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Feb 29 2012

Santorum: Too Crazy Even For Republicans

Rick Santorum’s repulsive pandering to stupid voters by bashing colleges as “indoctrination” mills and calling Obama a “snob” for thinking kids should have the opportunity to go to college has even his fellow Republicans crying foul. At the National Governors Association meeting, no one would defend him at all.

Speaking to reporters outside of the White House after a meeting between the nation’s governors and the president, Gov. Bob McDonnell went out of his way to praise the administration’s education policy, calling it one of the few areas of bipartisan consensus. He added that the pursuit of a college education was something that all lawmakers should push students to consider.

“I wish [Santorum] had said it differently,” said the Virginia Republican. “I’m pushing in Virginia this year 100,000 new degrees over the next 15 years. I want more college graduates. But that means community college and four-year universities, but not to the exclusion of realizing that some people are going to graduate from high school and be in the trades. What we say is we want somebody to be career ready or college ready. If we haven’t done one of those two things for the young people, we have failed you.” …

The fact that few, if any, governors have been willing to back this point underscores both its outlandishness and how education policy remains one of the few wellsprings of bipartisanship. McDonnell and Christie may be Romney surrogates — they also may run states with moderate, if not progressive-leaning electorates — but they are hardly the only ones siding with Obama.

“Bob is right,” Gov. Phil Bryant (R-Miss.) told reporters as he stood next to McDonnell, just yards away from the West Wing. Arguing that students who didn’t pursue college degrees shouldn’t be stigmatized, the newly elected Mississippi governor (who hasn’t endorsed Romney) explicitly acknowledged that the president wasn’t doing anything of the sort.

“[I]f a child decides that he does not want to go on to higher education, we should not somehow think he has failed,” said Bryant. “He or she can do a great job contributing to this economy coming out of community college. The president was behind that. I believe today he said he would help with the bully pulpit of encouraging more folks who want to go into that type of training, and I think we should all do that.”

Santorum has only doubled down on his insanity.

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  1. 1
    raven

    The other group who can’t stand him are women.

    Since Santorum started babbling about outlawing birth control and beating up on women, Obama’s approval rating among women has gone up 10%.

    The majority of voters in the USA are women. They elected Bill Clinton twice and Obama once. Obama would not have won without the female vote.

  2. 2
    ScottM

    About damn time. Santorum should have been laughed offstage long ago. That it took so long to finally get some backlash should be an embarrassment.

  3. 3
    d cwilson

    The fact that Santorum has come this close to being the nominee of a major party should be a national embarrassment.

  4. 4
    scienceavenger

    The other group who can’t stand him are women.

    One would think. And yet exit polls suggest that women in Michigan voted for Santorum at the same 38% clip they did for Romney. Boggles the mind, but then, there are gay Republicans as well [shrug].

  5. 5
    raven

    One would think. And yet exit polls suggest that women in Michigan voted for Santorum at the same 38% clip they did for Romney.

    That is Republican women. This was a primary remember.

    It still boggles the mind. I’d think it would get pretty miserable trudging barefoot through the snow during a Michigan winter.

  6. 6
    raven

    President Obama doing well among women, approval rating-wise
    President Barack Obama has the ladies on lock, according to a recent Associated Press-GfK poll. The poll, conducted Feb. 16-20, found that female voters …
    todayonthetrail.today.msnbc.msn.com/_​news/2012/02/29/… – Cached

    New poll shows Obama approval rating gaining with women …

    As the Republican presidential candidates get ready for Super Tuesday, a new poll out shows President Barack Obama is making gains with one key voter group – women …
    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/​regions/americas/united... – Cached

    I based my comments on women and Obama on recent polls.

    It is a mystery why any woman would join the Tea Party War on Women.

  7. 7
    d cwilson

    Gee, women are turned off by the republican agenda of banning access to contraceptives and mandatory transvaginal probes being inserted into their ho-hahs? I can’t imagine why.

  8. 8
    Michael Heath

    raven writes:

    The other group who can’t stand him are women.

    Actually Rick Santorum did pretty well with women in Michigan’s primary yesterday given his anti-female rhetoric. Here’s the exit polls: http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/epolls/mi?hpt=hp_t1

    I did find it ironic that Romney beat Santorum 44%/37% when it come to Catholic voters.

  9. 9
    carlsonjok

    It is a mystery why any woman would join the Tea Party War on Women.

    There is a case to be made that it is a Tea Party War on Obama and women are just collateral damage.

  10. 10
    Modusoperandi

    raven “It is a mystery why any woman would join the Tea Party War on Women.”
    1. Past birthing age.
    2. Haven’t thought it through…
    …for themselves: Are sure it won’t effect them (much like those who back the Ryan budget planning on still having real Medicare when they get old, or those who want the Affordable Care Act repealed but think they’ll still get the bits about saving them money and preexisting conditions anyway).
    …for their family as it is (rather than as they pretend it to be): “My daughter isn’t a slut.”
    …for those around them: They’ve only looked at it through the lens of punishing their hated out-groups, like Blue State hippies and “urban youth” (wink wink).
    3. Some people are simply mean to the point that they’ll willing to cut off their own nose to spite someone else’s face.*

    * And when they get hurt by their own policies, they’ll avoid taking responsibility anyway, take another leap to the authoritarian Right and double down, much like 2001-2008 to 2009-now.

  11. 11
    Michael Heath

    I just read raven’s claim that the MI primary was all Republican women. Only about 60% of yesterday’s primary voters, male and female, were Republicans, about 9% were Democrats and 31% were Indepedent. The split between men/women voters was 52/48.

    So I think the rebuttal stands. Women as a population do not own the attribute of “not standing Santorum”. Or if they do, it’s not enough to motivate a significant proportion of them to not vote for him.

  12. 12
    d cwilson

    Some interesting observations from the polling data link Michael Heath posted:

    The total number of nonwhite (including Black, Latino, Asian, and “Other”) republicans who voted in the MI primary is 8%.

    Nearly half of the republican voters were 45-64 years old, with 73% being 45 years and up.

    Republicans are nearly evenly split between those with with and those without a college degree. Romney won those with a college degree (45%) to Santorum (37%). Santorum, however, had a slight edge among those with no college degree (39%) over Romney (37%). Santorum won those who never attended college (42%). I guess the “snob” comment paid off in some small way.

    Romney easily won among voters with an income over $100,000 while Santorum won those with an income under $100,000. It looks like the richer you are, the more likely you are to vote for Romney. So, I guess Romney really isn’t part of the 99%.

    53% of democrats who voted in the republican primary voted for Santorum. Operation Hilarity in action.

    Santorum won 50% of those who describe themselves as “very conservative”. Romney led among those who describe themselves as “somewhat conservative” (50%) and “Moderate or Liberal” (39%).

    Santorum led with 45% of those who strongly support the tea party AND those who strongly oppose it. Weird.

    Santorum won among Evangelical/born agains (50%) while Romney lead among Catholics (44%). Santorum easily won among those for who the religion of candidates mattered “a great deal” 63%. 77% of those who think abortion is the most important issues voted for Santorum. From this, it looks like Romney still has a “Mormon problem” among Evangelicals while Santorum’s rhetoric is out of step with his fellow Catholics.

  13. 13
    raven

    President Obama doing well among women, approval rating-wiseBy Halimah Abdullah

    Saul Loeb / AFP/Getty Images

    A new poll has found the president, here with Mrs. Obama in Washington in February, is popular among women voters.
    President Barack Obama has the ladies on lock, according to a recent Associated Press-GfK poll.

    The poll, conducted Feb. 16-20, found that female voters are more likely than men to credit the president for the economy’s slow but steady turnaround. Obama’s approval rating among women jumped to 53 percent, up ten percent from just a few months ago, the poll found.

    High-profile political back-and-forth over such social issues as requiring insurance companies to cover contraception for employees of religious institutions may also be helping steer female voters Obama’s way, the poll found. continues

    Here is the polling data. From my links above.

    Obama’s approval rating among women jumped to 53 percent, up ten percent from just a few months ago, the poll found.

    It doesn’t say what the converse is. These polls always have a percentage of don’t know or don’t care.

  14. 14
    raven

    Women make up just over half of the electorate and this critical voting block helped Obama clinch a win over GOP presidential candidate Sen. John McCain in the 2008 elections.

    It was the same for Bill Clinton. There was marked disparity in gender voting patterns, IIRC, an 11% female advantage for Clinton.

  15. 15
    raven

    same poll:

    Women also are the reason behind Obama’s lead over Republican hopefuls Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum: In one-on-one matchups, Obama beats Romney 54 percent to 41 percent and tops Santorum 56 percent to 40 percent among women, but virtually ties each Republican among men. Women are Obama’s to lose: They are more apt to identify with Democrats and give that party higher favorability than are men.

    Still a big gap in gender voting patterns.

    If it wasn’t for the Tea Party War on Women, Obama might well be toast.

    That 56 to 40 for Obama over Santorum is encouraging. But I’m not seeing why it isn’t more like 90 10.

  16. 16
    Larry

    1. Past birthing age.
    2. Haven’t thought it through…

    I have to disagree with #1. Even if they are no longer birthin’ babies, don’t they have daughters, granddaughters, and nieces. Can they be so caught up in Santorum-mania, they can’t even stop to consider the impacts that would fall on them?

    Unfortunately, I think I can guess the answer.

  17. 17
    raven

    thedailybeast:

    Rick Santorum’s Weakness With Women Helped Him Lose Michigan Primary
    by Patricia Murphy Feb 29, 2012 1:22 AM EST

    The arch-conservative candidate lost every category of women polled Tuesday night, after weeks of talking about issues that did him no favors with moderate and independent female voters.
    PrintEmailComments (13)

    Female voters in Michigan spoke out Tuesday night, but they weren’t singing Rick Santorum’s tune. The former Pennsylvania senator lost the Michigan primary to Mitt Romney by 3 points due in large part to his weakness among Michigan women.

    Although Santorum lost among Michigan men by just 1 point, he lost the women’s vote by a full 6-point margin, leaving him well behind Romney and unable to close the gap with male voters in any way.

    Santorum’s loss came after weeks of talking about issues that did him no favors with the moderate and independent women who voted Tuesday, including his past statements that working women had been convinced by “radical feminists” that working outside the home is the only route to happiness

    According to thedailybeast, there was gender disparity among voters. Santorum lost the male vote to Romney by 1% but 6% among women.

    That still isn’t all that much.

    BTW Ricky, women work outside the home because they have to. Unemployment is high, all jobs are unstable, and an average paycheck from one person makes it hard to support a family.

    He wouldn’t know. Santorum made 3.6 million USD last year, apparently as a lobbyist.

  18. 18
    Modusoperandi

    Larry “I have to disagree with #1. Even if they are no longer birthin’ babies, don’t they have daughters, granddaughters, and nieces. Can they be so caught up in Santorum-mania, they can’t even stop to consider the impacts that would fall on them? Unfortunately, I think I can guess the answer.”
    They don’t have to fall exclusively under only one of my well-researched and cited treatise on the reactionary Right. For example, a Tea Partyin’ granny (#1) could also insist that her daughters/grand daughters/etc aren’t sluts (#2).

  19. 19
    dogmeat

    I don’t see a cross-tab for gender and Democrat, gender and liberal, or gender and attitude towards the Tea Party, but my expectation in that a significant number of women who were Democrats, Liberals, and those opposed to the Tea Party voted for Santorum as Democrats “poisoning the well” which would likely disrupt the Romney/Santorum gender gap. It makes quite a bit of sense when you look at it while considering that activity.

    The interesting thing will be to see how long Santorum, Gingrich, and Paul stay in the race. The longer they do so, and the more indicators suggest economic improvement, the more difficult this election will be for the Republicans.

  20. 20
    Dr X

    @Michael Heath:

    I did find it ironic that Romney beat Santorum 44%/37% when it come to Catholic voters.

    The position that almost all Catholics arrive at fairly young is that no matter how threatening or scary the internal powers of the church try to make disobedience, almost everyone comes to see the demands and expectations as nothing more than suggestions that can be disposed of once one’s own conscience determines that a church position is bullshit. That occurs almost simultaneously with getting a couple of years beyond the age of basic reason. By the time Catholics of my era were maybe 11 years old, virtually every priest and nun we knew was the subject of our relentless private ridicule and, in many cases, downright hate. I don’t know what is typical in other denominations, but as Catholic kids, most of our parents didn’t push back when we spoke our mind about these people. There was just too much injustice, cruelty and behavior inflicted on us that was blatantly contradictory to what they were preaching. In fact, our parents probably agreed with our criticisms more often than not, even supported us sometimes when we defied some especially outlandish demand, but they were also locked into this nutty idea that we still needed a grounding in Catholic education.

    Though not true of Santorum, a fair number of the hardcore wingnut Catholics I’ve encountered didn’t go to Catholic school and became religious later, or they’re converts, a group that routinely elicits eyerolls from Catholics at the moment the word convert is spoken. Most Catholics aren’t big on the idea of converting people because evangelists and catholic converts are considered insufferable because they may understand the official rules, but they don’t understand a membership culture built for survival in the system.

    So I think most Catholics, even many of the more conservative Catholics, would listen to Santorum and dismiss him as a little freak, as irrelevant as any mean, alcoholic monsignor, or possibly pedo parish priest, or creaky, psychologically disturbed, power hungry bishop.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if a good chunk of the Catholic vote for Santorum had more to do with prejudice against Romney’s Mormonism than it had to do with respect for Santorum’s beliefs.

  21. 21
    grumpyoldfart

    Did you hear the audience cheering Santorum each time he spoke? Those cheering people represent tens of millions of American voters who will happily follow their leader into hell – not because they are brave, but because they are too stupid to know when they are being gulled.

  22. 22
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Rick Sabntorum = Every Child Left Behind!
    - Shamelessly stolen from last night’s Letterman show.

    That someone that bad would be able to come that close and even breifly be a Republican frontrunner to be president is scary -and embarrassing for them as others have already noted.

  23. 23
    reasonbeing

    He is just the last nutjob in a string of nutjobs—his time in the spotlight is no longer than Perry, Cain, Bachmann, Gingrich, he is just last. I agree completely he has double-downed on his stupidity and it is costing him.

    I further agree with many of the other comments that his getting this far is embarrassing for our country. I have written numerous times that if he gets the nomination there really is nothing good to come from it. Sure Obama might have an easier time of winning, but do we really want to give Santorum’s views a soapbox for the next 9 months? I don’t and quite glad to see him imploding.

  24. 24
    Doug Little

    but do we really want to give Santorum’s views a soapbox for the next 9 months?

    Actually I like that his views are in the open for all to see, let him keep going, please let him keep going. I’m hoping that he does a spectacular amount of damage to the Republican’s and religious right’s cause that no self respecting Republican will ever ramp the crazy up to 11 again… I can hope right?

  25. 25
    Michael Heath

    Rick Santorum = Every Child Left Behind!

    That works from a couple of perspectives.

  26. 26
    jennyxyzzy

    Santorum has only doubled down on his insanity.

    There’s a theory that the Republican Party is hedging it’s bets as the US economy starts to pick up. A recovering economy is pretty much the death knell for the Republican candidate in the presidential race, but a good “God Gays and Guns” candidate may be able to excite the base enough to limit the electoral damage.

  27. 27
    Michael Heath

    jennyxyzzy writes:

    There’s a theory that the Republican Party is hedging it’s bets as the US economy starts to pick up. A recovering economy is pretty much the death knell for the Republican candidate in the presidential race, but a good “God Gays and Guns” candidate may be able to excite the base enough to limit the electoral damage.

    Andrew Sullivan is arguing that congressional Republicans are siding with Israel at the expense of U.S. interests in order to excite their base for this year’s general elections. That Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu could be President Obama’s biggest effective opponent in the ’12 election season.

    I find this notion compelling because conservative Christians now demonstrate blind loyalty to reactionary Israeli/Zionist proposals. That’s coupled to no effective loyalty to U.S. interests anymore where they also demonstrate more fealty than Israelis in general with the exception of the most conservative/reactionary Zionists. [Sullivan linked to a poll in yesterday's thread noting the lack of Israeli citizens support to unilaterally invade Iran and even invade Iran with U.S. support.] The drama heats up this week with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s visit to the U.S.

  28. 28
    dingojack

    Any bets on how long it’ll be before a certain commenter will turn up and accuse Mr M Heath of being the biggest ‘Israel-basher’ since ooooh –
    Mr A Hitler?
    :) Dingo

  29. 29
    Raging Bee

    The interesting thing will be to see how long Santorum, Gingrich, and Paul stay in the race.

    Long enough to keep Romney from getting a credible mandate, and hopefully force a brokered convention where someone else can ride in on a white horse and lead the party to victory and salvation in a glorious spectacle that will erase all the preceding embarrassing extremist rhetoric from the voters’ memories.

    PS: I notice some people in the “news” media are now taking up my earlier predictions about Jeb Bush.

  30. 30
    I amafreeman

    Something that would behoove us all to remember – or realize – is that “College” is simply a business where some,and certain, amounts of knowledge are imparted to some students – mostly in the “hands-on” type of course work; e.g., the sciences including egological ustainability and repair of the environment, math and science teaching courses, etc. The remainder of the courses (at least the first TWO years) is simply that which ought to have been learned, and at one time was, in Jr. and Sr, High Schools. “REMEDIAL” math, english, and general science classes being offered IN A FOUR-YEAR UNEVERSITY!!?? AND, at the expense of other and/or more advanced coursework in these areas of study and in other areas as well.

    As a one-time future teacher in the Teaching Program I could not fit a Greco-Roman History class (only one level was even offered)into my schedule and was allowed to graduated without it. Offered once (one class!) every two years and at 2000-2230 hrs (College time) – after a LOOONNNGGG day of study and note-taking. Would it not be prudent for a future teacher to KNOW at least a little something about the origins of Western Civilizations upon which our culture AND system of governance (indeed, ALL of Europe and the Americas) was and is based? Learned pant-loads about Asian and African and Meso-American histories and cultures – and was very, very happy that I did, but WTH? College is simply extended High School with all the partying and fashions and silly, immature HS politics.

  31. 31
    I amafreeman

    Lil’ Rickie Santorum: Something definitely wrong with that boy! Too much time spent behind the alter with the priests? Counseling his own daughter to bear, birth, nurse and raise a rapist’s child!!!!

    He would make ALL women do this if he could. Not only a crazier than batshit concept, but cruel as well. Oh, yeah, by the way, let’s keep that DNA floating around the gene-pool!

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