitals because they’re afraid they’ll be killed. That’s a lie, of course, and when Santorum spokesperson Alice Stewart was asked about it by a Dutch reporter, she babbled like an idiot. Unable to defend those lies, she just kept repeating that Santorum is a “strong pro-life person” and that he believes those lies “in his heart.”

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  1. 1
    doktorzoom

    “It’s NOT a lie if you believe it!”

    George Costanza

  2. 2
    Chiroptera

    Am I the only one who thinks it’s worse to believe in false things despite any and all corrections than it is to deliberately lie despite the truth being easily available?

  3. 3
    Goodbye Enemy Janine

    Wait a second, if a sin is committed in one’s heart, is it not also committed in reality.

    It seems that Santorum-For-Brains is just as sinful as he thinks his opponents are. He really show stop complaining and get right with his god. Such a deceitful wretch should not be allowed to be the head of a wannabe theocracy.

  4. 4
    Area Man

    Santorum gets his information from the paranoid ravings of chain emails. Give him a break.

  5. 5
    davidct

    Americans in general are so ignorant about other countries that they are prone to believe almost anything.

  6. 6
    michaeld

    So I wonder what Santorum’s views on the 9th commandment are?

  7. 7
    Ellie

    Santorum tells lies. But, it’s OK because he’s not homosexual and he doesn’t allow birth control in his house.

  8. 8
    sumdum

    Heh, she doesn’t even address his question. She’s a robot parroting the party line to him. (btw that’s Erik Mouthaan, works for RTL Nieuws as their america corespondent)

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    Bronze Dog

    No, no, no, you don’t get it. It’s not a lie in his heart because, as modern wingnuts learned from their dippy newage postmodernist predecessors, there’s no such thing as truth, it’s just a liberally-biased narrative that has to compete with equally valid narratives like 2+2=5. If there’s no truth, there’s no such thing as a lie.

  10. 10
    abb3w

    …is there any precedent for a foreign country trying to sue an American for libel?

  11. 11
    The Lorax

    It’s not lies, it’s politics.

  12. 12
    joedelaney

    This particular wacky anti-Dutch meme has been floating around in Catholic circles for quite some time. I know one of my more religious relatives made a very similar claim as Santorum back around 2000, and I suspect it’s older than that. Does anybody have any ideas on how to trace the origins of this. Bit ofof bullshit folklore?

  13. 13
    holytape

    Santorum dress up like the pope and then has his wife sodomize him with a broken broom stick while she wears a “Rick Santorum” Halloween mask and he eats the hearts of unborn fetuses. That is what I believe is in my heart, so it must be true.

  14. 14
    plutosdad

    It seems all these candidates lately just repeat the crap they hear in their little echo chambers and truly believe it. It’s “conventional wisdom” or “common sense” or hey everyone I know says this so it must be true.

    That makes them little different from the average American, but you’d hope that people who would be leaders would be a little less credulous, and maybe make a little effort to find out the truth. If he can’t be bothered to find out the truth before making pronouncements while campaigning he sure won’t find out the whole story before making decisions while in office.

    I’d even forgive some of them making statements about their grandparents and where and when they came from. After all they were probably told those stories as they grew up, and maybe remember it wrong. But even in those cases, don’t they have their own version of Alan Cumming to research their family’s past? Especially if they’re going to use it as talking points.

  15. 15
    Deen

    At least now we know, he believes in pro-life, not in truth.

  16. 16
    timberwoof

    plutosdad, Yes, that makes perfect sense. Santorum was merely repeating what his grandparents were saying about the Europe that they left behind. A hundred years ago, Europe was such an astonishingly liberal place that the Anabaptists and others couldn’t stand it any more and had to go to the United States to establish a proper Christian nation here in defiance of all this separation of church and state, liberalism, and “forced euthanasia” that was going on in Yerp at the time.

    We must keep in mind the strong rebuke that Stephen Colbert made against reporters of this ilk: a reporter’s job is to take notes and publish press releases, not to go asking pesky questions like that!

  17. 17
    LightningRose

    I’d like to see a reporter ask Santorum, if he’s so anti birth control, and anti sex outside of heterosexual marriage, why did he marry a woman who spent several years shacked up with an abortionist?

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    lordshipmayhem

    Chiroptera

    Am I the only one who thinks it’s worse to believe in false things despite any and all corrections than it is to deliberately lie despite the truth being easily available?

    It’s the Christian thing to do.

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    gshelley

    I think “true in his heart” translates as “wants it to be true”

    And why does she keep saying he is pro life from conception to natural death? Unless he actual thinks that execution is a natural death

  20. 20
    fifthdentist

    And I heard they just beat the poor old people to death with their freaky wooden shoes! Damn librul, commie Uropeeins.

  21. 21
    Chiroptera

    gshelley, #19: And why does she keep saying he is pro life from conception to natural death?

    Especially since he sounds just like the conservative fundamentalist Protestants. That would make him just pro-life from conception until birth.

  22. 22
    jeroenmetselaar

    It would be unethical if we sued him, poor man is not right in the head.

  23. 23
    timothyyoung

    Dear Lord in heaven, what goes on the minds of these people just ain’t right. Something gets set up in your head, and regardless of how asinine it might be you erect a truth deflecting shield to protect to desperately protect its existence for as long as the energy reserves hold out. And to them this is a virtuous way to go through life.

  24. 24
    fifthdentist

    New campaign slogan?
    “Rick Santorum: In his heart, he’s not too smart.”

  25. 25
    slc1

    Re LighteningRose @ #17

    What’s even funnier is that the abortionist in question was the obstetrician who delivered her! I must say that both Santorums appear seriously creepy.

  26. 26
    den1s

    Oh yeah!, he’s pro-life from conception to natural death …. uuuh, except for the death penalty of course. Has he mentioned “Obama’s” death panels yet? He certainly works himself up into a frothy mixture every time he opens his mouth.

  27. 27
    Kristjan Wager

    Call me old fashioned, but I think an “answer” to a question should in some way or another relate to the question asked in order for you to be able to claim that you’ve answered the question.

  28. 28
    exdrone

    “But I just got back from Amsterdam, and there’s almost nobody left. The city is a shell. Euthanisation squads are patrolling the street to get the last survivors. I barely got out alive.”

    There, my little gift to the Santorum campaign – a statement for their body of incontrovertible evidence.

  29. 29
    leonardschneider

    I could tell Rick “Puddles” Santorum I believe in my heart that a rabble-rousing Jew who was executed by the Romans a couple thousand years ago was, in all likelihood, the Messiah…

    … But that is a statement of personal faith, not one based in reason or logic. It’s wholly unprovable… Which is why it’s called faith. Staring tangible evidence in the face and refusing to grasp what you’re seeing is either emotional arrogance or intellectual cowardice, or a combination of both.

    Ah well, I doubt Puddles would listen to me in the first place. Most evangelical types can’t stomach a guy who makes jokes at the expense of his own faith to begin with. Like, how did Christianity start? With thirteen guys and a hooker, and the hooker wasn’t even making any money. Shit, that’s not the beginning of a world religion, that’s a Tuesday afternoon in any bar on Polk Street.

    And my Universalist instincts would welcome a religion founded by a bored prostitute and some middle-aged queens. An occurrence like that would cause havoc, much like Jesus’ constant verbal bitch-slapping of the Pharisees caused havoc a couple thousand years ago. Havoc can be a lot of fun.

    (But I’m digressing. Too much coffee. Carry on, everyone.)

  30. 30
    Reginald Selkirk

    RE #27: I agree; she gave an evasion, not an answer.

  31. 31
    alost

    As I understand it, the issue was not so much personal beliefs about euthanasia as it was about Santorum outright misrepresenting how the practice is carried out in the Netherlands. Santorum is of course entitled to view the practice in any which way his heart tells him to, but to say something so false as the elderly are afraid of being killed? That’s inaccurate and saps the dignity out of the choices people in the Netherlands make. Did Santorum’s representative here even address the real outrage over slandering doctors in the Netherlands with outright falsehoods?

  32. 32
    gshelley

    Did Santorum’s representative here even address the real outrage over slandering doctors in the Netherlands with outright falsehoods?

    Sort of. She basically said that Santorum doesn’t care if it is actually true as that isn’t important to him.

  33. 33
    iangould

    When I say Rick Santorum is a racist and a crazed religious fanatic, I believe it in my heart.

  34. 34
    Reginald Selkirk

    Santorum wants to ban pornography
    especially that involving santorum.

  35. 35
    Chiroptera

    Reginald Selkirk, #34:

    I’m not surprised. I mean, he might as well take a stand on that issue; it’s not as if he or anyone else on the Right have anything sensible to say about real issues that affect real people in real life.

  36. 36
    nikkane

    It’d almost be less embarrassing if she had just faked a stroke and shit herself.

  37. 37
    No One

    Kristjan Wager says:

    Call me old fashioned, but I think an “answer” to a question should in some way or another relate to the question asked in order for you to be able to claim that you’ve answered the question.

    It’s the way it’s done now. Answer the question with your talking point.

  38. 38
    kraut

    One thing left to say: Christians are such arseholes…most of them.
    No mitigating circumstances.

    I am so sick and tired of the antics of their political representatives, that I do not listen or watch any American news casts anymore.
    The whole charade can induce sever vomiting and a slow disintegration of necessary brain functions.
    I always have to wonder how those folks manage to breathe and walk at the same time.

    Luckily I live in Canada, and our religidiots know that their fundamentalism does not fly with 90% of the population.

  39. 39
    juhaleinivaara

    Always relevant to politics:

  40. 40
    Markita Lynda—threadrupt

    I wonder if Rick Frothy-feces Santorum believes the same about universal healthcare in Canada — where my parents, one almost eighty and one over ninety, got excellent, compassionate care for their lengthy final illnesses. The evil of this lie is that what they call Death Panels are the discussions you have about how long you’ll be in hospital, when you expect to get out, and what institution will provide further care if necessary, whether you want a Do Not Resuscitate order on a frail elder who will suffer broken ribs for a 2% chance of revival, who will provide in home therapy and personal care, and so on. And it cost not one cent until my dad went into Complex Care residence, when it cost his pension cheques. Cheap at the price.

  41. 41
    M can help you with that.

    Bronze Dog @ 9 –

    I’m convinced that the reason that the right-wingers were so eager to jump on their straw-man version of “post-modern relativism” was that the better post-modernist circles were actually devoted to undermining the bullshit that the right-wingers have started peddling. It’s a result of a poor choice of terminology, mostly; the halfway-decent post-modern crowd seemed, by their (deliberately provocative) use of language, to be talking about some sort of absolute reality, but were ultimately talking more about how people develop conceptual “worlds” that let them feel they’re making sense of the terrifyingly inhuman mess of facts that calls itself “reality”. Applied properly, post-modernist (and post-structuralist, and post-post-structuralist) analysis is useful for understanding the systems of bullshit that we spin for ourselves in order not to go completely bugfuck crazy at how little the universe cares about how we think things should work. With the rhetorical beating against that sort of analysis, the right-wingers have ensured that they’ll have the help of the centrists and progressives in disarming the most easily-available tool for examining from the inside how much bullshit their bullshit is full of. Congratulations for helping them!

    (There are even applications of this to the sciences, since scientists don’t stop being human once they become scientists. Of course, doing so effectively would require a decent exposure to both semiotic theory and contemporary practice in the science(s) involved — but there are at least 20 or 30 of us who are actually willing, and even eager, to do the work required. Even if Anne Fausto-Sterling and Donna Haraway have had to struggle with tailoring the appropriate science/humanities/pop presentation to the appropriate audience, the precedent is there.)

  42. 42
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @36. nikkane says:

    It’d almost be less embarrassing if she had just faked a stroke and shit herself.

    I’d like to see Mr Stinkyfroth the santorum adopt thatechnique himself – during the next republican debate when he’s asked a tough question he can’t answer.

    Are they still haveing those debates? I lost track at the hundreth one.

  43. 43
    Azkyroth Drinked the Grammar Too :)

    Santorum: an object lesson in the dangers of trying to think with a muscle.

  44. 44
    organon

    #9 – “If there’s no truth, there’s no such thing as a lie.”

    Everything they believe is truth, as how could divinely inspired insights be other than true. Lies are the words of those who lack this relationship with that deity. Those of us who are deceived by false idols. Such as science. Reason. Etc. You know, that liberal (insert string of supposed synonyms) stuff. Make no mistake…they believe there is truth and there are lies. Like with so many other things, they just have very different definitions of such words.

  45. 45
    Javier

    Santorum should compare the life expectancy at birth in the US (78.3 years) vs the Netherlands (79.8).

    Then he could point out that not only is the Dutch government performing forced euthanasias but they are also showing the typical public health care inefficiency at it.

  46. 46
    Ace of Sevens

    She can’t change his position, she can’t double down and she can’t say he’s an idiot, so she’s a bit stuck. I’d like to see how Santorum himself would answer this question.

  47. 47
    FlickingYourSwitch

    The thing is, they can say anything about some small little country, because so few know anything about it, let alone enough to know it’s false.

  48. 48
    FlickingYourSwitch

    Oh, and after watching the clip, I have to say this:

    ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION!

  49. 49
    DaveL

    You have to understand that in the language of authoritarian faith, “He believes this in his heart” is not offered as an assurance that it was an honest mistake. It means “This is what is true; your facts notwithstanding.” So in the minds of Santorum’s followers she isn’t being evasive – because to them sheer force of blind belief refutes any contradictory facts.

  50. 50
    Marcus Ranum

    I just saw that Santorum is also going to save us from teh eebil internet pr0n!!!

    Oops. Strategic blunder, Ricky!

  51. 51
    Kilian Hekhuis

    Imho Erik Mouthaan is way too soft on her. Why not just asking “So you’re saying that he thinks it is ok to lie, as long as he’s pampering to his audience?”

    The whole “Holland is a cesspool of evil” meme is of course not created by Santorum, but either started or echoed by Fox News for years now. See e.g. this.

  52. 52
    Ryan

    Oh dear , an excruciatingly painful interview to watch – I couldn’t stop cringing in embarrassment.

  53. 53
    Eoin

    Bear in mind that for some religious people that they are not necessarily deliberately lying when they state things that are, shall we say, at variance with external reality – to take a prime example, if you have been told since childhood that the Bible is inerrant then any so called evidence presented to you, to the contrary must, de facto, be erroneous. You need not even evaluate the evidence, as it must, a priori, be faulty.

    It is a variant of the ad consequentiam fallacy; if X is true then Y will follow, but since I do not like / accept / believe Y then X must be false.

    (e.g. If the Scientific Theory of Evolution is true then God did NOT create all life fully-formed, but the bible clearly states that God DID create life in that manner, therefore the Scientific Theory of Evolution is in error).

    This of course is wishful-thinking at its worst.

    Not that I feel this is likely the case in the clip above; we are just seeing a poor defenceless spokesperson squirming while trying to carry out an impossible task.

  54. 54
    Chiroptera

    eoinkelly, #53: …we are just seeing a poor defenceless spokesperson squirming while trying to carry out an impossible task.

    Heh. Wouldn’t it be nice for once to see these spokespersons tell the truth?

    “Look, we all know he’s crazier’n a bug. But that’s what the American people want. They don’t want anyone sane. When was the last time you saw a candidate run with the slogan, ‘Hey, I’m the sane one’?”

  55. 55
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @ ^ Chiroptera : Wasn’t that Jon Huntsman’s slogan (officially or unofficially) before he dropped out of the race?

    In my heart I know that Barack Obama has his feet up on the table has cracked a beer and is clutching his sides with laughter as he watches this latest showing of the Republican freakshow and heratily aware that he’ll now romp it in for a second term.

    I also know in *my* heart that the republicans have in *their* hearts conceeded the 2012 presidency to Obama already because of the field of hopeless losers they’ve agreed to put up as sacrifical sheep this time round!

    I even know in my heart that in Santorum that is santorum’s heart and Newt’s heart and even Mittens Rmoney Romney’s hearts they know the Republican’s hearts aren’t in their running, they’ll never get to be presidents any of them and therefore that’s why they have no heart for the fight this time! ;-)

  56. 56
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    D’oh! That’s : “.. (Obama is) heartily aware that he’ll now romp it in for a second term.”

    @36. nikkane says:

    It’d almost be less embarrassing if she had just faked a stroke and shit herself.

    On further reflection isn’t that exact tactic pretty much what both Rick Perry & Herman Cain tried – the former in his debate “Oops!” memory lapse and the latter when asked about Libya? ;-)

  57. 57
    MikeMa

    Santorum and the rest of the GOP clown car inhabitants not only lie with bravado but they have taken the “not meant as a factual statement” meme to a whole new level. The idea of “walking back” a public statement is now an almost daily thing. They do it far less because of any respect for the truth but because of public reaction.

    Santorum just walked back his English-only rules for Puerto Rican Statehood. Romney just walked back his anti-Planned Parenthood rhetoric.

    Santorum’s English-only tirade may have been designed to boost his mainland status as he was very unlikely to win there. Romney’s blunder so soon after the Komen debacle is astounding.

    Calling the GOP crazy ride to the nomination a clown car is truly an unwarranted denigration of clowns. These guys can’t get any more ridiculous but they are trying and lowering the political discourse to subterranean levels.

  58. 58
    kacyray

    Illustrating the difference between providing a “response” and providing an “answer”.

  59. 59
    Nick Gotts

    I’m convinced that the reason that the right-wingers were so eager to jump on their straw-man version of “post-modern relativism” was that the better post-modernist circles were actually devoted to undermining the bullshit that the right-wingers have started peddling. It’s a result of a poor choice of terminology, mostly. – M Groesbeck

    Then they should have fucking well chosen better terminology. If you write reams of incomprehensible gobbledegook, consisting largely of references to other incomprehensible gobbledegook, you are morally responsible for the misuses made of it.

    Even if Anne Fausto-Sterling and Donna Haraway have had to struggle with tailoring the appropriate science/humanities/pop presentation to the appropriate audience, the precedent is there.

    I amde the mistake of trying to read Harraway’s Primate Visions once. A germ of an interesting idea, buried in hundreds of pages of relativist tosh.

  60. 60
    Anri

    plutosdad:

    That makes them little different from the average American, but you’d hope that people who would be leaders would be a little less credulous, and maybe make a little effort to find out the truth. If he can’t be bothered to find out the truth before making pronouncements while campaigning he sure won’t find out the whole story before making decisions while in office.

    The thing is, in conservative US politics, being divorced from reality isn’t considered a bug, but a feature. And the higher one is in the power structure, the further from reality one can afford to be – kind of like Imperial Chinese officials growing their fingernails to demonstrate they didn’t even have to dress themselves.
    Whoever shows he can insulate himself in alternating layers of gawd, money and sycophants best – wins!

  61. 61
    shallit

    What we need is a reporter courageous enough not to say “Thank you” and shake her hand but ask, “Why are you lying?”

  62. 62
    M can help you with that.

    KG @ 59 –

    “If quantum mechanics had anything useful to say, they should have explained the details in plain English instead of using all those weird symbols. If it’s not clearly comprehensible to anyone who passed general-ed science, then it’s the physicists’ fault when people like Deepak Chopra use ‘quantum’ vocabulary to cover up their crap.”

  63. 63
    abb3w

    This respondent never offered a substantive reason for her belief in the link. Rather, she distances herself from factual reasoning altogether by grounding her justification in subjectivism — “we still can have our opinions.”

    These respondents understand the challenge evidence and continue to believe in the link, even when faced with this lack of confirming evidence. However, they do not offer reasons for a continuing belief in such a link. We suggest that this sort of reasoning method, offering no substantive reason for believing in something other than personal opinion, is more common than most members of a democracy would generally care to admit (Billig 1989; Garfinkel 1967; Gilbert and Mulkay 1984; Pollner 1974; see also Shi-xu 2000).

    - (doi:10.1111/j.1475-682X.2009.00280.x)

    Scary that it’s not merely more common than we’d like, but that displaying it is not a significant political liability.

  64. 64
    ambulocetacean

    The reporter did a poor job there. Why did he keep saying that Santorum was “using the wrong figures”?

    There is only one figure pertaining to involuntary euthanasia in the Netherlands, and that figure is 0.

    He should have just kep hammering “There is no involuntary euthanasia in the Netherland.”

    But that PR woman — yeesh, what a slimeball.

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