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Jan 28 2012

‘Kingdom of Heaven’ Resident Indicted

What is it about crazy wingnut tax protesters and Florida? A resident of that state who claims that he really lives in the “kingdom of heaven” and therefore he is not subject to American taxation, has been indicted for tax fraud and failing to pay his income taxes. And the guy has the perfect name for someone making such a claim:

A 40-year-old Melbourne man who told IRS agents he was not subject to man’s laws but instead was an American national who “resided in the Kingdom of Heaven,” pled not guilty this week to charges he filed false tax returns.

Russell P. Gentile also faces one count of obstruction of an IRS agent after a grand jury indicted him…

Investigators reported that Gentile told IRS agents that he would sue them in court if they continued to call him and ordered them to remove his name and Social Security number from the agency’s databases.

“I have been as polite and patient as I can be,” Gentile wrote agents in one letter.

“. . . you have both violated the law by canvassing me outside your jurisdiction of the District of Columbia and exceeded the scope of your authority,” the letter said.

He should go ask Kent Hovind how that argument turned out for him. He can be visited in federal prison in Colorado.

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  1. 1
    had3

    His spirit isn’t being taxed, just his fleshly human income. You know, “render unto Ceasar…”

  2. 2
    exdrone

    You see – another unwanted immigrant!

  3. 3
    raven

    Kent Hovind put himself in prison for 8 1/2 years by being stupid.

    Normally the IRS just wants their money. If you deal with them, you pay your taxes and civil penalties.

    If you mickey mouse them around, they can charge you with tax avoidance, a felony.

    This Gentile guy is an idiot. He is going to put himself in prison for really stupid reasons.

  4. 4
    dingojack

    Does he now consider himself a resident of Purgatory?
    Dingo

  5. 5
    slc1

    Re raven @ #3

    Actually, Mr. Gentile is being charged with tax evasion, which is not the same thing, legally, as tax avoidance.

  6. 6
    dingojack

    SLC – What’s the difference?
    Dingo

  7. 7
    Modusoperandi

    dingojack, one is a [/me makes zig-zag motion] while the other is more of a [/me makes sliding to one side motion].

  8. 8
    matty1

    As I understand it tax evasion is flat out refusing to pay whereas tax avoidance is the technically legal practice using loopholes in the tax code to reduce the amount owed by say converting income into capital gains.

  9. 9
    Chiroptera

    I’d say that we should deport him, but I know of only one way to send someone to the Kingdom of Heaven and I think that would be a bit harsh.

  10. 10
    tacitus

    Thought I’d look up to see how Hovind’s doing. He’s now five years into his ten year sentence, though he’s scheduled for release in August 2015. He’s still thoroughly unrepentant, thinks he’s done nothing wrong, and is continuing to file appeals with the courts, while hoping that overcrowding and cost cutting might see him released early.

    And you’ll be delighted to learn that he’s in the finishing stages of completing “another” doctorate–all about Creationism, of course–and he’s still preaching and evangelizing his fellow inmates. More fools for Christ, and future donors, no doubt.

    http://www.kenthovindblog.com/

  11. 11
    Ichthyic

    Hovind will end up being bigger than ever when he gets out, if history is any judge.

    Jim Bakker was convicted on several counts of fraud (against his own “parishioners”).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bakker#Legal_problems

    after he got out of jail, he started his “ministry” up again immediately.

    It’s now at least twice the size it was before he went to jail.

    I’d say: “suckers!”, but somehow it seems woefully insufficient.

  12. 12
    feralboy12

    As I understand it tax evasion is flat out refusing to pay whereas tax avoidance is the technically legal practice using loopholes in the tax code to reduce the amount owed by say converting income into capital gains.

    So let’s charge the guy with tax avoision and be done with it.

  13. 13
    Aquaria

    Jim Bakker was convicted on several counts of fraud (against his own “parishioners”).

    Herbert Armstrong booted his son, Garner Ted, out of the Worldwide Church of God for womanizing.

    Garner Ted started a new church in Tyler, but was soon booted out for…sexual impropriety.

    When he died, he had a whole new church going–with tons of followers.

    Fundies never learn.

  14. 14
    LightningRose

    He’s not a full blown bull goose loony unless he pleads, “Subornation of false muster”, as did Kent Hovind.

  15. 15
    Marcus Ranum

    Render unto Caesar WTF Caesar’s legions tell you to render.

  16. 16
    rjmx

    and he’s still preaching and evangelizing his fellow inmates.

    Hey, hang on. Waterboarding and the death penalty are one thing, but if that’s not cruel and unusual punishment, I don’t know what is.

  17. 17
    harold

    As I understand it tax evasion is flat out refusing to pay whereas tax avoidance is the technically legal practice using loopholes in the tax code to reduce the amount owed by say converting income into capital gains.

    Yes, Raven meant to say “tax fraud” or “tax evasion”.

    It is not only legal, but perfectly ethical, to declare all valid tax deductions.

    I am in favor of a much more progressive tax system than we have now. I think the capital gains tax should be progressive. I think we should have a new upper income bracket, starting around half a million dollars in income, taxed at a higher marginal rate (meaning you would pay current rates on the first $499,999.99, and income after that would be taxed at higher marginal rate). (I think some wingnut who makes $35,000 a year and would only be favorable impacted by such a system might read this and literally go into convulsions of rage, torment, and inner conflict over the perceived “attack” on poor defenseless billionaires, too. However, I can’t spend my life trying to help winguts avoid convulsions of rage, torment, and inner conflict.)

    The individual does not directly determine the system, and can only control their own behavior within it. There is no reason to try to pay extra taxes (which the IRS won’t accept, anyway); pay taxes rationally whatever the system and lobby for the system that makes the most sense.

    Incidentally, the rational way to deal with taxes is, all else being equal, to maximize your after tax disposable income – NOT to pay as few taxes as possible. Many obsessed jackasses do things like dumping money on “write-offs” that they get no use from, rather than merely paying taxes on the money, and then enjoying or wisely investing what is left over. Claiming that you won’t work at an easy job for a very high rate of pay, or won’t accept money, because you would have to pay taxes on the money (a claim Bill O’Reilly made not long ago) is either irrational or hypocritical, as well.

  18. 18
    stubby

    Check out this gem from the comments.

    “If I were on the jury it would be a hung jury at worst or at best he would walk. Resident of Heaven. Far as I am concerned the IRS would need to prove he is not.”

  19. 19
    llewelly

    had3 | January 28, 2012 at 11:16 am :

    His spirit isn’t being taxed, just his fleshly human income.

    Anyone who does not believe their income is their soul is unmistakably a communist.

  20. 20
    shadowwalkyr

    People here are missing the most obvious aspect here. This guy thinks Florida is A) A kingdom and B) Heaven. Not to mention that the IRS has authority only in DC.

    I’ve been to Florida. “Kingdom of Heaven” is a far cry from reality.

  21. 21
    dingojack

    Slightly OT* I am reminded of “Pig Iron” Bob Menzies on the campaign trail.
    He was in a hostile seat, campaigning on behalf hopeful Liberal candidate, and facing a less than sympathetic crowd.
    After fifteen minutes of platitudes stonily received by the crowd, a women at the back of the crowd snarled out:
    “Menzies, I wouldn’t vote you if you were the Archangel Gabriel!”
    A tense silence fell on the crowd.
    Menzies gathered himself up and said with great dignity:
    “Madam, if I were the Archangel Gabriel you would hardly be in my constituency!”
    The crowd laughed, and the rest of the speech had a much improved reception.
    Dingo
    —–
    * Thanks to those who cleared up the difference between tax avoidance (not paying tax) and tax evasion (paying as little tax as one can). The former sounds like a crime, the latter common sense (to a point).

  22. 22
    Aliasalpha

    Do residents of the kingdom of heaven need a working visa to work in america? I’d be interested to see his passport as well

  23. 23
    Tualha

    raven @3:

    This Gentile guy is an idiot. He is going to put himself in prison for really stupid reasons.

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

  24. 24
    David Hart

    Dingojack: “Thanks to those who cleared up the difference between tax avoidance (not paying tax) and tax evasion (paying as little tax as one can). The former sounds like a crime, the latter common sense (to a point).”

    Other way round. Avoidance – legal
    Evasion – illegal
    (I am from the UK and we have the same distinction here)

  25. 25
    Nemo

    Right, “tax evasion” is what people get charged with. “Tax avoidance” isn’t really a common term in the U.S. Americans prefer to speak of it in pleasant-sounding euphemisms like “tax shelter”.

  26. 26
    dingojack

    boselecta – oops you’re right. scratch that and reverse it.
    Sorry about that.
    Dingo

  27. 27
    kermit.

    On the one hand, believing that he shouldn’t be paying taxes because he is godly is not especially stupid, given the stupid premisses. (Although I don’t know where he got them; his bible says that the followers of Jesus should pay taxes.)

    On the other hand, believing he can get away with this is stupid.

    On the gripping hand, believing that he understands the law better than the IRS, congress, and generations of millionaires and their hired legal guns is beyond stupid; is is an abyss of stupidity, a dark morass of deliberate ignorance and hubris beyond which all cognition is drawn beyond the event horizon, never to be seen again.

    But of course he also thinks that he knows science better than physicists and biologists and geologists. And history better than historians. Sigh… and linguistics.

  28. 28
    Kristjan Wager

    Do residents of the kingdom of heaven need a working visa to work in america? I’d be interested to see his passport as well

    Glenn Stoll, who was Hovind’s tax adviser, belongs to Embassy of Heaven

  29. 29
    Stevarious, Public Health Problem

    Can you imagine how much more widespread this sort of thing would be if the bible said to NOT pay your taxes?

    Scratch that. If the bible said not to pay your taxes, the cult would have died out completely about 1900 years ago I think.

    …Come to think of it, maybe the original documents said exactly that? It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if the whole ‘Render unto Ceaser’ was added in intentionally when the ‘official’ bible was cobbled together 1700 years ago. “Yeah, most of this book is great – wait, what? How are we going to have a state religion that says ‘don’t pay taxes’? You want that book in the canon, you change it to say pay your taxes!”

    How would we know?

  30. 30
    Taneli Huuskonen

    @Ichthyic #11:

    I’d say: “suckers!”, but somehow it seems woefully insufficient.

    A sucker is born every minute. A follower of Jim Bakker is born again every minute.

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