Wingnuts Pick Up False Rock Beyond Belief Story


From JD the asshole fighter pilot to Fox News and now to Glenn Beck’s website and a Christian Reconstructionist group, the fake story about Rock Beyond Belief is spreading across Planet Wingnuttia. Beck’s site just lies from the start:

Why in the world would atheists be using a music video that celebrates the burning of churches and bloodied crosses to promote an upcoming music festival?

There’s nothing in the video (for Aiden’s song Hysteria) that even remotely suggests that it celebrates the burning of churches. In fact, the song and video includes the image of burning churches and synagogues because they are burned by adherents to other religions, which is exactly the kind of violence the song is criticizing.

American Vision, an openly Reconstructionist group, is throwing a fit about it. Of course, they think atheists should be in prison or put to death, so that’s hardly a shock. But it’s the comments at both sites that will have you shaking your head. Like this clueless dolt:

If the Army even DISCUSSED funding a Christian rock concert, organizations like the ACLU and Freedom From Religion Foundation would have been LIVID. But because this concert has nothing to do with praising God and EVERYTHING to do with mocking Him and His people … Well, I guess that’s okay with the ACLU and FFRF.

Nevermind the fact that the Supreme Court has said that atheism is a religion, since a religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a supreme being.

Guess religion and the Army can mix … just as long as that religion doesn’t glorify God.

Uh, right. Except that this is all happening precisely because Ft. Bragg held a Christian rock concert, and continues to hold them every year. And then there’s another person who puts the text of an email he or she sent to the commander at Ft. Bragg:

Col. Sicinski,

At a time when our troops need spiritual renewal and strengthening for our soldier and families, we get this kind of concert? I am dealing with the unfortunate results of deployment with the death of Marine Cpl. Jesse W. Stites who is the son in law of a close friend of mine.

I sure hope we train our patriot soldiers better than this for the real world of having to cope with death of loved ones, PTSD and all the other issues as they re enter the public and private sectors upon deactivation and ‘reployment’ in the job market.

Having a ‘rock concert’ which denounces faith, celebrates death, destruction, chaos and mayhem is no way to prepare these people. The deserve much better.

Except, of course, that no one has to attend the event. And isn’t it up to each soldier to decide for themselves whether they need “spiritual revival”?

And there’s this one, full of the usual poor grammar and misspelled words:

Sounds like an even that obama will go to it more his style for sure since his anti Christian and promotes alternative lifestyles. But for the Army to fund such an even is unconscionable at best and I would be very curious at to who authorized such a demeaning even and who ordered them to do so? Our troops ask for GOD’s blessings before they go into combat, those of different beliefs prepare in what ever manner they prefer or makes the most comfortable. But they do not defame others in their beliefs this band band/event apparently goes against ever thing we as American believe in or hold sacred to us. Bottom line whoever authorized this event or sponsorship needs to be removed from that position and charges under the UCMJ might be necessary also.

GEDs are your friend.

Typical misguided bad judgment by Government – trying to please a very small group that is marginalized before they even start.

Why would a supposed atheist group even care? Why do they conform to ANY rules in society? If they do not fear any post mortem judgment by the Great Spirit why don’t they just off themselves and help society?

The Great Spirit? Heretic!

This colonel is a satanist , needs to be Burned Alive and set as example ; what a Disgrace to the Military and our Nation.

And they’ll know we are Christians by our love, by our love.

I agree a disgrace,this is what’s wrong with our nation,it’s not bad enough to try to make God leave His own country,but to even …there are just no words,it just sickens me!!

We can make an omnipotent God leave his own country? We’re almost as powerful as The Gay.

On the Beck website, there is an amusing series of comments. I’ll combine them together:

Person 1: Both of Obama‘s parent’s were Atheist. Just say’ing.

Person 2: Actually both of Obama’s parents were Muslim, all three if you count Lolo.

Okey dokey.

Comments

  1. matty1 says

    They object to a rock concert that ‘celebrates .. chaos and mayhem’? Have these people ever heard rock music, or any music other than hymns?

    Also please say they’re right about Obama going, he can use his magic time machine so he doesn’t have to take time off for it.

  2. Cuttlefish says

    The second “clueless dolt” commenter? I replied to her, telling her about the Ft. Bragg concert. Her reply:

    Hey, Cuttlefish. Did it ever occur to you that maybe – just MAYBE – I didn’t know that the Army had funded a Christian rock concert?

    But hey! Don’t let facts get in the way of your complaint!

    And I won’t apologize for how I feel about Aiden’s lyrics. I stand by my point of view, no matter what you and the rest of their defenders say.

    Um… yeah, it did occur to me, which was my point exactly. As for the lyrics… there are none so blind as those that will not see.

  3. Larry says

    Life’s so much easier when you don’t feel the need to fact check pull things out of your ass.

    FIFY

  4. says

    Nevermind the fact that the Supreme Court has said that atheism is a religion, since a religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a supreme being.

    This is inaccurate. In Kaufman v. Mccaughtry, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals said:

    Without venturing too far into the realm of the philosophical, we have suggested in the past that when a person sincerely holds beliefs dealing with issues of “ultimate concern” that for her occupy a “place parallel to that filled by . . . God in traditionally religious persons,” those beliefs represent her religion. [citations omitted] We have already indicated that atheism may be considered, in this specialized sense, a religion. [emphasis mine]

    The court was addressing whether atheism counts as a religion for the purposes of First Amendment protection, and they affirmed that atheism is in fact protected since it can concern many of the same existential questions as religions. There are things that the court did seem to get wrong about atheism (later calling it “a school of thought that takes a position on religion, the existence and importance of a supreme being, and a code of ethics,” which is not necessarily true), but they did not rule that atheism is a religion in the larger and more commonly used sense, only in a limited legal sense.

  5. Jordan Genso says

    Hey, Cuttlefish. Did it ever occur to you that maybe – just MAYBE – I didn’t know that the Army had funded a Christian rock concert?

    But hey! Don’t let facts get in the way of your complaint!

    Wait a minute. She made a comment completely ignorant of the Christian concerts that have been allowed, and when you inform her of them, she makes the statement above? So she wishes you had allowed the fact of her ignorance to stop you from correcting her? Yet if she wasn’t ignorant, you wouldn’t need to correct her. That’s a nice Catch-22 there.

  6. says

    I’m attending the Reason Rally in D.C. I can’t wait to see how Beck or FOX will spin lies about that event. I can hear Hannity now “hate groups descend on Washington D.C.”

  7. John Hinkle says

    If they do not fear any post mortem judgment by the Great Spirit why don’t they just off themselves and help society?

    I don’t fear judgement by the Great Spirit after I die.

    Therefore, I should commit suicide.

    ????

    Did this person learn logic from Monty Python and the Holy Grail?

  8. lynxreign says

    Why in the world would atheists be using a music video that celebrates the burning of churches and bloodied crosses to promote an upcoming music festival?

    Why in the world would Christians be celebrating the torture and murder of a Jew for 2000 years? Why would they constantly be celebrating the image of bloody crosses/torture devices?

    Complaining is so much more fun without context.

    Of course, with those statements side by side, you’d think they’d think the video would be about how great churches are.

  9. says

    FWIW, this little blow-up even made the BBC website (with the usual “Look at what those daft Yanks are making a fuss about now!” undertone). Good sound-bites from Justin there.

  10. Tobinius says

    Why would a supposed Christian group even care? Why do they conform to ANY rules in society? If they do not fear any post mortem judgment by the Great Spirit why don’t they just off themselves and help society?

    I think that makes at least a little more sense – not that anyone should “off themselves.”

  11. Hercules Grytpype-Thynne says

    Did this person learn logic from Monty Python and the Holy Grail?

    More like Doug & Dinsdale Piranha:

    Denied the opportunity to use their talents in the service of their country, they began to operate what they called ‘The Operation’… They would select a victim and then threaten to beat him up if he paid the so-called protection money. Four months later they started another operation which the called ‘The Other Operation’. In this racket they selected another victim and threatened not to beat him up if he didn’t pay them.

  12. John Hinkle says

    Hercules Grytpype-Thynne:

    Reminds me of the Marx brothers (paraphrasing):

    Chico: We have to practice before the concert.

    Goucho: How much does that cost?

    Chico: Oh, it’s very expensive.

    Groucho: Well, how much would it cost if you don’t practice?

    Chico: You couldn’t afford it.

  13. Uncle Glenny says

    I read some of those comments at american vision.

    I think I need to go on another bender.

    Wake me when it’s over.

  14. exdrone says

    Cuttlefish @3,
    It’s like you pulled her away from the curb in the nick of time and having her yell back: “Did it ever occur to you that maybe – just MAYBE – I didn’t know that that car was coming? You’re an ass!”

  15. exdrone says

    a ‘rock concert’ which … celebrates death, destruction, chaos and mayhem is no way to prepare these people. The[y] deserve much better.

    Juxtaposed with:

    This colonel is a satanist [and] needs to be Burned Alive

    The hypocrisy really does escape them.

  16. parasiteboy says

    I’m a bit late to the party, but I can easily see how an objective person (not the ones mentioned at the beginning) would think that Aidens’s song Hysteria celebrates the burning of religious items and disagree with Ed’s comment

    There’s nothing in the video (for Aiden’s song Hysteria) that even remotely suggests that it celebrates the burning of churches. In fact, the song and video includes the image of burning churches and synagogues because they are burned by adherents to other religions, which is exactly the kind of violence the song is criticizing.

    Without an explanation from the band about the first two lines of the song (http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/aiden/hysteria.html)

    Love how they burn your synagogues
    Love how they torch your holy books

    The lyrics are open to the “celebrates the burning of churches” interpretation
    Even if the lyrics where written a bit more as they are sung

    Love…how they burn your synagogues
    Love…how they torch your holy books

    There still remains plenty of ambiguity

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