‘Glee’ is Bringing America Down


I’ve never watched the show Glee. I’ll probably never watch the show Glee. I lived through Fame the first time and I have an allergic reaction to Up With People, so it’s pretty unlikely that I’ll find it anything but annoying. But the wingnuts have seen it, and they don’t like it a bit. Televangelist Con man James Robison says it’s helping to destroy the country. From a conversation with Glenn Beck:

You made a tremendous comment earlier in the week, you talked about “Glee.” You talked about the incredible talent; the talent is so staggeringly great and you said “why can’t we take great talent and have a great message?”

You see, the enemy – and you talked about it in “The Overton Window”- the principalities and powers in the realm of darkness and deception know how to take that which is highly effective and use it to their ends to deceive and really to bring us down, away from God, away from truth. They do it highly effectively, they’re committed to it.

Well as long as you’re being rational about this.

Comments

  1. matty1 says

    I know very little about the show but I’m told it has a ‘message’ about the socially outcast finding a community that welcomes them. Maybe Robison finds that offensive.

  2. drlake says

    By their standards, the show would be anathema, but it does a great job of promoting progressive values so I’m all for the kids watching it.

  3. plutosdad says

    yeah because “don’t beat up people different than you” and “people who are different than you are people too, with feelings” are such horrible messages.

  4. raven says

    You see, the enemy – and you talked about it in “The Overton Window”- the principalities and powers in the realm of darkness and deception know how to take that which is highly effective and use it to their ends to deceive

    This is a reference to satan and the demons again. Satan has his own TV show now, Glee, whatever that is.

    For all the power the fundies and the Mormons assign to satan, they might as well call him god number 2 and drop the phony monotheism claim. Mormons especially are really into satan and think satan is always trying to get them because they are god’s chosen people.

    Roughly half of all US xians don’t believe in satan anymore. It never made much sense. God the creator created satan, demons, and hell and lets them run around loose doing whatever they want. Thanks god, we humans really need that help screwing things up.

  5. dingojack says

    I bet Dr. Evil is just kicking himself!
    If only he had realised that broadcasting a tired, ultra-thin re-tread of ‘Fame’ would bring the US to it’s knees – unless, of course, they paid him [dramatic stab] $30,000,000!!!
    Dingo

  6. ottomaniac says

    Frankly, Glee needs better writing in general. Nobody associated with the show seems to understand how plot pacing should work, regardless of what kind of “values” they’re trying to promote. Most of the show has become a terrible soap opera about who’s banging who, which may be a faithful representation of what life is like for a lot of high schoolers, but is not terribly interesting to watch for anyone whose life isn’t entirely run by their libido.

    Honestly, the writing for Glee at this point is largely embarrassingly bad in the same shrill, one-note way that writing for Very Special Christian Teen programs is bad.

    . . . hush, yes, I’ve seen every episode. I like showtunes and Jane Lynch.

  7. Larry says

    the principalities and powers in the realm of darkness and deception know how to take that which is highly effective and use it to their ends to deceive and really to bring us down

    Steve Jobs was the Prince of Darkness??

  8. exdrone says

    ottomaniac @9 hit the nail on the head – showtunes and Jane Lynch. I’ll bet that Robison’s analysis is no more in depth than realizing that a show with those two elements is on TV. The horror – people will catch teh gay.

  9. Doc Bill says

    True confession, I’m a Gleek! I watch the show every week. It has a plot? That’s news to me. And writers? Srsly?

    It’s like a Jetson’s version of Spanky and Our Gang. They solve all their problems by having a show. And, besides, one Sue Sylvester rant is worth the whole thing.

  10. cptdoom says

    ottomaniac @9 hit the nail on the head – showtunes and Jane Lynch. I’ll bet that Robison’s analysis is no more in depth than realizing that a show with those two elements is on TV. The horror – people will catch teh gay.

    It’s worse than just Jane Lynch. They not only have another openly gay actor, Chris Colfer, in both last season and this one, they have 5 regular or recurring characters who are lesbian, gay or bi (no trans – yet) – and they showed two of the gay characters losing their virginity (ok, not explicitly, but you get the point) and not immediately dying of AIDS. Clearly Satan is at work.

    I will also add, as a dedicated Gleek, that I love the show in spite of, actually sometimes because of it’s flaws. Like thirtysomething, which I also loved, it’s terribly uneven, but when it’s good, it can totally kill. Plus the musical numbers are pretty terrific.

  11. danielrudolph says

    Satan’s musical tastes have changed from when I was a kid, as have his values. He was way cooler when he was putting out metal albums and trying to get kids to use drugs and commit suicide.

  12. Doubting Thomas says

    Never thought I’d like Glee either, but since my SO likes it I watch and often enjoy it. Sophomoric but good messages about tolerance and anti bigotry and the music is fairly well done. Better than I imagine Satan would do.

  13. tbp1 says

    I really, really like Jane Lynch, but I stopped watching this halfway through the third episode of the first season. I simply cannot stand the music: I hate most of the music itself but especially the way it’s performed: belted out like Ethel Merman on acid and auto-tuned to within an inch of its life, overarranged and overproduced. At least that’s how it was in the 2.5 episodes I watched and I doubt it’s changed much.

    Plus I hate soap operas, about teens or otherwise.

    I realize no one is pretending that this is social realism, but really, that many kids in one high school with those kinds of voices, who can also dance up a storm (in a school that’s not the NYC High School for the Performing Arts, or its equivalent in other big cities, that is)?

    I went to a high school with really outstanding performing arts (grads include a couple of Metropolitan Opera soloists, lead dancers in the NYC and SF Ballets, some actors actually making a living at it, although no big stars) and trust me, we didn’t have that kind of talent well.

    I hope Jane Lynch is making TONS of money from this.

  14. Sastra says

    I’ve been watching old episodes of Glee on Netflix. It’s been a guilty pleasure and self-admission of weakness — but now that I know the wingnuts hate it I can be proud. I guess.

    Not that I’m surprised. The Satan-in-the-Media group also had conniption fits over the Smurfs, for crying out loud. The plot lines in Glee usually revolve around having sex, being okay even if you’re different, and having sex even if it’s different. They even had an episode where one of the regulars came out as an atheist (though it was clear that his atheism was based on his feeling bitter and rejected and religion was then brought in to make him feel better.)

    As for it being unrealistic, I think it’s deliberately meant to be over-the-top humor. And yes, without Jane Lynch I (probably) wouldn’t keep watching.

  15. raven says

    Not that I’m surprised. The Satan-in-the-Media group also had conniption fits over the Smurfs, for crying out loud

    Don’t forget the Teletubbies. IIRC, one of them is gay.

    I can’t remember if they got around to making the Muppets honorary Minions of Satan, but since 99% of the world’s population falls into that category according to the fundies, most likely they did or will.

  16. Aquaria says

    You see, the enemy – and you talked about it in “The Overton Window”- the principalities and powers in the realm of darkness and deception know how to take that which is highly effective and use it to their ends to deceive and really to bring us down, away from God, away from truth. They do it highly effectively, they’re committed to it.

    With the christers, if you’re not fellating their 3-in-1 deity 24/7, then you’re not doing anything worthwhile.

    You’re not supposed to enjoy any books, movies or music that isn’t about the genocidal scumbag in the sky. You’re not supposed to enjoy sex. You’re not supposed to enjoy sports.

    Your whole life is supposed to revolve around a world of fiction.

    It’s sort of like being a Trekkie, only not as cool. Or moral.

  17. raven says

    Fox Business News Calls Muppets Communist; Debate Goes Viralwww.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2816479/postsCached

    5 Dec 2011 – If you Googled news about “Muppets” on Monday you were treated to …. 19 posted on 12/05/2011 5:46:14 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I’d like to tell … She told us that Communism was evil and ruled by Satan and did not …

    Yes, the Muppets are both commies and agents of satan. Probably atheists and Democrats as well.

    It comes from the Fox news xian oracle so it must be true.

  18. says

    I like Glee. I watch it whenever time permits.
    I don’t think the problem is Glee. I think the problem is that television drama in general, and “teen drama” specifically, are genres that succeed or fail by their ability to mirror our changing culture.
    Kids don’t tune in to watch who they ought to be, they watch who they want to be- or who they are.

  19. ambulocetacean says

    not terribly interesting to watch for anyone whose life isn’t entirely run by their libido

    My life is run entirely by my libido but I don’t find it terribly interesting to watch. Teen soap with autotuned musical numbers? Bleeeargh. Jane Lynch is awesome, though.

    But I absolutely love what they’re doing in humanising gay kids. I also think it’s nice that they have a character with Down syndrome. In my travels around the more immature parts of the internet I’ve seen a lot of horrible shit being put on people with Down syndrome.

    Satan … was way cooler when he was putting out metal albums and trying to get kids to use drugs and commit suicide

    Now he’s just gettting LGBT kids to commit suicide via Christian bullying…

  20. anandine says

    My wife likes it, so we TiVo it and watch it together. It’s okay. Spotty writing and acting. Frequently unbelievable plot twists. Pretty young people singing highly produced show tunes, which I like as part of the musical mix. Good liberal values.

  21. says

    ottomaniac:

    …but is not terribly interesting to watch for anyone whose life isn’t entirely run by their libido.

    Aside from the fact that I’m not really sure most people’s lives aren’t run by their libidos, I think this criticism of the show is about as shallow as it gets. In fact, it’s not all that different than the criticism that the OP makes fun of, minus the part about it being outright evil. “Ugh sex, how utterly banal. It’s beneath me (snigger). It’s shallow and silly and only stupid people think about it, especially teenage people.” C’mon really? You’ve never even really watched it, have you? Admit it!

    Some of the sex and dating topics in the show are trite and stupid, some are downright hilarious. Some are also very touching (if you’ll excuse the overtly creepy pun) and sweet. But that isn’t all the show is about and even it was, that wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing.

    I really like Glee, obviously. Even when it’s trite and ridiculous. And I don’t like a lot of the songs, but BEHOLD! The magic of DVR makes it possible for me to skip over the bad ones. But when it is good, it is very, very good.

    And no, my life isn’t “run by my libido” whatever that means. At least no more so than anyone else. And no, I’m not a teenager. I like the show for it’s positive messages, good songs, and it’s celebration of weirdness. Very little of that has anything to do with my libido.

  22. bahrfeldt says

    “You see, the enemy – and you talked about it in “The Overton Window”- the principalities and powers in the realm of darkness and deception know how to take that which is highly effective and use it to their ends to deceive and really to bring us down, away from God, away from truth. They do it highly effectively, they’re committed to it.”

    I find as disturbing that he considers himself and his allies to be Principalities and Powers as I am by Catholic priests claiming to be the eqivalent of the apostles.

    And it will take more than Jane Lynch to make the show watchable, but this is her punishment for failing as his shrink to cure Charlie Sheen, then signing up to do a show for Fox. Yes, the powers of evil behind Glee are Murdoch and his 666 corporate team.

  23. nemothederv says

    Do I want to know what “The Overton Window” is?
    I take it that it is someones book but I don’t see how it’s relevant.
    Should I bother to look it up or not?

  24. Chris from Europe says

    I don’t remember the episode, but Glee got the establishment clause wrong. The claim was that the teacher would be punished if the kids sing a religious song.

  25. tomh says

    Glee is a TV show, entertainment, that some people like and some don’t. That makes it exactly like every other piece of entertainment on the planet. Personally, I like it. I like the music, I like the characters, and I like the way gay and lesbian kids are portrayed. Some are open, some are not, some kids pick on them, some parents accept them, some do not – kind of what real life is like. As far as I know, it’s unique in its portrayal of gay and lesbian kids in high school. Good for them.

  26. bryanfeir says

    @nemothederv:

    ‘Overton Window’ is Glenn Beck’s contribution to the same sort of ‘conservative fiction’ market as Left Behind and that sort of rot. See Overton Windex for a fisking of the book from start to end.

    In general, the ‘Overton Window’ (from which the book took its name) is a term for the range of acceptable discussion, which can be pulled to one side by presenting things previously considered crazy as instead being mainstream.

  27. Rip Steakface says

    From a musician and music-film/TV fan’s perspective, I really don’t like Glee at all. The covers suck (for rock songs, they remove all of the guts and power they originally had, for pop songs, they make them even more staggeringly polished and overly produced [and for legitimately good pop songs like Fuck You, they remove any of the personality, fun and guts the original had]), and the plots make Ferris Bueller’s Day Off seem restrained.

    I understand that it’s about promoting very progressive values, but I have a reaction that’s very much a “Stop helping me!” type one. Let a show that doesn’t suck promote progressive values, damn it! I suppose it’s okay if it pisses off these assholes, but c’mon.

    To me, Glee is pretty much High School Musical with a smug sense of self-awareness. They know they suck, and they’re going to rub it in your face just how much they suck and how much they enjoying sucking at writing a decent TV show and making decent music.

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