Conservatives Unload on Newt


It seems that most of the conservative movement and the Republican establishment agrees with what I said the other day about what will happen if Newt wins the Florida primary. Ann Coulter, Tom DeLay, the National Review editors and many more are launching major attacks on Newt. Politico has a taste:

A top conservative media figure said the flood of attacks reflects a “Holy crap, it could happen” moment in the movement, as Republican leaders began to realize after Gingrich’s South Carolina victory that he could become the nominee, the global face and voice of their party and theology.

“It could happen, and it would be a disaster,” said the conservative, who spoke on condition of anonymity to protect private conversations. “All of us who were around and saw how he operated as speaker — there’s no one who’s not appalled by the prospect of what could happen. He thinks he embodies conservatism and if he wakes up one day and has a grandiose thought, he is going to expect all of us to fall in line behind him.

“There’s just so much risk on so many levels,” the official continued. “Everyone’s thinking, ‘It could really happen.’ He could win the presidency if there’s a way to win with 45 percent — a second recession or a third-party candidate. The immediate worry is him winning the nomination and losing the election, tanking candidates down-ballot. In a worst-case scenario, you could see unified Democratic governance, and we’d be back where we were in ’09 and ’10. It’s insane.”

This really is fun to watch.

Comments

  1. The Lorax says

    Santorum is a pile of santorum and the Republicans are turning on Newt.. that makes it Romney vs Obama, if the trend continues.

    I’m not as informed as most of you on here, so I’ll just ask point blank… is this good for the Team of Reason? Or at the very least, the lesser of multiple evils?

  2. markholcombe says

    “Back where we were in ’09 or ’10″?

    You mean the days when the Dems held a non-super majority in Congress and rolled-over giving Repubs everything they wanted? You know, like extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.

  3. brandon says

    Lorax, the best possible thing that could happen to the Democrats is if Santorum or Gingrich is nominated. Obama will probably win the election regardless, but a Romney vs Obama election would be very boring, and voter turn-out will be low. Santorum or Gingrich would enrage the general public enough to get them to turn out in droves, voting for Democratic Congressmen while they’re at it. It might be seen as a national mandate that the extremist Tea Party views are no longer welcome, and the Republicans would move back to a more moderate position. So yeah, I’m sincerely hoping that Gingrich wins this thing.

  4. d cwilson says

    By every standard of conventional wisdom, this primary race should be a walk for Romney. He’s got the organization and the money. Plus, he’s the guy who came in second to McCain in 2008, so based on the rule that the GOP tends to nominate people based on the “it’s his turn” rule, he should be running away with things.

    Instead, he’s struggling. He virtually tied Santorum in Iowa and was handily trounced by Newt in South Carolina. There’s a good possibility that he could lose Florida next.

    Newt wasn’t even supposed to be a factor in this race. The joke on SNL last year was that he had no chance of winning, so the moderator let him cut out of the debate early. The only reason he is even withing spitting distance of the nomination is because the GOP rank-in-file has never warmed up to Romney. One candidate after another has risen and then flamed out, but Newt has held on thanks to SuperPAC money.

    Now we’re in a situation where the base is poised to nominate a candidate despised by the establishment while the establishment is pushing someone the base just doesn’t like.

    The panic has already set in. If Newt looks likely to win the nomination, the establishment will find a way to crush him. All his dirty is going to come out. The problem is, Mittens is such a lightweight that he’ll come out of this with the nomination, but so weakened that he’ll have no chance in November.

  5. d cwilson says

    It might be seen as a national mandate that the extremist Tea Party views are no longer welcome, and the Republicans would move back to a more moderate position.

    Not going to happen. The GOP could nominate Attila the Hun or Torquemada and, when they lost, they’d rationalize it by saying it was because they weren’t a “true conservative”. We’re already at the point where Barry Goldwater and Saint Ron would be too liberal for the GOP is they were alive today. By 2016, Michela Bachmann will look like a moderate.

  6. daved says

    In the latest Quinnipiac University poll, Romney is now leading Gingrich by 38% to 29%. It could be that Newt’s 15 minutes of being not-Romney are ending.

  7. John Hinkle says

    Conservatives Unload on Newt

    That’s a real thigh slapper. I wish I could see Newt’s temper tantrum.

  8. says

    If Romney wins the nomination, but loses to Obama, that will be the second election in a row where Republicans picked the most moderate candidate in the field as their nominee, and then lost.

    That will simply reinforce the notion that what the Republicans need is a fire-brand right wing candidate for President, so the same battle will be fought out again in 2016. Even if the Tea Party’s time is over by then, religious conservatives will still play a major role in the selection process.

    The big difference next time around, and it’s something that could save the establishment Republicans from defeat, is that they will likely have a much stronger field of candidates to choose from than the present sorry lot, since there will be no incumbent Democrat to run against.

    As we’re seeing today, when push comes to shove, the Republicans want a candidate who at least has a chance of beating the Democrats, and will hold their nose and vote for someone more moderate than they would otherwise select. The interesting thing would be if a really charismatic right-winger entered the race, someone who checked all the right-wing boxes, but was still seen as electable in the actual Presidential election.

  9. Reginald Selkirk says

    that makes it Romney vs Obama, if the trend continues.

    Don’t count Santorum out yet – he’ll be right back after he finishes filing his taxes.

  10. Reginald Selkirk says

    … that will be the second election in a row where Republicans picked the most moderate candidate in the field as their nominee, and then lost.
    .
    That will simply reinforce the notion that what the Republicans need is a fire-brand right wing candidate for President…

    That’s one interpretation, and probably the one taken by the wingnuts. Of course there is another interpretation: that they are so far over the edge that they can’t even see the center any more.

  11. jamessweet says

    I’m not as informed as most of you on here, so I’ll just ask point blank… is this good for the Team of Reason? Or at the very least, the lesser of multiple evils?

    I see Brandon already answered your question, but I am more pessimistic about a Romney/Obama contest. Unless the economy somehow miraculously recovers in the next 10 months, I think Romney has a real shot.

    Gingrich getting the nomination, however, is a Democrat’s wet dream. He’s totally unelectable.

  12. Who Knows? says

    I just loved this comment. In a story about Georgia Secretary of States’ birther problem.

    Once upon a time, I knew a couple named GOP and America. He was a little stuffy, a little churchy, and sort of obsessed with business, but he was an okay country club type.

    Then GOP started getting weird…substance abuse, listening to talk radio 24/7, strange conspiracy theories. He started running fast and loose with his money investing in various schemes, and eventually his friend the banker had to forclose on his house. GOP had to move out of the White House and into a trailer in the Deep South.

    So America left him for a black man. And GOP did not take it well. He started going on crying binges, he refused to sign the alimony checks, he started getting paranoid and carrying guns around and did everything he could to break up America and her new black man.

    The funny thing is, if you ask me, America is better off with her new black man. He’s quiet, scholarly, calm, treats her with patience and respect, and truth be told, he’s a better neighbor and family man. – J Throckmorton Malcontent

    Source

  13. LightningRose says

    Florida is not a typical Southern state. Due to the large number of North Eastern retirees in residence, non-Protestant bias is not nearly as pronounced as it is in the rest of the South. This gives Mittens an edge, but only in Florida.

    Santorum is a member of the Whore of Babylon church which makes him poison to the fundie bigots who rule the rest of the Confederacy. It’s true that Gingreich is a member of the same church, but the fundie bigots understand he only joined the WoB church so he could marry the Chicken Lady (KitH reference). This gives Gingreich the advantage in the Southern states that aren’t Florida.

    Looking ahead, Mittens had the potential to do well in California where the votes should count, but unfortunately for the Repuglicans, their Department of Dirty Tricks managed to pass a recent initiative giving any voter the right to vote for any party’s candidate in a primary election. This gives the California Democrats an unprecedented chance to help the Repuglicans choose the most unelectable candidate possible.

  14. Ichthyic says

    You mean the days when the Dems held a non-super majority in Congress and rolled-over giving Repubs everything they wanted?

    to be fair, the author did add:

    “It’s insane!”

    right after mentioning 09…

    ;)

    still, thinking the US would get another chance at a true progressive legislation?

    all of a sudden, I’m rooting for Newt to win Florida…

    besides which, Ann Coulter is attacking him. Surely that’s a great reason in and of itself to hope he’ll win.

    Maybe Ann will finally implode?

  15. Ichthyic says

    they will likely have a much stronger field of candidates to choose from than the present sorry lot, since there will be no incumbent Democrat to run against.

    I’m curious; do you have anyone specific in mind?

    and, I would add, how DOES one go about defining what constitutes a “Strong” candidate in the US any more?

  16. dogmeat says

    Personally I don’t see much chance of the Republicans moving back towards the middle for the next two election cycles. Unlike the Democrat’s move towards the left in the early-mid 80s, the Republicans have an echo chamber that keeps repeating their ridiculous arguments that everyone even a millimeter to the left of them is a radical socialist/communist. I think the establishment Republicans realize that this is a dangerous path to be on, but the inmates are in charge of the asylum. They’ve surrendered too much power to “true believers” and can’t seem to get back into control. Worse yet, the establishment in most ways represents the very 1% that the Occupy movement (and the early Tea Party Movement) rail against.

    Within this echo chamber, the failure of their policies is due to “liberals,” to suggest otherwise is insanity. In its warm, crazy confines, Obama is a radical leftist, Reagan is a deity, tax cuts always pay for themselves, and we’re forever at risk of imminent invasion from someone, anyone. It is critical to buy gold, survival rations, and most important of all, never, ever trust anyone who isn’t on Fox “News,” or a friend of the “true news.” We’re the strongest nation in the world, but we have to be afraid of everyone.

    The scary thing is, it’s also a rather disturbing Catch-22 situation. If they win in November they will implement policies that will utterly cripple our economy, shred our rights, and set our country back another decade, all the while blaming every problem that arises on Obama (much like Carter gets the blame for most of the 6 years of the 70s in which he wasn’t president). If they don’t win in November, they will resort to even more obstructionism and then will scream that the Democrats can’t get anything done.

    Sadly, we’re stuck with one shitty party and one crazy party. I have to wonder if my frustration is an echo of similar frustration felt by a Roman in the 5th century…

  17. freemage says

    I agree that a Newt or Santorum primary victory would be a dramatic shoo-in for Obama.

    But my concern is that having the nutjobs as the second-placers means that when Romney finally wins it, he has to kowtow to the Tea Party even more. I see no danger of an election leading us to a President Newt. But I can envision the possibility of a Secretary of State Santorum, or even a VP Gingrich.

  18. otrame says

    I think the establishment Republicans realize that this is a dangerous path to be on

    Yeah, but I think they may have only just realized that they let it go too far. Their frantic behavior recently suggests they suddenly looked around and saw that the nut cases had gained entirely too much power. Here they have a great “what’s good for business is what’s good for business” candidate and the silly rank-and-file are balking at voting for him because they don’t like his religion. After stressing how important having the right religion is, they seem to have just realized that their base actually believes that shit. They’ve spent years talking about “values” and now are finding out that they’ve energized some people whose “values” demand that their candidate have the right religion.

    I’m enjoying this. I said 6 or 7 years ago that they were going to regret pandering to the least intelligent and/or most insane part of their party and see?

    I think Romney will get it and that Obama will beat him, but I expect some nail biting along the way.

  19. coragyps says

    “the possibility of a Secretary of State Santorum”

    My gag reflex is usually pretty hard to provoke, but……

  20. scenario says

    In their desperation they turned to a man they didn’t fully understand. Some men aren’t looking for anything logical. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

  21. dingojack says

    Conservatives Unload on Newt

    Well well – a Republican ‘circle jerk’ puts Newtie in a sticky situation!
    :D Dingo
    ——
    Sorry, sorry I apologise unreservedly (but it really had to be said).
    Now I’m off to take out my brain, put it in a container & bleach it.
    (Where’s that thimble got to?)

  22. StevoR says

    Well I hate to say it but I actually liked what Newt had to say on the moonbase and future human – USA – return to the Moon. I can’t stand Newt himself but what he said there is correct in my view.

    He won’t win though most likely gunna be Romney Vs Obama with Obama winning easily in 2012.

    But honestly, Obama has been disappointing, Mitts a relative moderate whose eklection could clam things down politically, maybe and Gingrich’s Lunar return plan souds good so of the three most likely each has their good ‘n’ bad points and none of them are exactly ideal or what I’d hope for.

  23. StevoR says

    @5. d cwilson says:

    By 2016, Michela Bachmann will look like a moderate.

    YIKES!!

    Surely, surely, not!

  24. StevoR says

    @ ^ Maybe in 2016 Romney will look like a radical far right-winger. I mean we can hope things areswinging back towards sanity can’t we?

    The pharyngulated polls tell me so after all!

  25. abear says

    amadan@29; I think they are all working for Bain Capital or some other entity that appreciates their looting and pillaging skills.

  26. says

    “It could happen, and it would be a disaster,” said the conservative, who spoke on condition of anonymity to protect private conversations.

    And there’s the problem: people like Gingrich get as far as they do because the more sensible Republicans only speak the truth in private conversations, and never allow said conversations to go public when they should.

    These asshats have been pandering to the loony right since 1980 (at least), then kowtowing to them since 2000, and now they’re all comically surprised to find the loony right are in charge of their party.

    Fuck the whole lot fo them. None of them are fit to govern Luxembourg, let alone the USA.

  27. says

    By 2016, Michela Bachmann will look like a moderate.

    She already does. All she has to do is let some other loon hog the spotlight, and hey presto, she looks moderate.

  28. coryat says

    abear @ #30:

    Brilliant. You win one internet.

    Whenever I see Newt I think of Nixon’s head and it’s run for the presidency of earth in Futurama – I can imagine Newt being caught on tape saying:

    “Computers may be twice as fast as they were in 1973 but your average voter is as drunk and stupid as ever. The only one who’s changed is me. I’ve become bitter, and let’s face it, crazy over the years. And once I’m swept into office, I’ll sell our children’s organs to zoos for meat. And I’ll go into people’s houses at night and wreck up the place! Muhuhahahaha!”

    http://www.gotfuturama.com/Multimedia/EpisodeSounds/2ACV03/

    short audio clip at #16. on page worth listening to for full effect!

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