Wingnut on Wingnut Crime: Howse vs Cameron


Gather round kids, the wingnuts are fighting with each other again. This time it’s the seriously hardcore Brannon Howse of Worldview Weekend taking on the terminally stupid Kirk Cameron over the latter’s new movie Monument, which is basically a David Barton screed put on film. It’s apparently a tour of monuments and buildings in DC that supposedly prove that we were a Christian nation all along and therefore Ray Comfort should be president, or something. Howse begs to differ:

Aside from the “let’s get back to our founding fathers” message that I find objectionable because many of America’s founding fathers were hostile to the gospel, the movie Monumental appears to use as one of its major props The National Monument to the Forefathers, formerly known as thePilgrim Monument. The monument is a major part of the artwork and publicity of the film including in the movie trailer. Kirk refers to this monument in a speech online and holds up a picture of the monument and declares that he and his family are going this way. [Statement is made at the 3:30 mark]

It is my belief based on hours of research that the Monument to the Forefathers is not a Biblically acceptable rallying point or symbol for Christians or Christian families or the way we should go for several reasons. One major reason would be that historical documents report that the monument had its cornerstone laid by Freemasons who were involved in part in funding and erecting this monument. The historical record also reveals that the cornerstone includes a plaque with the name and title of the Grand Master of the Lodge of Freemasons of Massachusetts. The historical record also reports that members of the Pilgrim Society that assisted in establishing and paying for the monument included freemasons and funding from freemasonry lodges. Below I have included the speech given by the Mason Grand Master of Massachusetts at the cornerstone ceremony on August 2, 1859…

Let’s be very clear; this statue was built by people that had no convictions about having it erected, funded, and dedicated even in part by men that served Satan. Should Christians now unite around and worship God at this monument? Should Christians invite the church to use this statue as a symbol of spiritual service to God? Should Christians use this statue as a symbol of anything but to reveal man’s vain and futile attempts to mix God or Christianity with paganism?

Yet that is what I believe Christians are doing when they rally around a statue or symbol that has been erected and approved by men that worship Satan as found in the religion of freemasonry…

The very creators of this statue described the statue as pointing to a non-descript “higher power” and “Spirit of Religion” and yet Christians want to assume that a statue that was created and erected by such people and dedicated by men that practice the occult of freemasonry is going to be pleasing to God? The statue faith also has a pentagram or five pointed star on her forehead. As Mason experts, such as Ed Decker have testified, the five pointed star or pentagram hold significant meaning within freemasonry.

John T. Heard, the Grand Master Mason who laid the cornerstone and gave a speech, which is below, stated that the message of the statue was consistent with the worldview of the masons. The statue is filled with Masonic messages and images. Just because the statue contains phrases such as education, morality, or faith does not make it an acceptable symbol for Christians.

Freemasons take part in occult ceremonies such as wearing a blindfold and kneeling before the Grand Master and swearing that they are lost in darkness and need the light of freemasonry to save them. Should Christians unite around and be inspired to serve God through a statue that was in part erected, funded, and dedicated by men that believed that their salvation depended upon the occult of freemasonry and dedicated this statue in their service to Satan? The answer is a resounding no!

Howse used to bring David Barton on his weekly revival meetings around the country, but he’s been criticizing Barton ever since he said that he thinks Glenn Beck is a Christian. This is fun to watch.

Comments

  1. Chiroptera says

    Heh. The sure sign of a true fanatic is when they actively undermine and sabotage the movement because of the minor doctrinal differences of their fellow travelers.

    I suspect that he realizes that his is a minority and relatively powerless position in the overall movement, and if and when the coalition would come to power his group would be one of the ones that would end up being liquidated (as opposed to being one of the liquidators.)

  2. Michael Heath says

    Brannon Howse:

    Let’s be very clear; this statue was built by people [Freemasons] that had no convictions about having it erected, funded, and dedicated even in part by men that served Satan.

    George Washington was a proud Freemason, therefore Mr. Howse is arguing that George Washington was a Satanist. Man I hope this argument flourishes within the conservative Christian movement.

    I finally got around to reading Bob Altemeyer’s The Authoritarians, where I’m about a quarter through it. His research from a couple of decades ago finds that right-wing authoritarians are more prone to attack and eat their own than non-authoritarians are to right-wing authoritarians.

  3. says

    Yet that is what I believe Christians are doing when they rally around a statue or symbol that has been erected and approved by men that worship Satan as found in the religion of freemasonry…

    Hee hee hee hee…

    Religious idiots. It’s like watching a bumfight.

  4. Larry says

    George Washington was a mason

    Not to mention John Adams, Satan’s brewmaster Samuel Adams, Satan’s randy old uncle Benjamin Franklin, and Ol’ Scratch himself, Thomas Jefferson. Along 50 other Satan’s disciples, all signers of the Declaration of Independence.

  5. slc1 says

    Re Larry

    Excuse me, John Adams, although sympathetic to masonry, was not himself a mason. The issue of Thomas Jefferson is not so clear as the files of the masonic temple closest to his estate were destroyed in a fire. The general conclusions of his biographers is that he was not a mason, and in fact, the masons themselves no longer claim him as a member.

  6. says

    Note that Howse states that some of the Founding Fathers were “hostile to the gospel,” which puts him one up on so many of today’s fundies. Of course he promptly negates that with his “Waah, the Masons are gonna get us!” paranoia. I bet Cameron is like most of them and doesn’t have a clue that the Rapture theolgy he and his fellows believe in basically didn’t exist before the early 19th Century.

  7. Michael Heath says

    I see a plot for a movie featuring Rick Santorum and Kirk Cameron as secret lovers. Where they’re not portrayed as hypocrites but instead great patriots who sacrifice their own happiness for love of country, with their only respite being their infrequent get-togethers. Kinda like that movie with Alan Alda who only saw his lover once a year. Newt Gingrich could play a supporting role as another matyr/patriot, sacrificing his own marriages to the American cause. And ya gotta work Ted Haggard in their somewhere as well.

  8. Larry says

    #8 – Arrrgghhh, you are correct, slc1. I need to learn to read my references just a bit better. […slinks away]

  9. Michael Heath says

    timgueguen writes:

    I bet Cameron is like most of them and doesn’t have a clue that the Rapture theolgy he and his fellows believe in basically didn’t exist before the early 19th Century.

    I have yet to encounter Kirk Cameron where he didn’t demonstrate a very determined sort of ignorance and dishonesty – not once, no exceptions, nada. The dishonesty part of his rhetoric is acting as if he’s studied the subjects he expounds upon, where his acting on these matters matches the standard he set when he gets paid to act.

  10. bahrfeldt says

    “Yet that is what I believe Christians are doing when they rally around a statue or symbol that has been erected and approved by men that worship Satan as found in the religion of freemasonry”

    “4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth”.

    Face it, these idol worshippers are all damned. Besides, of course, worshipping the Pope’s Lord’s Day instead of God’s Sabbath.

  11. MikeMa says

    My father and younger brother are masons. Always regarded it as unimportant in their lives so unimportant in mine. Going to have to look into it and find out more.

    Cameron had his head spinning recently regarding his gay-hate puke spewing. His take, of course, is that homosexuality is unnatural and therefore a detriment to society. Ignoring the descriptions of homosexual behavior throughout the natural world, worshiping a sky fairy is perfectly natural.

    Popcorn time.

  12. chilidog99 says

    I wonder if Kirk’s movie showed the bas relief of Mohammed at the SCOTUS Court building.

  13. jimmiraybob says

    So many founding father’s connections with free masonry, which, if Satanic, pretty much wipes out both the Christian and deist arguments. But, right from the git go, I’m going on the record opposing any contention that we were founded to be a Satanic nation.

    Plus notice the love that is given to Catholic, Mormon and Universalist taint as well, also too.

  14. eric says

    For the record: that monument isn’t in DC, it’s in Plymouth, Massachusetts.

    Sounds like they might be deceptively talking about pre-founding puritan policies as if they were founding policies. Been known to happen before. :)

    If Howse opposes stuff with masonic symbolism on it, I hope he doesn’t look too closely at his money.

  15. MikeMa says

    @eric,
    THAT”S why they needed to add the “in god we trust” to the money! Balance out the satanic references. Makes perfect sense now.

  16. howdini says

    So, can we agree that “Hostile to the Gospels” will be the name of our first full-length album?

  17. says

    This seems to be how most wingnut-on-wingnut crimes go down. One person claims Christians, conservatives or whatever group is in question are persecuted and the other tries to claim some sort of privilege.

  18. d cwilson says

    @eric:

    It’s not even a national monument. It’s owned by the People’s Republic of Taxachussetts. I wonder if Kirk knew that before he went there.

  19. Michael Heath says

    Kirk Cameron states while raising a photo of the monument,

    “As for me and my house, we’re going this way.”

    On behalf of Mr. Camerons kids, who I assume have brains of their own,

    “Fuck you Dad for being an autocratic lying dick; speaking for us while not allowing us to have the freedom to decide for ourselves. You’re a child abuser and a particularly insidious one at that. And just because your form of abuse is politically popular in your cult in no way justifies the fact it’s objectively immoral.”

  20. Sastra says

    I always have an extra bit of amusement over claims that Freemasonry is a Satanic cult and the Freemasons are all part of a plot to take over the world. There’s a Freemason Temple ( building?) located in my small Midwestern town, just around the corner from my house. From what I can tell, the average age is about 68 … and they look pretty harmless. To put it mildly. Their biggest activity seems to be having spaghetti suppers.

    Which, of course, only goes to show how truly insidious and evil this plot must be!

  21. dali70 says

    Love this part…
    “Freemasons take part in occult ceremonies such as wearing a blindfold and kneeling before the Grand Master and swearing that they are lost in darkness and need the light of freemasonry to save them.”

    Totally nothing like kneeling before an old guy in a dress while receiving the “blood and flesh” of some cosmic zombie and then poking ones self in the forehead, chest then each shoulder…LOL

    Are these guys really that completely clueless?

  22. says

    Let’s be very clear; this statue was built by people that had no convictions about having it erected, funded, and dedicated even in part by men that served Satan. Should Christians now unite around and worship God at this monument? Should Christians invite the church to use this statue as a symbol of spiritual service to God? Should Christians use this statue as a symbol of anything but to reveal man’s vain and futile attempts to mix God or Christianity with paganism?

    Mixing Christianity with paganism? Someone really should talk to him about his Christmas tree!!

  23. says

    I have yet to encounter Kirk Cameron where he didn’t demonstrate a very determined sort of ignorance and dishonesty – not once, no exceptions, nada.

    One of my favorite Kirk Cameron quotes was when he described his years on Growing Pains. I don’t recall the exact words, but it was basically “I was at my peak and had nowhere else to go.” Meanwhile, the last season of Growing Pains featured a very young Leonardo DiCaprio, who clearly had not yet hit his peak.

  24. says

    I grew up Roman Catholic in a heavily RC area. I was told that Masons were Satan-worshippers who were going to take over the world and destroy the Catholic Church. That’s all I knew about them. In the mid 90s I was named Man of the Year by my local Masosn for my work with the homeless. They invited me to their annual banquet to receive my reward. I thought that if these Spawn of Satan really had the ability to take over the world and destroy the Catholic Church, surely they could summon up a first-class banquet. So I went. The lavish banquet consisted of egg-salad sandwiches, potato chips, and Kool-Aid. Believe me, they are not quite ready to take over anything. My opinion of Satan took a dive that day, too.

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