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Mar 08 2012

Joyner Admits Affinity With Muslim Fanatics

Those of us who are critical of the Christian right in America often note how their views are remarkably similar on many subjects to the reactionary Muslims that they otherwise condemn, especially when it comes to sexual freedom, gay rights and women’s rights. Now Christian right leader Rick Joyner pretty much admits that in a video posted by Right Wing Watch:

I had an experience a few years ago when I was asked to be a delegate at the World Public Forum on Civilizations and Religions and it had the top Mullahs and Imams from every Islamic country … and I spent all the time I could trying to understand … and I wanted to hear their perspective; why did they hate America so much?

They had no clue that there was such a thing as Christians in America that didn’t like pornography. They saw what was coming out of Hollywood as American Christianity … And I did apologize – I understand our Republican candidates all saying “I’ll never apologize for America,” well, I did apologize for America and I won’t apologize for doing that!

I apologized for the filth and perversion coming out of Hollywood that I believe is spiritually and morally polluting multitudes all over the earth. This is one of the main reasons why Islam hates us so bad. They say “you put ‘In God We Trust’ on your money; look at this filth and perversion you’re sending all over the world.”

You know what? They hate this thing that has them in bondage and they see perverting their own people and they feel that there is nothing they can do but kill us. We’ve become too perverted. They think America’s a homosexual nation, lead, ruled by homosexuals and that this perversion has gone too far, there’s nothing to do but destroy America and Americans. That’s why they think it’s their duty to kill Americans.

They were shocked; they had never heard of Evangelical Christianity, Christians that didn’t like this stuff either. But I did apologize to them. I told them I was sorry for what is coming out and I’m sorry that I haven’t been the salt that was salty enough or the light that was bright enough to keep that darkness from rising in our country the way it has.

The authoritarian and repressive ideology is the same; only the tactics differ (sometimes).

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  1. 1
    kenbo

    Does it bother anyone else that these two sides are beginning to find common ground? Or is it just me?

    Kenbo

  2. 2
    DaveL

    They had no clue that there was such a thing as Christians in America that didn’t like pornography… They hate this thing that has them in bondage and they see perverting their own people and they feel that there is nothing they can do but kill us.

    I did not know that Hollywood was producing porn featuring some of the world’s top imams and mullahs in bondage. The world, it seems, is a far stranger place than even I had ever imagined.

  3. 3
    brucecoppola

    I remember a long-ago column by Pat Buchanan (then carried in the Repub/conservative Detroit News) where he expressed grudging admiration and understanding of extemist Muslims for the same reasons; along the lines of “they recognize the threat [of modernity] too and are willing to fight”.

    BTW, if you want some choice right wing asshattery, go to the Detroit News website and read the columns by their current editor, Nolan Finley.

  4. 4
    raven

    How long until the xian fundies copy the Moslem fundies and send out suicide bombers to blow up biology buildings, planned parenthood centers, and X rated movie theaters? Not to mention car bombs.

    Probably won’t happen but it could. Xian terrorism has been a problem in the USA for decades and planned parenthood centers are frequent targets for arson and bombings. During the Bush catastrophe, seems like one a month was getting destroyed.

  5. 5
    raven

    BTW, Rick Joynter claims to be a New Apostle. New Apostles have superpowers given to them by god. We know this because they tell us themselves.

    Doesn’t look like his superpowers work very well if he has to admire the Moslem extremists whose superpowers always seem to involve bullets, explosives, and piles of random dead people.

    Whatever. I guess from the Invisible Sky Fairy, you get Invisible Magic Superpowers.

  6. 6
    timothyyoung

    I’ve always felt that the left should not be so naive about gun ownership.

  7. 7
    slc1

    I’m sure that Joyner really envies the Ayatollahs in Iran who are in a position to impose their ukases on the population.

  8. 8
    Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

    ZOMG he apologized for Merica! He’s ashamed of our great nation! Why don’t you go back to Russia, you freedom hater!

  9. 9
    Chiroptera

    Rick Joyner advocates appeasement?

  10. 10
    Chiroptera

    They think America’s a homosexual nation, lead, ruled by homosexuals and that this perversion has gone too far, there’s nothing to do but destroy America and Americans.

    Does anyone else remember when they were saying it was the Jews?

  11. 11
    Bronze Dog

    Pretty much unsurprised, here. Nearly everything wingnuts do these days is out of both fear and love of fundamentalist Islam. They want to bloat the government so that we can’t do anything in our bedrooms or see anything on TV or the internet that might offend our terrorist overlords. They’re afraid of people who stand up for free speech and sexual freedoms because we aren’t caving into terrorist influence.

  12. 12
    Modusoperandi

    I apologized for the filth and perversion coming out of Hollywood that I believe is spiritually and morally polluting multitudes all over the earth.

    Hold on. How can he call himself “an American”? He clearly hates the Free Market!

  13. 13
    sailor1031

    “They think America’s a homosexual nation, lead, ruled by homosexuals and that this perversion has gone too far, there’s nothing to do but destroy America and Americans.

    Does anyone else remember when they were saying it was the Jews?”

    Yep; I can remember that – not so long ago. But he’s wrong now; we’re led by a muslim and a bunch of uppity women now; any fule kno that!

  14. 14
    jba55

    “I’m sorry that I haven’t been the salt that was salty enough”

    I’m probably missing the reference here, but what does this mean? I’m guessing it has something to do with “the salt of the earth” but that’s just because it’s the only thing other than pillars of salt I can think of.

    Also, I have a problem with individual citizens apologizing for a country. Not because I think America is flawless (ha!), but because I don’t think it’s our place. We (or me at least, can’t speak for others) don’t really make the decision to do the things that need to be apologized for, like say the various wars being fought at the moment. I didn’t want it, I didn’t vote for anyone who supported it, I would stop it if I could, it’s not my fault it’s happening. They’re horrible things, but I can’t speak for the nation so why should I personally apologize for it? Maybe I’m missing something, but it seems too much like apologizing for my LDS father doing baptisms for the dead.

  15. 15
    sailor1031

    “Hold on. How can he call himself “an American”? He clearly hates the Free Market!”

    Yep – someone’s buying all that filth and porn in those muslim countries. Wasn’t it Pakistan that was recently named as number one country in the world for people watching pigporn videos?

  16. 16
    duck1887

    Actually the ironies go farther still. Because I basically agree that a lot of Hollywood, and American pop culture generally, is vile. I too feel like apologizing to the world, and not just for torture porn like the Saw franchise and stupid sex comedies. If all somebody knows about America is that stuff, or American Idol, I too would hasten to enlighten them that some of us deplore it too.

    On the other hand, I found both of these films to be perfectly charming, each of which would make Joyner’s and the mullahs’ heads explode: the first features a sympathetic murdering monster and the second a teenager who is just as graphically horny as any in a Hollywood film. But as I say these films were both sweet and charming where Hollywood is crude and stupid, and Joyner and his Islamic counterparts are incapable of making that distinction. (I should admit here that the first one just had a very faithful American remake, so there’s that.)

    Plus, the movie I am most looking forward to seeing is an Iranian film (!), recently honored publicly on an American awards show. So go figure.

  17. 17
    raven

    They were shocked; they had never heard of Evangelical Christianity, Christians that didn’t like this stuff either.

    For good reasons. They more or less don’t exist. The number 1 consumer per capita of porn is the Mormon Theocracy of Utah. I’m sure fundies just use porn to meet their quota of hypocrisy.

    I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if many or most of these Mullahs and New Apostles are avid consumers of porn themselves. Ask Ted Haggard how that works.

    I apologized for the filth and perversion coming out of Hollywood that I believe is spiritually and morally polluting multitudes all over the earth.

    Well really, if those multitudes don’t want to watch porn, they could just…not watch it. It’s not like they are being forced to.

  18. 18
    Raging Bee

    Those Muslim clerics pandered to this guy’s bigotry with great skill, and told him exactly what he wanted to hear, and now he’s in their pockets. If this Christofascist-Islamofascist alliance ever materializes, the Islamofascists will be the ones in charge every step of the way. (The fact that this guy didn’t say ONE WORD about persecution of Christians by Muslims is further proof of that.)

  19. 19
    Raging Bee

    Also, notice we’re now seeing ads for ridiculously modest swimwear?

  20. 20
    Bronze Dog

    Actually the ironies go farther still. Because I basically agree that a lot of Hollywood, and American pop culture generally, is vile. I too feel like apologizing to the world, and not just for torture porn like the Saw franchise and stupid sex comedies.

    I’m tempted to reverse a play from the fundie handbook and blame Saw on the religious right corrupting Hollywood, trying to glorify torture as a normal, healthy part of society. Basing this assertion on my having never watched any of the series would be appropriate.

  21. 21
    Modusoperandi

    It’s been a while, but the first Saw movie isn’t what the sequels were.

  22. 22
    typecaster

    I’m probably missing the reference here, but what does this mean? – jba55

    Well, you have to stay up on what the Babble reports Yeshua as telling his followers. In this case, it’s from Matthew, 5:13 I think, and goes like this:

    “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.”

    For all of you who have a different mental image of what “Salty goodness” means, I apologize.

  23. 23
    duck1887

    I’ve never actually seen any of the Saw films either, but in torture porn generally, I assume the torturer is the bad guy, so literally at least it’s false to say that these films are showing it to be “healthy”. But I understand Bronze Dog’s temptation to “blame” such things on the religious right, who do seem to be pro-torture (in the “appropriate” circumstances of course), and indeed take perverse pleasure in the idea. A bit of a stretch though to blame bad cinema on them …

  24. 24
    Chiroptera

    typecaster, #22:

    Oh. I thought it was a reference to Chef’s Chocolate Salty Balls.

  25. 25
    jba55

    “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again?”

    Uh-huh. That’s even less coherent than average, which is pretty amusing considering the source material.

    As for Saw I’ve also only seen the first, which wasn’t too bad as far as ultra-violent horror movies go, but from what I’ve gathered the later films cast Jigsaw (the torturer) as a punisher of evil/vice. I don’t think it’s ever claimed to be a morally good thing, but I bet it could be turned into one by someone with a bit of dedication.

  26. 26
    typecaster

    I thought it was a reference to Chef’s Chocolate Salty Balls. – Chiroptera

    Well, it could be. The context isn’t entirely clear.

    That’s even less coherent than average, which is pretty amusing considering the source material. – jba55

    It’s probably one of those cultural-idiom thingies that doesn’t translate real well. That, or he’d done a whole buncha drugs that day. You never actually know one way or the other.

  27. 27
    Deborah

    I’m a survivor of a rather extreme fundie upbringing so his comment made perfect sense to my memory of fundiespeak. Basically he’s saying that he is taking responsibility for America being a filthy evil sinful place personally, because if he had performed the duty given he would have been salt that would have preserved the essential goodness the country was founded with (salt supposedly having been used as a preservative in ancient times, so he’s taking the blame for America being rotted meat instead of beef jerky). It’s an extremely common sermon outline.

    He’s also, if you notice, taking personal responsibility for the entire country. I’m sure he saw it as a humble way of not passing blame, but to an objective ear, it songs quite megalomaniacal.

  28. 28
    Aquaria

    How long until the xian fundies copy the Moslem fundies and send out suicide bombers to blow up biology buildings, planned parenthood centers, and X rated movie theaters? Not to mention car bombs.

    Wait–how is that different from what they’re doing now? Well, save for the suicide bombers part?

  29. 29
    D. C. Sessions

    Shorter: “they hate us for our freedoms and I agree!”

  30. 30
    D. C. Sessions

    Probably won’t happen but it could.

    The only reason it hasn’t happened more (not counting Oklahoma City) is that they currently think “their side” is winning. If wimmin get uppity this November that could change.

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