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If you want to see some serious crazy, look no further than Andrew Adler, editor of the Atlanta Jewish Times, who actually wrote an article urging the government of Israel to consider sending Mossad agents to assassinate President Obama. He offers three things Israel could or should do in response to Iran possibly getting nuclear weapons. Here’s the third:

Three, give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take our a president deemed unfriendly to Israel in order for the current vice-president to take his place, and forcefully dictate that the United States’ policy includes its helping the Jewish state obliterate its enemies.

Yes, you read “three” correctly. Order a hit on a president in order to preserve Israel’s existence.

He has since offered a not-pology:

The owner of the Atlanta Jewish Times apologized for an opinion column in which he counted President Obama’s assassination as among Israel’s options in heading off a nuclear Iran.

“I very much regret it, I wish I hadn’t made reference to it at all,” Andrew Adler told JTA on Friday.

No, that’s not an apology. Saying he regrets saying it is not the same thing as recognizing that what he said was wrong. He could just as easily regret it because of the blowback, not because he realizes that it was wrong. I suspect he may be getting a visit from the Secret Service soon. He’ll probably regret it more then.

Comments

  1. slc1 says

    I’m sure that the Israel bashers who comment on this blog will shortly be along to point to this nutcase as a reason for throwing Israel under the bus.

    However, there is nothing at all new here. There are antiSemitic nutcases out there who have been claiming for 50 years that the Mossad was behind the assassination of President Kennedy.

  2. MikeMa says

    Adler could star in his own reality show Treason in America. I think they should be able to fill several seasons of it with all the loonies out there.

  3. MikeMa says

    @SLC,
    As far as I am aware, Israel has done nothing and Adler is stirring his own bitter brew. Try not to jump to high when reaching conclusions in advance of the facts.

    Adler is one of a growing number of religious nuts of all stripes advocating treason and murder. Lots of homegrown terrorists around. McVeigh & Hassan took their ‘grievances’ to unfortunate heights. Be nice to know that Adler doesn’t have the means or interest to join them, no?

  4. Michael Heath says

    Killing the president is a popular conclusion in many conservative viral emails. I’ve received several, all from conservative Christians who consider themselves not only moral, but morally superior.

    I probably sound like a broken record, but when Ed posts stuff that is clearly nutters, I can immediately reconcile that to rhetoric and advocacy which comes from people society and our media consider an aspect of mainstream America. We’ve always had nutters, what concerns me is how many now join them in their nuttery.

    slc1 – I’d be incredibly embarrassed if I posted an argument like you make @ 1. You can do better. I advise you to consider why the topic of Israel causes the quality of your arguments to go from your normally stellar presentations where we consider the content of your post to instead wondering what causes triggers in your head which have you descending into behavior not exhibited on nearly all other topics.

  5. KG says

    Well, he doesn’t advocate this policy: he just says it must have been “discussed in Israel’s most inner circles”. I don’t think he’s necessarily wrong: we know Mossad is by no means averse to assassination, and it presumably acts at the behest of the Israeli government. The strongest argument against such discussion having taken place is the huge political fallout if it were to come to the attention of the US government: could Netenyahu be absolutely sure no member of his “most inner circles” would not blab?

  6. KG says

    I should make clear I don’t believe Netenyahu would actually order such an assassination in any circumstances I can envisage; but I would not be at all surprised if there exists (for example) an American strategic plan for the assassination of the Prime Minister of the UK, or of Israel: envisaging extreme possibilities and what could be done about them is a favourite pastime of military and “intelligence” people.

  7. says

    Notice that his entire piece derives from an un-cited source, that is, one paragraph without an author’s name from the Jerusalem Post, then he invokes Star Trek and Tom Clancy!

    I just wonder how many of his conspiracy theories involve the CIA, the Illuminati, and those unmarked white vans that go around and around and around.

  8. jjgdenisrobert says

    The word “treason” is bandied about a little too much in this day and age, but I can’t think of an action that comes closer to it than to call for a foreign power to assassinate the duly elected leader of your country, no?

  9. Pierce R. Butler says

    I’m darkly amused by the currently displayed auto-ad from “International Fellowship of Christians and Jews” showing a partial map of Israel marked “(surrounded by enemies)”.

    No doubt the idea that Israel’s policies for the last 64 years have anything to do with the country’s present predicament never occurs in “Fellowship” material. The false trichotomy presented by Adler, in which only the most paranoid options are considered, could serve as Exhibit A7VH90C in demonstrating the kind of “thinking” that causes such problems.

  10. jjgdenisrobert says

    @slc1: Oh go fuck yourself already, will you? This has nothing to do with Israel, but rather with one radical person with ties to Israel entertaining treason against his country.

    The Israelis are far more intelligent than this lout, and would certainly know that assassinating the President would leave them alone amongst enemies. It would end the relationship that exists right now between the US and Israel.

    You really can’t pass up an opportunity to paint any criticism of Israel or of American Likudniks attitude towards it as anti-semitic, it would seem. If an American citizen is more interested in the benefit of a foreign country than of his own, that’s unacceptable, whether that country be Israel, Russia or China. That person should then register themselves as agents of that foreign power and be done with it. Otherwise, if you’re American, your primary allegiance should be to the United States of America, period.

  11. slc1 says

    As predicted, here comes a notorious Israel basher, namely Mr. Butler @ #10, with his blame the victim rational. The fact is that the enemies which surround Israel have been there since its inception and, in 1948, attacked the newly declared state with the purpose of annihilating its inhabitants. The fact is that the only course of action that the Government of Israel could take to mollify its unfriendly neighbors is to agree to go out of business.

  12. raven says

    It’s always predictable that fundies and other extremists have a common solution to any problem.

    It involves a dead body. Or two. Or a few million.

    I suppose when your main hammer is murder, all people in your way look like potential corpses.

    It’s ironic that for the last 2,000 years, a lot of people looked at Jews such as Adler as a problem and had the same, predictable solution. Adler doesn’t seem to have learned anything from the history of his own people.

  13. raven says

    Time for slc1 to get on his favorite hobby horse.

    Not so long ago, he wanted to solve his Moslem problem by dropping nuclear bombs on Iran.

    I suppose when your main hammer is murder, all people in your way look like potential corpses.

    There is no stopping him so we might as well be amused. Hey slc1, why don’t you outline your solution to the Moslem problem? How many nukes will you drop and where. There are around 200 million Moslems in the ME. It’s a target rich environment.

  14. slc1 says

    Re raven @ #14

    Excuse me, I don’t have a Muslim problem, I have an Iran problem. Mr. raven’s extrapolation from Iran to muslims is seriously in error.

  15. KG says

    slc1,

    So you don’t deny that you advocate nuking Iran. That makes you an advocate of mass murder, so you’ve rather abandoned any claim to the moral high ground, even if your opponents in argument were all Nazis.

  16. dingojack says

    SLC – here‘s an Australasian angle on the Isreali/Arab conflict.
    Terroristist and ‘enemy’ or freedom fighter for his people?
    :/ Dingo

  17. slc1 says

    Re KG @ #16

    Not only do I not deny it, I will repeat it. There is nothing wrong with Iran that a half dozen 15 megaton bombs won’t cure.

    Re dingojack @ #17

    Link doesn’t work.

  18. frankniddy says

    slc1,

    A lot of right-wing Zionists regularly accuse Obama of antisemitism. But can you tell me what specifically Obama has done w/r/t Israel that Bush didn’t do? And insulting poor wittle Netanyahu doesn’t count, because insulting an Israeli PM =/= antisemitism.

  19. valhar2000 says

    I suspect he may be getting a visit from the Secret Service soon.

    Is it ilegal to threaten the POTUS in this manner? Wouldn’t they have to prove the he intended to carry out the threat, or, in this case, that he might have had enough influence with the Israeli government to make it happen?

  20. frankniddy says

    Also, slc1, what evidence do you have that Iran is building a nuclear bomb? On one hand, I don’t trust Iranian officials any further than I can throw them, but on the other hand, I certainly don’t trust the hawks, who said we would be greeted with rose petals and palm fronds and treated like liberators in Iraq. BTW, they also way, way, way underestimated the cost of the Iraq War.

  21. valhar2000 says

    As predicted, here comes a notorious Israel basher, namely Mr. Butler @ #10

    In that case, may I suggest that you and Mr. Butler get a room and continue your tryst there?

  22. says

    So apparently the United States exists purely for interests of Israel, and if the US doesn’t spend blood and treasure to fight a war on Israel’s behalf, then Israel reserves the right to kill the American president and “forcefully dictate” what American policy will be to the next one.

    Oh, but it would be anti-semitic to question whether our relationship with Israel makes any sense or is really in our best interests, and whether the pro-Israel lobby has gone just a wee bit overboard.

  23. dingojack says

    Yep, one shouldn’t be anti-semitic. One should support Palesitnians, Berbers, Egyptians and etc.
    :D Dingo

  24. raven says

    Also, slc1, what evidence do you have that Iran is building a nuclear bomb?

    Probably they are. Even likely. So what.

    We’ve never been able to stop anyone who wanted one. That includes Israel, South Africa, North Korea, and Pakistan that we know of.

    We aren’t going to stop Iran if they really want one.

    You can claim that the Iranian government is malevolent and evil. I wouldn’t deny that. OTOH, the North Koreans aren’t real nice or sane people either and Pakistan is a basket case.

  25. Yoritomo says

    I don’t think Adler is “calling for” the assassination of the President by speculating about Netanyahu’s options. But I don’t see how he can honestly believe that such an act would induce the US towards more Israel-friendly policies. If he experiences backlash for bringing up this scenario, he should be able to imagine the backlash Israel would feel if it actually tried to implement it. And it’s not as if the Israelis have a stellar record at keeping their involvement in assassinations a secret, either.
    In short: He’s not necessarily a traitor, but he is dangerously stupid.

  26. frankniddy says

    Eh, there’s a good chance that they are, you’re right about that. And you’re right that we can’t stop them. Frankly, slc1′s plan to murder millions of Iranians because their government is probably working on a bomb is nothing short of monstrous.

  27. Michael Heath says

    frankniddy writes:

    I certainly don’t trust the hawks, who said we would be greeted with rose petals and palm fronds and treated like liberators in Iraq. BTW, they also way, way, way underestimated the cost of the Iraq War.

    Well, there was no formal budget for the War in Iraq. That roughly estimate IIRC was $58 billion. It has been reported as slightly different. The fact we had ample time to consider going to war and didn’t properly vet all aspects, including establishing a budget which Congress approved, is far more unconscionable than missing on a rough cost estimate – precisely because it indicts the Democrats in office which had sufficient power to check the executive.

    And we were initially welcomed by the Iraqis. We had an opportunity to hand over power to the Iraqis and quickly leave. That prediction wasn’t wrong; the Bush Administration’s own incompetency on its Phase IV planning and executive of the war plan led to Iraqi opposition. We had a perfectly viable post-invasion approach developed by our State Dept. and validated in other countries. However Bush, being an incredibly weak and inattentive executive, ignored SECDEF Rumsfeld and VP Cheney seizing control of post-Iraq administration duties from the State Dept. and giving it over to the Defense Dept., who thoroughly mucked things up, especially disbanding the Iraqi Army and not protecting key institutions and infrastructure.

    If State had been allowed to run things autonomously, the odds are very good that estimate of $58 billion would have been accurate.

    I raise this topic because its important we learn from history. When it comes to the Iraqi War a couple of items that should be held paramount is our voting for people who are demonstrably dishonest, cowardly, incompetent, and who prioritize ideology and tribes over results and the country’s interests. We the voters deserve what we get, good and hard.

    Citation – George Packer’s The Assassin’s Gate.

  28. slc1 says

    Re valhar2000 @ #20

    AFAIK, it is illegal to even discuss the assassination of the POTUS. It doesn’t require an actual threat to carry out the assignment.

    Re frankniddy @ #21

    I cannot be held responsible for the crackpot notions of other people. For the record, I am a supporter of President Obama and will be voting for him next November. As Jeffrey Goldberg over at the Atlantic blog network has pointed out, the president has been strongly supportive of Israel and our military cooperation with them has never been higher. I think he made a mistake in being so public in his opposition to the settlement policy of the Government of Israel. This was a topic better suited to quiet diplomacy with carrots and sticks. The only result was to get Bibi’s back up and encourage the Palestinians to make a settlement freeze a requirement for peace talks.

    Re area man @ #23

    Clearly, Mr. Adler is a whackjob (by the way, he has resigned from his position as editor of that newspaper) and has been denounced by every Jewish organization in the US, as he should have been. His addled thoughts in no way, shape, form, or regard represent the views of 99% of the Jewish community in this country. As muddleheaded as Bibi is, I doubt that he would contemplate such an insane act which would almost certainly backfire.

  29. KG says

    I will repeat it. There is nothing wrong with Iran that a half dozen 15 megaton bombs won’t cure. – slc1

    Condemned out of your own keyboard as an evil maniac. What puzzles me is how you think your railing against (real or imagined) antisemitism could possibly have any influence on any person with a spark of decency, when you are genocidal scum.

  30. brocasbrian says

    @ #1

    So a jewish wingnut who actually advocates killing a president is somehow further evidence of anti semitism. wow.

    Criticizing Israel isn’t the same as being anti-semetic. A venn diagram would show an overlap but they are clearly different things. I personally think the state of Israel has gone off the rails. The islamic world is an order of magnitude worse but that doesn’t mean Israel doesn’t contribute it’s share of grief.

  31. davem says

    .. with his blame the victim rational

    You seriously need to look at a 1947 map. Maybe afterwards, even you might see who the actual victims are. Oh, and ‘rationale’ has an ‘e’ at the end of it.

  32. says

    Isn’t Israel much smaller than Iran? So we wouldn’t have to drop nearly as many bombs there to have the same result. Plus it would have the added benefit of making a lot of Muslims love us. …
    I mean as long as we’re talking about randomly nuking innocent people, we may as well do it the most efficiently.

  33. slc1 says

    Re frankdiddy @ #29 & IKG @ #32

    If one want’s to make an omelet, one must break a few egg shells.

    Re davem @ #34

    Just for the information of Mr. davem, the nascent Government of Israel accepted the UN partition plan, the Arabs rejected it and massed their armies to wipe out Israel. Unfortunately for them, they lost and some of the land that was supposed to be allocated to a Palestinian State was lost, as ofter happens when one starts a war and loses. Don’t believe it, just ask Germany which lost WW2 and, as a consequence, lost Eastern Silesia and Pomerania, and East Prussia, i.e. everything east of the Oder/Nisse line.

    Re brocasbrain

    So a jewish wingnut who actually advocates killing a president is somehow further evidence of anti semitism. wow.

    I never made any such statement and Mr. brocasbrain is a disgrace to Carl Sagan.

  34. slc1 says

    Re fifthdentist @ #35

    Of course, such an attack would annihilate several million Palestinians, not to mention collateral damage in Lebanon, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, and Syria so the Arabs might be less appreciative then Mr. fifthdentist imagines.

  35. velociraptor says

    @slc1

    What garbage you spew. You are defending a nation that we support who has conducted (and been caught doing) hostile intelligence gathering operations in the USA. If you care so much about the security of Israel, GTFO and emigrate, and enlist in their army. You may be able to realize your masturbatory fantasy about fighting the Ay-rabs in person, instead of from behind the safety of your monitor.

    Coming soon: Red Dawn: Israel. Starring slc1

  36. exdrone says

    Adler writes:

    in order for the current vice-president to take his place, and forcefully dictate that the United States’ policy includes its helping the Jewish state obliterate its enemies

    Wait. What? Joe Biden? “Forcefully dictate”? This guy truly is a wingnut.

  37. Pierce R. Butler says

    exdrone @ # 40 – Remember the way the (current) Israeli government shat all over Joe Biden’s face when he first tried to deliver them a message of (minuscule) restraint from the US?

    slc1, I had thought of you as salt-lake-city-1, but begin to suspect slaughter-crazy-1 fits better. Since the world generally abhors the man you for no good reason call “Frankenberger”, imagine how they (we) could consider someone whose holocaust, if actuated, would constitute a massacre a full order of magnitude larger.

  38. slc1 says

    Re Pierce R. Butler

    Actually, there is some reason to believe that the Fuhrers’ paternal grandfather might well have been a man named Frankenberger. All we know for sure is that the baptismal certificate for his father, Alois, does not name a father and Alois was christened Alois Schicklgruber, the maiden name of his mother. She eventually married a man named Heidler who changed the family name to Hitler.

  39. dingojack says

    SLC – and what of the world-wide effect of such a ‘simple little war’?
    The effects of even a smallish nuclear war could be bad (nuclear-winter, long-term droughts and species die-offs for example) and the diplomatic effects would be unpredictable and possibly dire.
    If genocide is the answer then you’re asking the wrong question.
    Dingo

  40. KG says

    I’ve come to the conclusion than slc1 is actually a visitor from Stormfront, posting here in an attempt to incite antisemitism. No other explanation appears to cover the facts.

  41. KG says

    Actually, there is some reason to believe that the Fuhrers’ paternal grandfather might well have been a man named Frankenberger. – slc1

    No, there isn’t; and this is in fact a standard antisemitic trope. Further evidence for my hypothesis.

  42. Pierce R. Butler says

    slc1 @ # 42: … there is some reason to believe that the Fuhrers’ paternal grandfather might well have been a man named Frankenberger.

    For a very small (approaching zero) value of “some”. Some of us have tried to set you straight about this before.

    If you can’t manage learning that, how will you ever grasp that 64 years of non-stop belligerence produces negative reactions?

  43. TCC (fka The Christian Cynic) says

    There are a number of falsehoods that SLC has continued to spout every chance he gets (e.g. rumors about Ann Coulter’s birth name & gender), no matter how many times you tell/show him how utterly wrong he is. It’s hardly worth pointing out anymore.

  44. slc1 says

    Re dingojack

    The setting off of 80 megatons of nuclear explosive wouldn’t come close to causing nuclear winter. The former Soviet Union exploded a 57 megaton bomb in the early 1960s that had no discernible effect on the climate. Nor did any of the other H bomb tests in that decade. I don’t recall the exact figure but when Carl Sagan discussed this issue in the early 1980s, he assumed a figure of a minimum of several hundred megatons of nuclear explosions in a nuclear war.

  45. KG says

    slc1 the genocidal maniac,

    While it is indeed unlikely the kind of mass murder you propose would cause a nuclear winter, the Soviet test of 1961 is entirely irrelevant. The proposed mechanism of nuclear winter was the lofting of large quantities of soot into the stratosphere. This would be produced by incinerating cities. The “Tsar bomb” was detonated 4 km above the uninhabited Novaya Zemlya archipelago in the Arctic Circle, and the fireball did not reach the ground. You seem to be as ignorant and stupid as you are vile – yet more evidence for my hypothesis that you are a Stormfront provocateur.

  46. KG says

    slc1 the genocidal maniac,

    You don’t have a “philosophy”, any more than your fellow genocidal maniacs, such as Hitler and Pol Pot. You’re just a genocidal maniac.

  47. dingojack says

    SLC – Possibly the extent of the nuclear winter effect might have to do with where these bombs were detonated. Did any of these nuclear tests occur in built-up areas with plenty of fuel to ignite? Oh that’s right – no, no they didn’t. Deliberately so.

    Strangely, the study of the effects of nuclear conflicts didn’t stop in the 70′s, later work has lowered the threshold for catastrophic harm considerably (I have given a reference to an article in a popular science journal, Scientific American at least twice. Even a layman can understand it, so you should have absolutely no difficulty). Do keep up!

    Dingo
    —–
    PS: “Tsar Bomba (Russian: Царь-бомба) is the nickname for the AN602 hydrogen bomb, the most powerful nuclear weapon ever detonated. …
    Developed by the Soviet Union, the bomb was originally designed to have a yield of about 100 megatons of TNT (420 PJ), but the yield was reduced to 50 megatons in order to reduce nuclear fallout. This attempt was successful, as it was one of the cleanest (relative to its yield) nuclear bombs ever detonated. Only one bomb of this type was ever built and it was tested on October 30, 1961, in the Novaya Zemlya archipelago”.
    Such a detonation created a fire-ball 5km in radius. Had it detonated over, say, Manhattan the radius of conflagration would have been c 47km (anyone live within 29.2mi of NY?) or c 694205.41 hectares/ 2680.3421 sq. miles/1715418.9 acres.
    And how many 15Mt bombs would it take to cause a conflagration of the same size? c 2.19. It doesn’t scale in a linear fashion.
    So how many 15Mt bombs were you planning to use there, Sparky?
    Dingo

  48. KG says

    dingojack,

    Facts don’t matter to a genocidal maniac – slc1′s not going to be satisfied until he hears the agonised screams of all those millions of evil Iranian children.

  49. dingojack says

    Sorry I was in error. c 4.795 x 15Mt ≈ 100Mt, in terms of conflagration area. c 2.704 x 15Mt ≈ 50Mt.
    My apologies.
    Dingo
    —–
    BTW: Case 14 of the TTAPS Report (1983) assumed a total yeild of 100Mt (all airbursts) of 1000 x 100kt warheads over cities. Temperatures at around day 21 would be around 245K (-28 degrees Celsius or -19 Degrees Fahrenheit). Temperatures would recover in about 120 days.
    Source. See Table 1. (page 42), and the diagram on page 46.

  50. Alverant says

    @slc1 #31

    I am a supporter of President Obama and will be voting for him next November.

    Of course the election is THIS November….

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