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  1. Chiroptera says

    Well, I have to admit:

    when the Christian Right, in its role as “useful idiots,” help the pro-national security conservatives (who now seem to be Democrat as much as Republican) to finally establish the great American dictatorship, I hope the judiciary does retain enough power to at least keep it secular.

  2. Michael Heath says

    I’m not informed on the degree to which various groups believe in Satan. I was hoping that people believed in Satan to the degree Catholic women follow the edict to not practice birth control. The best I could come up with was a dated 2003 Gallup poll, which showed that Americans predominately believe in Satan. That includes 67% of Democrats and 52% of liberals. Add in the ‘not sures’ and it’s downright depressing.

    Perhaps I didn’t sufficiently do my research, but I couldn’t find a poll which trends belief in Satan over time nor could I find a more recent survey. Pew Research Center doesn’t track this.

  3. Phillip IV says

    Of course he doesn’t mention “Satan” at all, which was the part of Santorum’s comments that caused all of those unbelieving stares. Instead, Robertson uses the classic evasive defense – reframe a negative reaction to specific faith statements as an attack on faith in general, and then defend faith in general, rather than the specific statement.

    Naturally, that defense of faith in general is to be understood to leave out all non-Christian faiths and the more liberal 60% of Christian denominations.

    And then he rounds it out with the “two-dominoes theory”, the dummy version of the domino theory that got America stuck in Vietnam: Once you “take God out of the public sphere” (whatever that specifically means – Bam! next moment: a dictatorship. Couldn’t go any other way.

  4. davidct says

    I don’t know about dictatorship but a secular atheistic country sounds great to me. I remember when Robertson was running for President. Once again he would fit right in.

  5. dingojack says

    American lagely believe in Satan do they?

    ‘PS. I must admit that I used the headline above just because of the the shock-value, as I do not believe it is right, but when ABC swallows it, it is news. A much more reliable sounding poll-result is here:
    “While most of the sample American queried by Barna still affirmed God as the all-powerful Creator, a mere 17 percent of the Catholics, 18 percent Methodists, 20 percent Episcopalians, 21 percent Lutherans, and 22 percent of the Presbyterians told Barna that they thought Satan was real.”
    http://www.adherents.com/misc/BarnaPoll.html
    [O]n the other hand there is this poll which may be the source for the ABC: “Gallup asked Americans if the devil is something they believe in, something they’re not sure about, or something they don’t believe in. Sixty-eight percent said in a May 2001 poll that they believe in the devil, 20% said they don’t, and 12% said they aren’t sure.”
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/7858/Devil-Demographic-Details.aspx

    Source

    Dingo

  6. raven says

    I’m not informed on the degree to which various groups believe in Satan.

    Michael H., probably the latest poll is the Barna poll. Barna is an evangelical polling organization.

    The Barna Group – Most American Christians Do Not Believe that …www.barna.org/barna…/260-most-american-christians-do-not-believe…Cached – Similar
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    10 Apr 2009 – Most American Christians Do Not Believe that Satan or the Holy … to be Christian have a diverse set of beliefs – but many of those beliefs are …

    Most U.S. Christians don’t believe Satan, Holy Spirit existin.christiantoday.com/articles/…christians…believe-satan…/3704.htmCached – Similar
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    14 Apr 2009 – In contrast, about 35 percent of American Christians believe Satan is real. … even though many of these same people believe Satan is merely a symbol … Barna should poll born-again Christians, not Christians by name only.

    According to Barna it is roughly half that believe in satan for xians. 24% of the US population isn’t even xian.

    A lot of xians think satan is a metaphor or symbol not a real life guy walking around.

    Speaking of walking around. Some xians retconned satan to the talking snake in Genesis. Which doesn’t really work because genesis says it was just a snake in several places.

    So god took the snakes legs away as revenge. However whenever you see pictues of satan, he looks like a person with horns, and a tail and all. And legs. Really, another example of incoherent xian beliefs that don’t make any sense.

  7. demonhauntedworld says

    Clearly we need to come up with a conservative meme generator where you pick a word from Column A:
    -Muslim
    -liberal
    -socialist
    -secular
    -communist
    and a word from Column B:
    -atheistic
    -Nazi
    -fascist
    -greenie
    -dictatorship
    and then go back to Column A for good measure.

  8. raven says

    Pat Robertson:

    “You say you’re supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don’t have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist.” — Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991

    Pat Robertson has said a lot of crazy things over the years.

    He once called the mainline Protestants agents of the Antichrist.

    He was also once a faith healer and predicted the Happy Second Genocide when jesus shows up. Wrongly of course. If fundies would ever follow their magic book and stoned false prophets to death, Robertson would have disappeared under a pile of rocks long ago.

  9. lordshipmayhem says

    Of course Satan is real. He plays hockey for HC Slovan Bratislava in Slovakia – used to play in the NHL. He has a lovely wife and two cute kids.

    AFAIK, he isn’t interested in taking over the United States and installing any sort of dictatorship.

  10. Phillip IV says

    lordshipmayhem @ #13:

    Of course Satan is real. He plays hockey for HC Slovan Bratislava in Slovakia – used to play in the NHL. He has a lovely wife and two cute kids.

    Are you sure? I thought Mr. Satan was running a dojo and taking part in martial arts competitions.

  11. dingojack says

    I thought he lved at the north pole, and gave gifts to kiddies on Jesus’ Birthday and… Oh wait.
    :) Dingo
    ——–
    Thanks Ed.

  12. 'Tis Himself, OM says

    I thought he lved at the north pole, and gave gifts to kiddies on Jesus’ Birthday and…

    You’re thinking of the Tooth Bunny or the Easter Fairy or someone like that with some heavy duty, industrial strength, weapons grade mojo. Or possibly not.

  13. raven says

    xpost Pharyngula. OT but just barely. Right off my morning news feed. Pat Robertson has said the exact same thing in the exact same words.

    ..Santorum says he doesn’t believe in separation of church and state
    By Lee-Anne Goodman, The Canadian Press | Associated Press – 1 hr 24 mins ago………WASHINGTON –

    Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum said Sunday that he doesn’t believe in the separation of church and state,

    adding that he was sickened by John F. Kennedy’s assurances to Baptist ministers 52 years ago that he would not impose his Catholic faith on them.

    “I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute,” Santorum, a devout Catholic, said in an interview from Michigan on ABC’s “This Week.”
    I think Ricky S. just committed political suicide here. Or I hope anyway.

    His made up Catholicism isn’t recognizable to most Catholics. It is a mixture of ancient Dark Age Catholicism crossed with modern backwoods fundie Xianity with some rage and a lot of hate thrown in.

    Fundie xians are pretty stupid. A recent news article found that many of them don’t realize he is actually a Catholic, a Fake Xian to many of them. Because mostly he is channeling fundie-ism.

  14. daved says

    “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.”

    — “Verbal” Kint in The Usual Suspects

  15. raven says

    “The greatest trick the priests ever pulled was convincing people an Invisible Sky Fairy known as god existed.”

  16. Michael Heath says

    raven writes:

    His made up Catholicism isn’t recognizable to most Catholics.

    Perhaps, but it’s recognizable to the Catholics at Fox News* who dominate their programing. And while the Bishops argue for some policy prescriptions contra Santorum’s own position, they do so weakly and don’t advocate voting for those politicians who support the contra positions. Instead those same Bishops use abortion and gay marriage as the litmus voting test, which keeps Santorum in the sweet spot with the Catholic hierarchy, including Pope Benedict.

    Roger Ailes, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Brett Baier, Brian Kilmeade, Neil Cavuto, and I’m sure many more who don’t have their own Wikipedia page.

  17. says

    Great, Andy Rooney dies and the only curmudgeonly commentator we’re left with is the Ayatollah Robberscum.

    He’s JUST LIKE Rooney, except for the his lack of wit, charm, intellect and sanity.

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